Discussion in 'Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion' started by sweetpeadst, Jan 31, 2011.
I’m about to start doing that. I forget stuff too easily
Have any of you ladies dealt with breakage in the middle of your hem line? I have an issue where my hair breaks in the middle but is longer on the sides, kinda like a W:
20190707_174221 (2) Resized by Divah97 posted Jul 27, 2019 at 9:41 PM
I just trimmed my hair in that picture (well really, my sister did) but it's still so prominent to me and I really dont like it. And it was worse prior to the trim. I always have to trim which is stunting my progress. Any idea on what it could be? Since I've discovered curl activators, I think that'll help me with dryness and breakage but I know there's more to it. Any suggestions?
It could be quite a few things.
1. If you sleep on the back of your head
2. If the hair is a lot coarser, drier, or finer in that area
3. Not being able to see that area well enough to either part, or apply product correctly
4. Not being able to detangle that part properly
5. Using a certain amount of tension or manipulation that’s just enough to cause damage to that area.
These are just a few, but I notice this happens to a lot of people, including myself.
I've been growing out my W for as long as I've been on my hhj. In my case the hair in this area is finer, less dense and stops higher than the rest of my nape's hairline.
I take care of it by making sure the area is moisturized. I also apply JBCO every night. I make sure my scarf knot doesn't rest in the center and that any style doesn't put a lot of tension on this area.
It's the longest it's ever been but I don't know if the hair in the area will ever catch up to the rest of my head. In fact, a major reason why I'm not relaxed bone straight is knowing that my W would be more obvious and I wouldn't want to keep trimming back to maintain an even shape.
my hairline in the back
Still less dense in the middle but I've made peace with it for now. If my hair is relatively straight I just wear ponytails, buns or a half up half down style that gathers the hair that's down so the W is less noticable.
Me too haha. I actually created a calendar in google calendar called hair tings so it’s easy to go back in history like relaxers, color, trims etc
I was moisturizing my hair and was like “hmm, I wonder how it looks twisted.” Long story short, I ended up twisting my whole head lol and it stayed twisted. Only thing is, there are no parts and the twists are all different sizes.
Oh well I’m still wearing them, I just need a headband or something.
I really like this version of my texlaxed hair.
Sista Planet, Imma need you to splain the wet/damp bunning to HL process that worked so well for you ma'am. Please and thank you. And don't leave anything out.
Well yes ma’am! I’m currently doing a few errands, but I will have an in-depth view a bit later this afternoon! Stay tuned!
Okay so @MzSwift has kindly requested I share all of my info regarding how I went from roughly neck/shoulder length to Hip length with the use of wet/damp bunning.
Here’s a few comparison pictures:
As soon as I was able to pull my hair back into a low bun, I started bunning my hair daily
Starting off at that length, after about two years or so I made it to hip length
Here’s a more In Depth breakdown on my daily, weekly, and monthly routine I had:
Washing: back then I would strictly co-wash. Rarely did I use actual shampoo or some sort of cleanser. Maybe every 2-3 weeks would I use a shampoo. I co-washed usually every day, or every other day.
Bunning: When I would bun, starting from the first picture around neck/shoulder length I would bun when my hair was very damp, or more towards the wetter side. So I would co-wash , then keep a towel on head for maybe 10 mins, and then bun. So my hair was mostly wet when I would bun, and I’d keep it up/secured with a cotton scrunchie. If it came down I’d just re-do it. So I would note that the wetter your bun is the more potential it will have to come apart repeatedly.
BSL to MBL:
This is where I started bunning on more damp hair versus wet hair. This is also where I kind of backed off co-washing to maybe 2-3 times a week. But I would still have my hair damp.
Spritzing: I would take whatever conditioner I had on deck, dilute it with some water and spritz down my hair. Not until it was soaking wet, but not damp to the point of being almost dry. With this method my buns stayed secured better, and I could stretch my co-washes a bit longer.
****Note: I also wasn’t sealing when I would spritz. I would just dampen my hair, bun it, and go. However, I would make sure my hair was damp enough to where I only had to spritz once a day.
WL to Hip:
At this point I started co-washing frequently again. So I stopped spritzing altogether. But my drying method changed up. By this time I would co-wash either every day or every other day, but I would let my hair air-dry to maybe 75-80% dry and then bun. So my hair was a lot drier versus when it was shorter. However with this method my hair would inevitably dry quicker somewhere later during the day. I wouldn’t re-dampen it, I would just wait until the next morning when I shower, co-wash again, and then do the same thing. Since I was co-washing pretty much daily, I didn’t feel the need to re-dampen.
Thoughts and Tips:
> Concerning deep conditioning, I didn’t deep condition at all during those years because I was giving myself moisture on a frequent basis and completely hydrating my hair
> The one thing I should’ve given more attention to was protein. With all the moisture, and my hair being in a more fragile state as a relaxed head, protein was needed to keep that excess stretching away.
In these pictures you can see how my hemline was suffering due to the lack of protein:
Once I got passed BSL you can see where my hemline started thinning:
> Depending on how frequently you co-wash will determine the way your add protein to your hair. If you do-wash or damp bun less frequently, you can do an actual full protein treatment and rinse, but if you co-wash or damp bun daily, I’d suggest getting your protein more frequently in the form of leave-ins or using a protein treatment and turning it into a spray on protein treatment. So if you’re damp bunning daily, I’d say to have most if not all of your leave-ins be protein based.
> Manipulation: I would honestly suggest to just not manipulate your hair. At all. Detangle once, bun, and then leave your hair alone. Remember, wet hair is fragile.
> Try to keep your buns secure, but not tight.
>Sealing is completely up to you by the way, I just chose not to.
> If you’re going to bed with damp hair, try to pineapple or top knot bun. It’s very easy to sleep directly on your bun and cause tangles or knots that even the next co-wash doesn’t completely untangle or get rid of.
> when bunning, opt for a cinnamon bun
And then secure with a scrunchie AFTER you’ve finished the bun. It may take a while to get it down, but it’s just one big Bantu knot.
Instead of tying the scrunchie at the base like you would a ponytail like this:
Doing it the second way puts tension on that area of hair, even more so when it’s damp, and taking it out can also cause snapped hairs.
Doing it the cinnamon bun way, keeps the tension from the scrunchie off of the base, and instead secures the entire bun evenly. Takedown is a lot easier and less damaging as well, but if you don’t have enough length then doing it the second way is fine, but as soon as you have enough length to do it the cinnamon bun way, switch to that as soon as you can.
>Relating to the above post, try to find scrunchies that are small enough to where you don’t have to loop them at all. Sometimes you have to loop a scrunchie two or three times to secure the hair, but with doing this you risk breakage and more tension. Finding a small enough scrunchie to where you can just put it over your bun and not loop it saves your damp hair from any unnecessary tension.
> I opted for cotton or satin lined fluffy scrunchies over the more rubber band like and harder/thinner scrunchies. Cotton ones or satin lined ones were just way more gentler and held my hair up better.
>If you’re using a cotton scrunchie, dampen it with some water or conditioner, so it doesn’t suck any moisture from your hair in certain parts.
•Whatever your hair likes is what you should use. I’d steer clear of glycerin if you live in an arid climate with not a lot of humidity, and opt for an oil or a heavy moisturizer so you can put over your damp or wet hair.
•BTMS based products are my personal favorite for co-washing
•ORS hair lotion is also a good moisturizing type of Sealant.
• For all of the Shea Butter sisters, damp bunning is a perfect opportunity to apply a light coating of Shea Butter to ensure the dampness and moisture stays put in the hair throughout the day.
This is all the info I managed to gather, but if you have anymore specific questions, please feel free to ask!
Hope this was detailed enough.
When I first came here in 2009, I was natural and so many relaxed long haired ladies grew their hair from SL to MBL and beyond by wet/damp bunning. In fact, when I initially textlaxed, my plan was to wet bun to HL but I got hair lazy.
Thank you so much for not only sharing your journey but also your tips! The ladies I saw used to alternate between cowashing with a protein condish and moisturizing condish. I may try that too. I've also fallen off on my DCing. I may incorporate overnight DCing before I cowash as it will fit into my laziness well.
Thanks again, sis! I know it takes a lot of time to put together such a long, informative post.
@PlanetCybertron I thought of your post as I picked up a cheap bottle of suave conditioner to co wash with today. I'm damp bunning right now actually. I'm gonna give it a try for a little while and see what happens. Thank you for sharing!!
How would you describe your hair porosity?
My hair porosity is through the roof. Only parts of my hair that are lower in porosity are right at the roots, or my new growth when I’m stretching. But from my ears to the ends of my hair it’s very high porosity.
The last 5-6 inches of hair soak up whatever I put on them, so I just try to coat them as much as I can.
I have to drop this right here for my relaxed ladies as well. I read this article the other day about a water based amino acid treatment for the hair. It's apparently a Korean thing. I'm super intrigued.
@PlanetCybertron thank you!
I'm going to add your techniques to my routine. I can especially see wet/ damp bunning during the week. After morning workouts, I can cowash, airdry a little and wear a wet bun to work.
@Divah97 in my case, I have a bad habit of always sleeping in two knots.
By separating my hair nightly, I know that contributes to my 'W'.
Gotta do better....
I was so intrigued by @PlanetCybertron's post, that I tried out a scrunchie-free bun on my short hair.
I combed all my hair back, split in 4 sections, and pinned each section to form a bun. Secured and pinned a hair net on top and took a pic.
Bun is puny for now, but I can see doing this when my hair is looking again.
I'm so over my natural hair. I don't ever wear it out because it ages me. I'm ready to relax again. How did you handle going from natural to relaxed? Did you self relax or go to the salon? What product would you recommend for a fine strand cottony sista?
^^salon for the virgin relaxer.
Protein and no direct heat.
Moisture of course but we instinctively have that part. Just know you fine hair needs protein and maybe tea rinses?
But with relaxed hair - no / minimum flat ironing-blow drying
I was absolutely excited about going from natural to texlaxed again. So excited that after I texlaxed, I barely PSd and wore my hair out almost everyday. I wore braidouts almost everyday. I also like doing cowashed ponytails. I did enough to maintain but had lost some length bc I was tired of hiding it all of the time. So I went from WL to hovering around MBL for the first few years after I texlaxed. But even that was longer hair than I'd had my whole life! So I enjoyed it.
Immediately, wetting and styling my hair in the shower became infinitely easier. I could cowash and put my hair into a braided ponytail while in the shower. When I was natural, the water would get cold before I could do that. For braidouts, my wash day turned into wash DAYS and then my style may or may not last after all of that work.
I self relaxed bc I was too afraid of someone else messing me up and I had read so much on here. I went to old threads from around 2007-2010 when we had an abundance of long haired relaxed ladies on here and learned as much as I could. I looked for tips that overlapped, where lots of ladies said that particular tip was a part of their regi. As a natural, I'm sure you've applied conditioner to your hair in sections. If you can do that, you can totally self relax. Some of us pre-part our hair before relaxing so that way we can relax a lot faster. That may not apply to you for the first relaxer but it'll make your touch ups so much easier.
I'm a fine stranded, cottony sista too! My best advice is to find a style you like that's low manipulation and do a weekly light protein tx. I also added a leave in protein (Infusium 23) into my nighttime M&S every other day or so. I have no verdict on whether or not weekly blow dry/flat iron is bad. I've seen ladies grow long hair with weekly wash, DC and blow out/flat iron.
I chose lye over no-lye bc as I understood it, LYE is harder on the scalp but easier on the hair. And NO-LYE is easier on the scalp but harder on the hair. I figured I could just base my scalp properly and take the risk for one day every 3-4 months instead of spending months adjusting my regi bc of mineral deposits. HOWEVER, you'll see there are many ladies on here whose hair loves no-lye. There's no way to know until you start relaxing. And lots of ladies have switched between the two for touchups.
GL to you whatever you decide!! We're here for support!
I would research a salon and go there for your virgin relaxer like @Lymegreen said.
BUT, @MzSwift brings up an excellent point about reading through older threads here. I learned so much when I found this site in 2008. I was almost full MBL before my setback. I know I'll get there again thanks the long haired relaxed ladies who laid the foundation.
Thank you @sunnieb @MzSwift and @Lymegreen
I've self relaxed in the past and honestly, my hair performs better in a relaxed state. On its own, it just curls and tangles, even with the most delicate regimen.
I was so trying to grow my natural hair out to get another Gina Curl, but I am so fed up with my short 4b hair that I'm even ready to relax!
Now that I'm back to heavy M&S'ing at night, my daily bun needs work. Here's me right now:
My ends are moist and sealed to the gawds and that makes bunning a challenge. With short hair and limp ends I'm having to think of ways to bun and not look ridiculous.
Work in progress....
Looks good to me, Bun Master!
I'm 3 weeks in these mini braids/twists and almost 7 weeks post relaxer. After next week, I'll either redo them or get it ready for wigs/crochet.
My friends know that I did not come to play, I came to slay! They don't even all why I don't wear my hair out. I will rock a bun of some sort 95% of the time for the rest of my life if that means I'll have healthy, booty length hair.
I am so over wearing my hair down. I just want the HAIR!
Finished converting my micro braids into small plaits last night. I plan to rock these in a bun with a yoga headband. I have been sleeping in a baggied bun. I'm hoping this will help with retention. I pulled my nape area down out of curiosity and it's reaching my bottom rib. I'm interested in seeing what kind of retention I'll have at the EOTY.
I plan to cleanse and use this water amino acid tx. Kinda nervous because I don't like to play around with different products. But my hair loves that baking soda/amino acid DC that I mix up at times and a 10 second tx is right up my lazy alley. Fingers crossed!
I've been cowashing about twice a week and damp bunning every day by spiritzing my hair with water and applying Care Free Curl Gold curl activator. Between that and cowashing with Tresemme moisture rich (this stuff is amazing!!) my hair feels great. Honestly and truly. When my semester starts up at the end of the month I will throw in some box braids.
YES, YES, YES!! Since 2017, I bun 99.9% of the time; whereas previously, I wore my hair out most days. I like buns now and my hair is healthy and flourishing. Buns, a headband, & pearl earrings….I'm good.
That has been one of my staples since I texlaxed in 2014! Love it and it smells good!