sex before marriage
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vevster
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YuNg said:
Will you go to hell if you have sex before marriage. Also if you have sex before marriage with one person you plan on marrying when the time is right will god accept you?
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Good Question!
What about if you have a child before you are ready to financially and mentally support a child? To me that is a worse crime than having protected sex before marriage.
YuNg said:
Will you go to hell if you have sex before marriage. Also if you have sex before marriage with one person you plan on marrying when the time is right will god accept you?
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Good Question!
What about if you have a child before you are ready to financially and mentally support a child? To me that is a worse crime than having protected sex before marriage.
cybra
New Member
Fornication (sex without being married) is a sin...but not a sin you cannot be forgiven over. However, to paraphase I Cor. 7:9, it tells us that if a single man and woman cannot abstain from having sex, it is better for them to marry than to burn. I Cor.6:18 also says, paraphrasing, that when we committ fornication, we sin against our own body. In my opinion, women confirm this last scripture. We love with our whole heart, body, and soul when we truly care about someone. However, if we break up with that person, we are devastated because we have given him a part of ourselves that we can never get back. Once it occurs, for many women they go around trying to regain that void they now feel, and end up losing even more of themselves on what I call "false love."
No one can understand God's love, grace, and mercy. So, to say that you will go to hell if you have sex before marraige, would be an opinion. To be honest with you, I had sex before I married my husband, and I truly believe that I will go to heaven when my life is over.
One thing I would suggest for you to do, if you have a church home, go find a Christian woman, that you trust and ask her to be your "accountability partner." This is just someone who will touch base with you from time to time to see how you are doing in your spiritual walk, pray with you when you are going through trials, and will be an ear for you when you need someone to talk to about decisions you are debating. I have one and she has kept me accountable for my actions and Christian walk for years.
Pray about it and let God direct you...He made you, He knows all about you, and it is He alone that knows what is best for your life.
God bless
No one can understand God's love, grace, and mercy. So, to say that you will go to hell if you have sex before marraige, would be an opinion. To be honest with you, I had sex before I married my husband, and I truly believe that I will go to heaven when my life is over.
One thing I would suggest for you to do, if you have a church home, go find a Christian woman, that you trust and ask her to be your "accountability partner." This is just someone who will touch base with you from time to time to see how you are doing in your spiritual walk, pray with you when you are going through trials, and will be an ear for you when you need someone to talk to about decisions you are debating. I have one and she has kept me accountable for my actions and Christian walk for years.
Pray about it and let God direct you...He made you, He knows all about you, and it is He alone that knows what is best for your life.
God bless
NubianAngel
New Member
I don't think that there is any one answer to the question because people tend to vary in their religious beliefs and interpretations of the Bible.
I think fornication is a sin...but we can be forgiven..Now constantly intentionally fornicating <thinking it's okay because I'll just ask for forgiveness afterwards> is a different story.....
"However, if we break up with that person, we are devastated because we have given him a part of ourselves that we can never get back. Once it occurs, for many women"
they go around trying to regain that void they now feel, and end up losing even more of themselves on what I call "false love."
We feel like that because of soul ties... we lose apart of our soul< our souls are tied> to everyone that we have intercourse with..and that it why it is sometimes so hard for us to "let go" afterwards... <I even had a prayer of deliverance to break soul ties>... which is probably why fornication is a sin because our souls should only be tied to our spouses because we are supposed to be as one.
"However, if we break up with that person, we are devastated because we have given him a part of ourselves that we can never get back. Once it occurs, for many women"
they go around trying to regain that void they now feel, and end up losing even more of themselves on what I call "false love."
We feel like that because of soul ties... we lose apart of our soul< our souls are tied> to everyone that we have intercourse with..and that it why it is sometimes so hard for us to "let go" afterwards... <I even had a prayer of deliverance to break soul ties>... which is probably why fornication is a sin because our souls should only be tied to our spouses because we are supposed to be as one.
The bible was changed soo many times that i dont know what to believe. Sex is supposedly a sin but i think if you love that person and you know you will be with that person for the rest for your life instead of sleeping around .. i dont know. Legal papers just make the difference
I think the problem is that too many people try to change the Bible to suit their own situations...Fornication is a sin period....doesn't matter if you love the person and plan to get married...if that was the case it would've been included in the bible...
just like stealing is a sin period...doesn't matter if your kids have been starving for 2 weeks and they need food or they will die... MAn always tries to justify his actions but sin is sin period. I won't go as far as to say you will go to hell because of fornication because there are a lot of factors involved...repentance, forgiveness, salvation, etc...but I do think if you die and are still living in sin,,, or the rapture takes place and you are living in sin then you will most definitely go to hell.
just like stealing is a sin period...doesn't matter if your kids have been starving for 2 weeks and they need food or they will die... MAn always tries to justify his actions but sin is sin period. I won't go as far as to say you will go to hell because of fornication because there are a lot of factors involved...repentance, forgiveness, salvation, etc...but I do think if you die and are still living in sin,,, or the rapture takes place and you are living in sin then you will most definitely go to hell.
butterfly7
Active Member
Wow. We've been down this road a time or two.
Yes. Fornication is a sin and the Bible says with no confusion that fornicators will not enter the kindom of heaven. The only alternative is hell.
If you have sex with someone that you are not married to, you are fornicating. It doesn't matter how much you love them or if you "plan" to be with them forever. God is clear about how He feels about this. The reason sex is so enjoyable is because God created it. He created it, however, for man and wife.
If a woman and her husband have a baby before they are financially ready, it may not be smart, but it's not a sin. On the other hand, if a nonmarried person has a baby (whether or not they are financially ready) they have committed a sin. The sin, still, is having sex before marriage, not having a baby.
God is truly a loving and forgiving God and He will forgive you if you sin. But to live in sin or to continue to commit a sin knowingly separates you from God.
Yes. Fornication is a sin and the Bible says with no confusion that fornicators will not enter the kindom of heaven. The only alternative is hell.
If you have sex with someone that you are not married to, you are fornicating. It doesn't matter how much you love them or if you "plan" to be with them forever. God is clear about how He feels about this. The reason sex is so enjoyable is because God created it. He created it, however, for man and wife.
If a woman and her husband have a baby before they are financially ready, it may not be smart, but it's not a sin. On the other hand, if a nonmarried person has a baby (whether or not they are financially ready) they have committed a sin. The sin, still, is having sex before marriage, not having a baby.
God is truly a loving and forgiving God and He will forgive you if you sin. But to live in sin or to continue to commit a sin knowingly separates you from God.
loverofnaps71
New Member
I'm here to tell you that I made a covenant with God to save myself until marriage. I am 31 soon to be 32. I remained a virgin until I was 28 years old. I got duped by the devil and did not listen to God and had sex with a man who was not holy at all. I was not spiritually clean. However, I am now working on that part of my life. I've been celebate for over 2 years and I want to remain that way. I am not dating; I am preparing myself for marriage. But I am also working on me, striving to become the Proverbs 31 woman that God wants me to be..."A Wife of Noble Character." God DOES forgives but He wants us to repent of our sins. No, you will NOT go to hell if you fornicate. However, we all must change our lives and ways and strive to be the best that God wants us to be. Remember, He loves us and wants us to be happy, not miserable. It's up to us to choose the right way. We WILL sin and continue to fail in our fleshy state, but God understands that we must strive to be the best, live for Him and avoid the temptation that gives birth to sin...and sin gives birth to death. Avoid those situations that breed temptation...that leads to sin. We'll be just fine. With faith, anything is possible...
Stay beautifully blessed, ya'll!
Stay beautifully blessed, ya'll!
Supergirl
With Love & Silk
Hi Five to you Lover of Naps! By the way, I love naps too (but I'm talking about the kind you take on a Sunday afternoon
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Now, to answer the question
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT perish, but have everlasting life.
Now, to answer the question
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should NOT perish, but have everlasting life.
Supergirl..are you saying that it's okay to sin as long as you believe in Jesus....? As Christians we do and will still sin but you have to repent and turn away from that sin...You can't keep indulging in intercourse with the intentions of asking for forgiveness afterwards...just like one couldn't keep going out sleeping with other people's spouses saying "oh it's okay..I'll just ask for forgiveness afterwards." ...< <one would be willfully disobeying God> Repentance is a Godly sorrow and a turning away from that behavior. <if the same behavior is being repeated over and over again I would have to question the sincerity of the repentance.> In order to inherit eternal life you have to be willing to give up the world.. If it was a simple as accepting Jesus as our lord and savior and still constantly indulging in the same sinful behaviors as we did before we were saved...what have you really given up...Yes, God is forgiving, merciful, and Graceful...but he is far from stupid .
Premierepearl08
New Member
Re: sex before marriage (Long)
@ Cybra: That was a great answer!
The Bible says that fornication is a sin. While there are various translations of the Bible, it's better to be eternally safe than eternally sorry. Looking at it from a literal view, it is a sin. The Bible says that we, as humans, are not to judge others...which means to say that you are going to heaven or hell. We can only tell you what God says about it in the Bible.
I Corinthians 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
That pretty much speaks for itself. If you have given your life to Jesus and are "born again" and you happen to fall into sin, then that is understandable and I know that if you sincerely ask him from your heart to forgive you, that he will. If you aren't born again, then your worrying about sex before marriage doesn't matter.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You have to take care of first things first. You ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and make you pure in *his* eyes and let him into your life to direct you first. Then he will take care of the rest! If you let him help/instruct you, he will show you how to keep yourself pure. Salvation doesn't make us perfect, but God's grace (undeserved favor) makes us saved. (Note: I do not believe in once saved always saved.)
Personally speaking, I had sex before marriage and I *really* wish that I hadn't. I used "protection" and still got pregnant. I thought that I wasn't ready for a baby...I still had my single life that I wanted to live! I, and my baby's father, wanted me to have an abortion but I was raised with a Bible-instructing mother and knew that it wasn't right. I was unsaved at the time, but prayed to God to help me and this was the scripture that was given to me.
2 Timothy 3
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
When I read it all I could do was cry. I couldn't believe that God was speaking to me like that. Besides diapers and wipes, the first thing that I *ever* bought my daughter was a t-shirt when she was 2. She didn't need it, but I wanted to buy it because I hadn't bought her anything. God used many people to provide for me in my time of need. I got bags and bags of clothes from other people (some new) as well as a highchair, crib, bedroom set, stroller and $200 from the church that I was attending when I was at school. By the way, I'm still getting clothes for her. She can't even wear them all!!! When we trust in God, he provides! I ended up giving my life totally over to Jesus during my pregnancy! An uncomfortable situation brought me to Jesus, but I am here to stay. (At least until the Rapture...)
@ Cybra: That was a great answer!
The Bible says that fornication is a sin. While there are various translations of the Bible, it's better to be eternally safe than eternally sorry. Looking at it from a literal view, it is a sin. The Bible says that we, as humans, are not to judge others...which means to say that you are going to heaven or hell. We can only tell you what God says about it in the Bible.
I Corinthians 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
That pretty much speaks for itself. If you have given your life to Jesus and are "born again" and you happen to fall into sin, then that is understandable and I know that if you sincerely ask him from your heart to forgive you, that he will. If you aren't born again, then your worrying about sex before marriage doesn't matter.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You have to take care of first things first. You ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and make you pure in *his* eyes and let him into your life to direct you first. Then he will take care of the rest! If you let him help/instruct you, he will show you how to keep yourself pure. Salvation doesn't make us perfect, but God's grace (undeserved favor) makes us saved. (Note: I do not believe in once saved always saved.)
Personally speaking, I had sex before marriage and I *really* wish that I hadn't. I used "protection" and still got pregnant. I thought that I wasn't ready for a baby...I still had my single life that I wanted to live! I, and my baby's father, wanted me to have an abortion but I was raised with a Bible-instructing mother and knew that it wasn't right. I was unsaved at the time, but prayed to God to help me and this was the scripture that was given to me.
2 Timothy 3
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
When I read it all I could do was cry. I couldn't believe that God was speaking to me like that. Besides diapers and wipes, the first thing that I *ever* bought my daughter was a t-shirt when she was 2. She didn't need it, but I wanted to buy it because I hadn't bought her anything. God used many people to provide for me in my time of need. I got bags and bags of clothes from other people (some new) as well as a highchair, crib, bedroom set, stroller and $200 from the church that I was attending when I was at school. By the way, I'm still getting clothes for her. She can't even wear them all!!! When we trust in God, he provides! I ended up giving my life totally over to Jesus during my pregnancy! An uncomfortable situation brought me to Jesus, but I am here to stay. (At least until the Rapture...)
butterfly7
Active Member
Re: sex before marriage (Long)
The Bible says we must repent for our sins. We must remember that repentance is not only asking God to forgive us for what we have done, but to be truly sorry for it and to also TURN AWAY FROM IT. If you are planning to continue to commit sin, then are you truly sorry?
The Bible says we must repent for our sins. We must remember that repentance is not only asking God to forgive us for what we have done, but to be truly sorry for it and to also TURN AWAY FROM IT. If you are planning to continue to commit sin, then are you truly sorry?
JenJen2721
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Re: sex before marriage (Long)
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While there are various translations of the Bible, it's better to be eternally safe than eternally sorry.
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I like that!
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While there are various translations of the Bible, it's better to be eternally safe than eternally sorry.
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I like that!
loverofnaps71
New Member
Re: sex before marriage (Long)
Yes, I responded to beautiful Butterfly privately, but I wanted to clarify and reiterate what I stated before and that is:
First, God is an all powerful, all knowing, and all loving Father. Like a father, He loves us, forgives us, and disciplines us.
Second, NOTHING can separate us from the love that God has for us. This is exemplified by God sending His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, as our Lord and Savior...who has indeed paid the penalty for our sins!
Third, HOWEVER, that does not mean that we keep sinning. If that was the implication from my earlier post, then PLEASE do not misinterpret what I am saying. God forgives with the expectation that we will turn away from commiting the same sin over and over.
I believe with all my heart that God loves us unconditionally, as co-heirs with Jesus. I believe with all my heart that He is a forgiving father, who punishes us (not necessarily by sending us to hell LITERALLY), but by allowing us to go through pain in our lives as lessons learned. Our bodies are holy temples that should remain pure and we should use our bodies to glorify God! Plain and simple. When we comit the sin of fornication, we commit it against our bodies and because our bodies are an extension of God, we commit sin against God. But, we can renew our bodies and become clean by repenting and turning away from our sins. Yes, some will object and say that our bodies are simply flesh, so God understands that flesh is weak and the spirit is stronger. I don't think that that's the case at all. I believe that when we allow someone to enter into our bodies, we become ONE with them and enter into a covenant with THEM. When they leave our bodies, they take a part of our spirit, our soul with them! I truly believe this. A woman who says that she's not affected by premarital sex, especially when that person does not care for her at all, is lying to herself. EVERY woman is negatively impacted by sex that is not within the bounds of a marital covenant.
Finally, I believe that the Lord does not want us to be unevenly yoked with someone else. Therefore, the goal of staying "pure" applies to men, too! Now, I realize that there is a double standard when it comes to sexual mores: men are encouraged to have many partners, women are pressured into staying a virgin. That's simply not right! I believe that BOTH men and women should strive to be pure in mind, body and spirit! I can never again allow myself to become one with another man who is not at least striving to be a Man of God in the realm of sexuality. For me, it just does not work...
I hope that I have clarified my position a little better for you guys.
Take care and stay blessed!
LON!
Yes, I responded to beautiful Butterfly privately, but I wanted to clarify and reiterate what I stated before and that is:
First, God is an all powerful, all knowing, and all loving Father. Like a father, He loves us, forgives us, and disciplines us.
Second, NOTHING can separate us from the love that God has for us. This is exemplified by God sending His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, as our Lord and Savior...who has indeed paid the penalty for our sins!
Third, HOWEVER, that does not mean that we keep sinning. If that was the implication from my earlier post, then PLEASE do not misinterpret what I am saying. God forgives with the expectation that we will turn away from commiting the same sin over and over.
I believe with all my heart that God loves us unconditionally, as co-heirs with Jesus. I believe with all my heart that He is a forgiving father, who punishes us (not necessarily by sending us to hell LITERALLY), but by allowing us to go through pain in our lives as lessons learned. Our bodies are holy temples that should remain pure and we should use our bodies to glorify God! Plain and simple. When we comit the sin of fornication, we commit it against our bodies and because our bodies are an extension of God, we commit sin against God. But, we can renew our bodies and become clean by repenting and turning away from our sins. Yes, some will object and say that our bodies are simply flesh, so God understands that flesh is weak and the spirit is stronger. I don't think that that's the case at all. I believe that when we allow someone to enter into our bodies, we become ONE with them and enter into a covenant with THEM. When they leave our bodies, they take a part of our spirit, our soul with them! I truly believe this. A woman who says that she's not affected by premarital sex, especially when that person does not care for her at all, is lying to herself. EVERY woman is negatively impacted by sex that is not within the bounds of a marital covenant.
Finally, I believe that the Lord does not want us to be unevenly yoked with someone else. Therefore, the goal of staying "pure" applies to men, too! Now, I realize that there is a double standard when it comes to sexual mores: men are encouraged to have many partners, women are pressured into staying a virgin. That's simply not right! I believe that BOTH men and women should strive to be pure in mind, body and spirit! I can never again allow myself to become one with another man who is not at least striving to be a Man of God in the realm of sexuality. For me, it just does not work...
I hope that I have clarified my position a little better for you guys.
Take care and stay blessed!
LON!
Brooke007
Member, Dumbledore's Army
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YuNg said:
things has changed though
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maybe god see's listening to rap music a sin. Or watching an R rated movie a sin. I dont know what to believe either.
[/ QUOTE ] That may be the case if what you're listening to and watching is vulgar, graphic or pornorgraphic or if it is causing you to act out on what you hear and see.
This is an excellent excercise for us all in sin to know and intelligently debate what is sin and what isn't.
YuNg said:
things has changed though
[/ QUOTE ] Our civilization has advanced industrially, sadly human sinful nature remains consistent [ QUOTE ]
maybe god see's listening to rap music a sin. Or watching an R rated movie a sin. I dont know what to believe either.
[/ QUOTE ] That may be the case if what you're listening to and watching is vulgar, graphic or pornorgraphic or if it is causing you to act out on what you hear and see.
This is an excellent excercise for us all in sin to know and intelligently debate what is sin and what isn't.
Supergirl
With Love & Silk
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Supergirl..are you saying that it's okay to sin as long as you believe in Jesus....?
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No, I didn't say it--the Bible said it
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I don't think that scripture (John 3:16) is saying that it is OKAY to sin. But I do see that it is guaranteeing unconditional, eternal life to "WHOSOEVER believes in Him..." Through Jesus Christ, that's not an impossible offer for the God of grace and mercy to make. No one becomes perfect when they become a Christian. Well I know I didn't.
Many Christians (most) still have some sort of struggle. And I must say that even those people who intentionally keep committing the same sin repeatedly are still under God's grace and even those sins were nailed to the cross and cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
Here's another scripture:
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Neither John 3:16 nor Romans 10:9 adds on the condition that you can't sin anymore, ever again after you believe in Jesus. Neither scripture says that if you keep doing the same thing over and over then your salvation becomes null and void. That wouldn't be grace.
Even those who are not saved are still benefiting from God's grace.
Supergirl..are you saying that it's okay to sin as long as you believe in Jesus....?
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No, I didn't say it--the Bible said it
However
I don't think that scripture (John 3:16) is saying that it is OKAY to sin. But I do see that it is guaranteeing unconditional, eternal life to "WHOSOEVER believes in Him..." Through Jesus Christ, that's not an impossible offer for the God of grace and mercy to make. No one becomes perfect when they become a Christian. Well I know I didn't.
Many Christians (most) still have some sort of struggle. And I must say that even those people who intentionally keep committing the same sin repeatedly are still under God's grace and even those sins were nailed to the cross and cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
Here's another scripture:
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Neither John 3:16 nor Romans 10:9 adds on the condition that you can't sin anymore, ever again after you believe in Jesus. Neither scripture says that if you keep doing the same thing over and over then your salvation becomes null and void. That wouldn't be grace.
Even those who are not saved are still benefiting from God's grace.
JenJen2721
New Member
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Supergirl said:
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Supergirl..are you saying that it's okay to sin as long as you believe in Jesus....?
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No, I didn't say it--the Bible said it
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Jesus said we should repent of our sins. Turn away from them and do them no more...
Matthew 4
16the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned."[1]
17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Luke 5
31Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
1 John 3
5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Jesus is saying, yes I will save you from your sins. This happens when you accept Christ in your life...but if you continue to sin you don't know God.
Repentance is a total turning away from your sins.
1 Corinthians 6
8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Supergirl said:
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Supergirl..are you saying that it's okay to sin as long as you believe in Jesus....?
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No, I didn't say it--the Bible said it
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Jesus said we should repent of our sins. Turn away from them and do them no more...
Matthew 4
16the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned."[1]
17From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Luke 5
31Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
1 John 3
5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Jesus is saying, yes I will save you from your sins. This happens when you accept Christ in your life...but if you continue to sin you don't know God.
Repentance is a total turning away from your sins.
1 Corinthians 6
8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Don't you think that if all that was needed was to accept Christ as your saviour and then we could continue to sin. <fornicate, kill, lie, steal,,,and all other things that we did before> everyone would be saved because no one wouldn't have to give up anything.. Once you get saved your are continually being changed from the inside out... You can't be saved and then no change takes place... read hebrews 6. Now I can see why we need Bible study...Super girl I hope you are participating this week.
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but none of these scriptures says that God will strip you of your salvation if you sin.
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True none of those scriptures say God will strip you of your salvation if you sin..It's saying that if you keep sinning then you were never saved in the first place.
We should be careful of what we tell people as we all know what the bible says about leading people astray...It's okay to give your opinions and beliefs but to tell someone with certainty "no you won't be going to hell for premarital sex and neither will anyone else...is not only contradictory to the word..but a bad judgement call as well..
Not trying to be mean..but that's what I think. As far as Yung is concerned..he will believe what he wants to believe but my advice to you is if it cannot be backed up by the word then don't accept it...let God be true and every man be a liar.
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but none of these scriptures says that God will strip you of your salvation if you sin.
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True none of those scriptures say God will strip you of your salvation if you sin..It's saying that if you keep sinning then you were never saved in the first place.
We should be careful of what we tell people as we all know what the bible says about leading people astray...It's okay to give your opinions and beliefs but to tell someone with certainty "no you won't be going to hell for premarital sex and neither will anyone else...is not only contradictory to the word..but a bad judgement call as well..
Not trying to be mean..but that's what I think. As far as Yung is concerned..he will believe what he wants to believe but my advice to you is if it cannot be backed up by the word then don't accept it...let God be true and every man be a liar.
JenJen2721
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Supergirl said:
I see what you're saying Jen Jen,
but none of these scriptures says that God will strip you of your salvation if you sin. But the main point was to answer YuNg's question and no he won't be going to hell for pre-marital sex (and neither will anyone else)
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The scripture I listed in my post said that the sexual immoral will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. Isn't fornication sexually immoral? What's the point of Jesus saving one from their sins if they continue to do them?
Supergirl said:
I see what you're saying Jen Jen,
but none of these scriptures says that God will strip you of your salvation if you sin. But the main point was to answer YuNg's question and no he won't be going to hell for pre-marital sex (and neither will anyone else)
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The scripture I listed in my post said that the sexual immoral will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. Isn't fornication sexually immoral? What's the point of Jesus saving one from their sins if they continue to do them?
JenJen2721
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Here's a parable Jesus told of repentance:
Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them -- do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
6Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'
8" 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' "
I think Jesus is only giving so many chances to continue in a particular sin.
Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them -- do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
6Then he told this parable: "A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, 'For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?'
8" 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.' "
I think Jesus is only giving so many chances to continue in a particular sin.
JenJen2721
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YuNg said:
things has changed though maybe god see's listening to rap music a sin. Or watching an R rated movie a sin. I dont know what to believe either.
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I think someone said this already, but I don't think listening to the music or watching the movie is a sin, but if it influences a person or tempts a person to sin....it should be turned off.
YuNg said:
things has changed though maybe god see's listening to rap music a sin. Or watching an R rated movie a sin. I dont know what to believe either.
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I think someone said this already, but I don't think listening to the music or watching the movie is a sin, but if it influences a person or tempts a person to sin....it should be turned off.
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