Marshae Jones: Woman Charged With Manslaughter For Suffering Miscarriage After Getting Shot

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  1. OhTall1

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    This seems like it should be in The Onion...

    Woman Charged With Manslaughter for Suffering Miscarriage After Getting Shot
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    On Wednesday, 27-year-old Birmingham, Alabama resident Marshae Jones was indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury for manslaughter, AL.com reported. Her alleged crime? In 2018, Jones, who was five months pregnant at the time, was shot in the stomach, resulting in a miscarriage. Jones will reportedly be transferred to the Jefferson County Jail and held on a $50,000 bond.

    Police say the shooting occurred in December during a dispute between Jones and another woman, 23-year-old Ebony Jemison, over the man who impregnated Jones. At the time of the shooting, police alleged that Jones started the argument and that Jemison shot her in self-defense. Shockingly, Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time, “The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby. It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.”

    Reid reiterated his contempt for Jones and total disregard of the emotional and physical pain she suffered in the ordeal, saying, “Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here. She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.”

    The ultimate goal of the anti-abortion movement is to define fetuses as humans with full constitutional rights — a concept known as “fetal personhood.” Already, 29 states have “feticide” laws on the books, which make it equivalent to murder to end a pregnancy at any point (outside of legal abortion). And overzealous prosecutors in states like Alabama and Indiana are acting on this, investigating women who’ve suffered miscarriages for “murder” or “manslaughter” on the suspicion as they intentionally harmed the fetus. As the New York Times points out, this allows for a dystopian reality in which any pregnancy loss is a potential crime, in which “a pregnant woman would cease to exist as an autonomous person. Her womb would become a legal battleground.”

    Under the logic of fetal personhood, women have been prosecuted for miscarrying after car accidents and suicide attempts, and even for taking Valium while pregnant and going on to deliver a perfectly healthy baby. Women of color are disproportionately the subjects of this state scrutiny; what happened to Jones is sadly not an anomaly. As Amanda Reyes, executive director of the Yellowhammer Fund, an abortion fund in Alabama, put it: “Today, Marshae Jones is being charged with manslaughter for being pregnant and getting shot while engaging in an altercation with a person who had a gun. Tomorrow, it will be another black woman, maybe for having a drink while pregnant. And after that, another, for not obtaining adequate prenatal care.”
     
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    Who did Charlemagne wind up giving Donkey of the day to?
     
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    And so it begins . . . .
     
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    Over a freakin man.....

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    Pretty much.

    . Shockingly, Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time, “The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby.

    Women who support or expressed apathy towards anti abortion measures didn't read the fine print of letting the men regulate their wombs for them. I keep telling ya'll babies are commodities with a monetary value whether it sounds good or not.
     
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    This is horrible
     
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    Granted she shouldn’t have been fighting while pregnant, the fact that she was shot in the stomach all five times sounds more personal than basic self defense.
     
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    The fact that this story hasn't shook black women across social media let's me know folks don't realize the poop storm has arrived and is raining directly on our heads.
     
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    She could shot her in the arm or leg, but no she went straight for that baby- defending herself. :rolleyes:

    All over a no account man who probably already has another chick pregnant for him.
     
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    Funny thing is, that helpless unborn baby would have been born and grown into first a young black child and then a black adult that this officer obviously doesn't care about anyway. Only in the womb can a black person get "justice" it seems. This whole situation is unreal.

    What happened to the shooter?
     
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    What in the world. So you telling me she going to jail cause SHE got shot in the stomach while pregnant and her baby died. She didn't shoot herself somebody else did. Their logic for her going to jail doesn't make any sense. She is a victim, who cares if she started the fight.
     
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    She needs a good lawyer.
     
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    It happens ALL.THE.TIME. People act like they care about the child who would eventually become an adult. No, they care about the unborn. There are thousands and thousands of children in the utmost extreme form of dysfunctional households and the same people who claim they care about the unborn do not give a care in reality.
     
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    The shooter was released after the grand jury refused to indict her. Grand jury said pregnant lady was the aggressor and kept trying to fight the shooter. Grand jury says the pregnant lady should have tried to remove herself from the altercation but instead she put herself and her child in harms way and started the fight.
     
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    They lack empathy. They could have just brought her up on assault charges but anyone would empathy would say "hmm... she lost her child. Maybe that's more than enough?". Instead they did neither and sought to throw the book at her using the highest possible charges.

    Sometimes when I hear/read about the injustices we face during police shootings, arrests and just in the legal system at large I wonder what do they really see when they see us. What goes through their minds when they make these choices?
     
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    The fact that Alabama is a predominantly black state and the government is trying to shut down planned parenthood and get rid of abortion services should have black women shaking. A lot of employers aren’t paying for estrogen therapy treatments that work well for women anymore either. The Depo shot and Mirena is expensive out of pocket. They might pay for pills still, since women aren’t consistent with taking them..
    they are trying to choices and options away from away from women. And that means keep them barefoot and pregnant, basically turning women back into dependents.
     
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    So they will have a prisoner now? Gotta increase the prison population somehow....
     
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    They don’t care about the unborn. They care about making sure the person stays in an oppressed state of life and being.
     
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    I have my own conspiracy theory, regarding this anti-abortion nonsense, but I’ll refrain.
     
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    I'm inclined to believe the anti-abortion movement is based on efforts to replenush the white race not to protect Black babies...the browning of America is a real threat for many
    I doubt that Black women are' factored into the equation...so they'll likely be the only ones criminalized...Alabama is setting the precedent it seems..
     
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    I think black women being forced to have unwanted children is an incentive, as well. I believe everybody is factored into the equation for various reasons.
     
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    Come On Share it.

    I was talking to my brother and he said he thinks these anti abortion laws are because the generation of millennials are not getting married nor having babies as much as the previous generations. These anti abortion laws are a way to force women to have children. Women are more independent then ever and are seeing that marriage and having babies are not necessary to live full and meaningful lives, but the government doesn’t like that. I read an article that said politicians appeal to families if there aren’t that many families out there, it will be hard for them to appeal to individuals with unique ideas, personalities and lifestyles. It’s also harder to create polices and laws that center around families if there aren’t any. This antiabortion nonsense is all a stint to keep the family unit intact, but it’s stupid, it’s just going to create a whole bunch of single family households, but I guess to them it’s a win becuase technically it’s still a family.
     
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    I agree with the bold but I also think we are factored into the equation more than people think. Black women will be forced to have more children with less support which will keep black people poor and under the thumb of white people OR we can go to prison for illegal abortions or out of our control miscarriages which will still keep us under the thumb of white people. I agree that the original idea was probably how they can gain power but that is never a conversation you have without wondering how to keep your competition under you. Trust and believe they are thinking equally long and hard about how they benefit and how we don't when making these decisions. If there were more benefits to us there would be some rethinking.
     
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    I finally realized what they see when it happened to me in the corporate setting and I literally broke down sobbing into FH’s arms. I will never forget that day. I went to counseling. We’re not humans. :sad:
     
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    This isn’t about keeping black women barefoot and pregnant, it’s a way to create a bw specific pipeline to prison because the need for labor at $0.23/hr isn’t being met by just the bm population.
     
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    Supposedly she didn’t shoot the woman intentionally in the stomach. She shot a warning shot into the ground. The bullet ricocheted off the ground and hit the pregnant woman in the stomach. I’m guessing that story was easy to prove which is why the first woman did not get charged.

    The whole thing sets a dangerous standard. If you run a red light and get into a car accident can you be charged if you miscarry? Or if you don’t follow doctor’s orders and go on bed rest can you be charged? The whole idea is insane.


    ETA: This is why the guns equal courage idea needs to die. Scared people obtaining guns and ready to shoot at any provocation is a bad look.
     
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    Idk y'all. While there's has always been a push to keep black women oppressed, I feel like this isn't the person to cape for. Even if she didn't get shot, this woman put herself in harm's way, meaning in that moment she was ok with her baby being harmed.

    Did she not know she was pregnant? If that the case my pov would be different.

    On the broader topic, this is definitely a case of unnecessary harsher penalties and racism.
     
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    Yeah, I don't get the whole mentality that she put herself in harm's way. People are acting like she went skydiving or robbed a bank. Yeah, she was arguing with someone but the idea that any reasonable person would consider a verbal disagreement as endangering yourself seems like a stretch.
     

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