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Black Ambrosia

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WSJ News Exclusive | Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say


The Russians have used online publications to question the safety of Western Covid-19 vaccines, including Pfizer’s.​


WASHINGTON—Russian intelligence agencies have mounted a campaign to undermine confidence in Pfizer Inc.’s and other Western vaccines, using online publications that in recent months have questioned the vaccines’ development and safety, U.S. officials said.

An official with the State Department’s Global Engagement Center, which monitors foreign disinformation efforts, identified four publications that he said have served as fronts for Russian intelligence.

The websites played up the vaccines’ risk of side effects, questioned their efficacy, and said the U.S. had rushed the Pfizer vaccine through the approval process, among other false or misleading claims.


Though the outlets’ readership is small, U.S. officials say they inject false narratives that can be amplified by other Russian and international media.

“We can say these outlets are directly linked to Russian intelligence services,” the Global Engagement Center official said of the sites behind the disinformation campaign. “They’re all foreign-owned, based outside of the United States. They vary a lot in their reach, their tone, their audience, but they’re all part of the Russian propaganda and disinformation ecosystem.”

In addition, Russian state media and Russian government Twitter accounts have made overt efforts to raise concerns about the cost and safety of the Pfizer vaccine in what experts outside the U.S. government say is an effort to promote the sale of Russia’s rival Sputnik V vaccine.

“The emphasis on denigrating Pfizer is likely due to its status as the first vaccine besides Sputnik V to see mass use, resulting in a greater potential threat to Sputnik’s market dominance,” says a forthcoming report by the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a nongovernmental organization that focuses on the danger that authoritarian governments pose to democracies and that is part of the German Marshall Fund, a U.S. think tank.


The foreign efforts to sow doubts about the vaccine exploit deep-seated anxieties about the efficacy and side effects of vaccines that were already prevalent in some communities in the U.S. and internationally. Concern about side effects is a major reason for vaccine hesitancy, according to U.S. Census Bureau data made public last month.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied that Russian intelligence agencies were orchestrating articles against Western vaccines and said U.S. officials were mischaracterizing the broad international debate over vaccines as a Russian plot.

“It’s nonsense. Russian special services have nothing to do with any criticism against vaccines,” Mr. Peskov said in a telephone interview from Moscow. “If we treat every negative publication against the Sputnik V vaccine as a result of efforts by American special services, then we will go crazy because we see it every day, every hour and in every Anglo-Saxon media.”

The State Department GEC official said that four publications had direct links to Russian intelligence and were used by the Russian government to mislead international opinion on a range of issues.

New Eastern Outlook and Oriental Review, the official said, are directed and controlled by the SVR, or Russia’s foreign intelligence service. They present themselves as academic publications and are aimed at the Middle East, Asia and Africa, offering comment on the U.S.’s role in the world. The State Department said in an August report that New Eastern Outlook was linked to “state-funded institutions” in Russia.

Another publication, News Front, is guided by the FSB, a security service that succeeded the KGB, the official said. It is based in Crimea, produces information in 10 languages, and had nearly nine million page visits between February and April 2020, the official added. In August, the State Department was less explicit, saying that News Front reportedly had ties to Russia security services and Kremlin funding.

Rebel Inside, the fourth publication, has been controlled by the GRU, which is an intelligence directorate of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff. It covered riots and protests and now appears dormant, the GEC official said.

The State Department had previously not gone so far as to say that these outlets were controlled or guided by Russian intelligence agencies—an assertion that generally relies on U.S. classified intelligence.

A State Department spokesman didn’t provide specific evidence linking the publications to Russian intelligence but said the assessment was “a result of a joint interagency conclusion.”

“Russian intelligence services bear direct responsibility for using these four platforms to spread propaganda and lies,” the spokesman said. “From the very beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic last year, we have seen Russia’s disinformation ecosystem develop and spread false narratives around the crisis.”

News Front, New Eastern Outlook and Oriental Review didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Social-media accounts affiliated with the four websites have largely been removed from Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube and Pinterest, though some non-English-language accounts remained active earlier this year.

Highlighting reports in the international media, a January article in News Front played up the risk that a person who receives the Pfizer or Moderna Inc.vaccines could contract Bell’s palsy, in which facial muscles are paralyzed, while a February article focused on a man in California that it said tested positive for Covid-19 after receiving the Pfizer vaccination.

The Covid-19 Pandemic​

In each case, the Russian outlets were repeating actual news reports but overlooking contrary information about the general safety of the vaccine. Numerous studies and real-world data have shown the Food and Drug Administration-approved vaccines to be safe and effective, and hospitalizations and deaths have begun to plummet in places like Israel where shots have been widely administered, though a small number of side effects have been reported.

“To date, millions of people have been vaccinated with our vaccine following the endorsement of regulators in multiple countries,” said Pamela Eisele, a spokeswoman for Pfizer, who added that individuals who have questions should consult the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website or their healthcare provider.

A spokeswoman for Moderna didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

A November article in New Eastern Outlook said that the Pfizer vaccine’s use of mRNA gene editing was “radical experimental technology” that lacked “precision” and said it was rushed through the approval process with the help of billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser for the Covid-19 pandemic, both of whom the article accused of “playing fast and loose with human lives in their rush to get these experimental vaccines into our bodies.”

Some New Eastern Outlook articles have been republished by blogs and purported international news sites. One article from January alleged that the U.S. has biological labs around the world that may lead to outbreaks of infectious disease. The article was republished in full or part by websites in Bangladesh, Italy, Spain, France, Iran, Cuba and Sweden, which were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The U.S. has long accused Moscow of carrying out disinformation on medical issues. Judy Twigg, a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University who is an expert on global health issues, said that the Soviet KGB had accused the CIA of spreading dengue fever in Cuba and malaria in Pakistan.


“A persistent KGB campaign claimed that the U.S. Army’s former biological weapons labs at Fort Detrick had unleashed the AIDS epidemic,” she said. Soviet officials denied responsibility for this disinformation.

Thomas Rid, an expert on Russian disinformation at Johns Hopkins University who reviewed the websites cited by the State Department, said the articles were generally in line with Russia’s “rich history” of using communications technology to deceive both international and domestic audiences. He urged the U.S. government to do more to publicly explain how it has concluded the websites are controlled by specific Russian intelligence agencies.

With Russia and China seeking to sell their vaccines abroad, overt efforts to denigrate Pfizer have been well documented. The forthcoming German Marshall Fund report, which was reviewed by the Journal and is to be issued Monday, analyzed more than 35,000 Russian, Chinese and Iranian government and state media tweets on vaccine themes from early November to early February. “Russia provided by far the most negative coverage of Western vaccines.” it states, “with a remarkable 86% of surveyed Russian tweets mentioning Pfizer and 76% mentioning Moderna coded as negative.”
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
Any feedback? ^^^ My friend is passing on the vaccine because she read about something about the mRNA thing.
No feedback. Russia is up to it's old tricks. They have their own vaccine they're pushing so they want people to not have confidence in Phizer. I can't offer any insight into one vs the other but if you're inclined to get vaccinated I wouldn't let their efforts deter you. If you have general concerns about vaccination that's a different issue. Maybe one of the doctors here can weigh in on mRNA.
 

lavaflow99

In search of the next vacation

WSJ News Exclusive | Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say


The Russians have used online publications to question the safety of Western Covid-19 vaccines, including Pfizer’s.​


WASHINGTON—Russian intelligence agencies have mounted a campaign to undermine confidence in Pfizer Inc.’s and other Western vaccines, using online publications that in recent months have questioned the vaccines’ development and safety, U.S. officials said.

An official with the State Department’s Global Engagement Center, which monitors foreign disinformation efforts, identified four publications that he said have served as fronts for Russian intelligence.

The websites played up the vaccines’ risk of side effects, questioned their efficacy, and said the U.S. had rushed the Pfizer vaccine through the approval process, among other false or misleading claims.


Though the outlets’ readership is small, U.S. officials say they inject false narratives that can be amplified by other Russian and international media.

“We can say these outlets are directly linked to Russian intelligence services,” the Global Engagement Center official said of the sites behind the disinformation campaign. “They’re all foreign-owned, based outside of the United States. They vary a lot in their reach, their tone, their audience, but they’re all part of the Russian propaganda and disinformation ecosystem.”

In addition, Russian state media and Russian government Twitter accounts have made overt efforts to raise concerns about the cost and safety of the Pfizer vaccine in what experts outside the U.S. government say is an effort to promote the sale of Russia’s rival Sputnik V vaccine.

“The emphasis on denigrating Pfizer is likely due to its status as the first vaccine besides Sputnik V to see mass use, resulting in a greater potential threat to Sputnik’s market dominance,” says a forthcoming report by the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a nongovernmental organization that focuses on the danger that authoritarian governments pose to democracies and that is part of the German Marshall Fund, a U.S. think tank.


The foreign efforts to sow doubts about the vaccine exploit deep-seated anxieties about the efficacy and side effects of vaccines that were already prevalent in some communities in the U.S. and internationally. Concern about side effects is a major reason for vaccine hesitancy, according to U.S. Census Bureau data made public last month.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied that Russian intelligence agencies were orchestrating articles against Western vaccines and said U.S. officials were mischaracterizing the broad international debate over vaccines as a Russian plot.

“It’s nonsense. Russian special services have nothing to do with any criticism against vaccines,” Mr. Peskov said in a telephone interview from Moscow. “If we treat every negative publication against the Sputnik V vaccine as a result of efforts by American special services, then we will go crazy because we see it every day, every hour and in every Anglo-Saxon media.”

The State Department GEC official said that four publications had direct links to Russian intelligence and were used by the Russian government to mislead international opinion on a range of issues.

New Eastern Outlook and Oriental Review, the official said, are directed and controlled by the SVR, or Russia’s foreign intelligence service. They present themselves as academic publications and are aimed at the Middle East, Asia and Africa, offering comment on the U.S.’s role in the world. The State Department said in an August report that New Eastern Outlook was linked to “state-funded institutions” in Russia.

Another publication, News Front, is guided by the FSB, a security service that succeeded the KGB, the official said. It is based in Crimea, produces information in 10 languages, and had nearly nine million page visits between February and April 2020, the official added. In August, the State Department was less explicit, saying that News Front reportedly had ties to Russia security services and Kremlin funding.

Rebel Inside, the fourth publication, has been controlled by the GRU, which is an intelligence directorate of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff. It covered riots and protests and now appears dormant, the GEC official said.

The State Department had previously not gone so far as to say that these outlets were controlled or guided by Russian intelligence agencies—an assertion that generally relies on U.S. classified intelligence.

A State Department spokesman didn’t provide specific evidence linking the publications to Russian intelligence but said the assessment was “a result of a joint interagency conclusion.”

“Russian intelligence services bear direct responsibility for using these four platforms to spread propaganda and lies,” the spokesman said. “From the very beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic last year, we have seen Russia’s disinformation ecosystem develop and spread false narratives around the crisis.”

News Front, New Eastern Outlook and Oriental Review didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Social-media accounts affiliated with the four websites have largely been removed from Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube and Pinterest, though some non-English-language accounts remained active earlier this year.

Highlighting reports in the international media, a January article in News Front played up the risk that a person who receives the Pfizer or Moderna Inc.vaccines could contract Bell’s palsy, in which facial muscles are paralyzed, while a February article focused on a man in California that it said tested positive for Covid-19 after receiving the Pfizer vaccination.

The Covid-19 Pandemic​

In each case, the Russian outlets were repeating actual news reports but overlooking contrary information about the general safety of the vaccine. Numerous studies and real-world data have shown the Food and Drug Administration-approved vaccines to be safe and effective, and hospitalizations and deaths have begun to plummet in places like Israel where shots have been widely administered, though a small number of side effects have been reported.

“To date, millions of people have been vaccinated with our vaccine following the endorsement of regulators in multiple countries,” said Pamela Eisele, a spokeswoman for Pfizer, who added that individuals who have questions should consult the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website or their healthcare provider.

A spokeswoman for Moderna didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

A November article in New Eastern Outlook said that the Pfizer vaccine’s use of mRNA gene editing was “radical experimental technology” that lacked “precision” and said it was rushed through the approval process with the help of billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser for the Covid-19 pandemic, both of whom the article accused of “playing fast and loose with human lives in their rush to get these experimental vaccines into our bodies.”

Some New Eastern Outlook articles have been republished by blogs and purported international news sites. One article from January alleged that the U.S. has biological labs around the world that may lead to outbreaks of infectious disease. The article was republished in full or part by websites in Bangladesh, Italy, Spain, France, Iran, Cuba and Sweden, which were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The U.S. has long accused Moscow of carrying out disinformation on medical issues. Judy Twigg, a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University who is an expert on global health issues, said that the Soviet KGB had accused the CIA of spreading dengue fever in Cuba and malaria in Pakistan.


“A persistent KGB campaign claimed that the U.S. Army’s former biological weapons labs at Fort Detrick had unleashed the AIDS epidemic,” she said. Soviet officials denied responsibility for this disinformation.

Thomas Rid, an expert on Russian disinformation at Johns Hopkins University who reviewed the websites cited by the State Department, said the articles were generally in line with Russia’s “rich history” of using communications technology to deceive both international and domestic audiences. He urged the U.S. government to do more to publicly explain how it has concluded the websites are controlled by specific Russian intelligence agencies.

With Russia and China seeking to sell their vaccines abroad, overt efforts to denigrate Pfizer have been well documented. The forthcoming German Marshall Fund report, which was reviewed by the Journal and is to be issued Monday, analyzed more than 35,000 Russian, Chinese and Iranian government and state media tweets on vaccine themes from early November to early February. “Russia provided by far the most negative coverage of Western vaccines.” it states, “with a remarkable 86% of surveyed Russian tweets mentioning Pfizer and 76% mentioning Moderna coded as negative.”
I didn’t read all that TBH.

The Russians will be the last people I would be getting advice and counsel from. :rolleyes:
Their own vaccine that they produced came out before Pfizer and they were vaccinating their people even before the clinical trials were complete.

They are saying this for money (trying to hawk their own vaccine to the rest of the world). :nono:

If you want a vaccine, take it when it is your turn
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member

Brazil faces health systems "collapse" as country sets new COVID deaths record, report warns​



Brazil is facing "overload and even collapse of health systems" because of surging COVID-19 cases, a report by the state-run Fiocruz institute warned Tuesday, as the country set a new daily coronavirus deaths record.

Driving the news: The institute said over 80% of intensive care unit beds are occupied in 25 of Brazil's 27 state capitals. In Rio de Janeiro, 93% of ICU beds are occupied and Brasília has only 3% available. The cities of Campo Grande (106%) and Porto Alegre (102%) have exceeded capacity.
  • Brazil's health ministry on Tuesday reported 1,972 more deaths from the coronavirus and 70,764 new cases.
For the record: The country has recorded the second-highest number of deaths (268,370) from the coronavirus after the U.S. (527,643), according to Johns Hopkins data.
  • It has reported the third-highest number of cases in the world — over 11.1 million since the pandemic began .
What they're saying: Fiocruz epidemiologist Jesem Orellana told AFP the "fight against COVID-19 was lost in 2020" and there's "not the slightest chance of reversing this tragic circumstance" in the first half of this year.
  • "The best we can do is hope for the miracle of mass vaccination or a radical change in the management of the pandemic," he added.
  • "Today, Brazil is a threat to humanity and an open-air laboratory where impunity in management seems to be the rule."
Of note: President Jair Bolsonaro, who has repeatedly downplayed the virus, said last week Brazilians should stop "whining" about the pandemic and leave home, despite stay-at-home orders imposed by local authorities, per Reuters.
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member

People are getting vaccinated due to their BMI. They have mixed feelings about it.​

In late February, Claire DiYenno opened her inbox to discover the golden ticket: An email from her doctor’s office with a subject line telling her that she was now eligible to get the coronavirus vaccine. It was welcome news, but unexpected.

“I was trying to think of all the different things that maybe I could have been eligible for, because I have migraines. I’ve had recent surgery,” says DiYenno, who lives in Upstate New York.

Then she opened the email and found out the real reason: Her body mass index, or BMI, was considered to be in the “obese” category.

“It was kind of like, shot-and-chaser,” she says. “Like, oh, here’s this great thing, that I’m eligible to get the vaccine, but the fact that it’s because I’m fat — I didn’t know how I felt about it.”

There are a lot of ways for people in the obese/eligible category to feel about it: Grateful to be getting the vaccine. Resentful that BMI — long known to be a flawed measurement of health — is the reason. Ambivalent about fatphobia in medicine working in their favor, for once.

As states move into broader phases of vaccine distribution, some have expanded their eligibility pool to include people suffering from various illnesses — as well as those who smoke, or who are considered to be obese according to BMI. At least 29 states have named obesity an eligible condition.

BMI was introduced in the early 19th century by a Belgian mathematician named Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet. You can easily figure out your own: Plug in a height and weight to the mathematical formula, and any result over 30 is classified as obese according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.For example, a 5-foot-10-inch man who weighs 210 pounds would be just over the cusp, at 30.1. (People with a BMI of 25 to 29 are “overweight,” per the chart.)

The measurement was actuarial, intended to assess the average size of men across a population; Quetlet, who was not a doctor, did not intend for it to be a measure of an individual’s health. His chart, and thus what was considered average, was developed using measurements of white bodies only. It does not take into account other factors that can contribute to weight, including muscle and bone density, which is why athletes often have high BMIs despite being in good shape. (Most of the Washington Football Team’s linebacker corps is technically obese.) A 2004 study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that waist circumference was a better predictor of health risk than BMI.

“BMI is not perfect, but it’s easy to measure,” says Dariush Mozaffarian, a cardiologist and dean at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy in Boston. “It’s reproducible, and on average it works well.”

And when it comes to covid, some doctors have seen a link between high BMI and more severe cases that require hospitalization. Mozaffarian’s latest researchindicates that 30 percent of covid-19 hospitalizations were attributable to obesity. In the early days of the pandemic, when rationing equipment was a concern, obesity was among the factors that could determine whether a patient received a ventilator in some states.

However, a recent study in the Journal of Obesity found that a higher BMI was not a factor that led to different outcomes for covid-19 patients who required a mechanical ventilator.

Even before the pandemic, activists were concerned about how people with obesity are seen and treated by the medical profession.

“Fat people have been abused in medicalized spaces for a very long time,” says Darci Thoune, an English professor at the University of Wisconsin at LaCrosse who specializes in fat studies and co-authors the blog Two Fat Professors. “It only reinforces a culture of shame and contributes to the well-documented mental health issues that a lot of fat people have because of, essentially, institutionalized weight stigma.” Those issues are compounded for people of color, says Thoune, when fatphobia meets health-care discrimination.

(A note on language: Thoune prefers the word “fat,” which she and many activists feel is more empowering than “obese,” though opinions vary within the community on how to self-identify. Some prefer the term “person with obesity.”)

The obesity classification is now giving people a perceived advantage when it comes to vaccine access. It’s not a real advantage, many point out, because they still face discrimination for the way their bodies look.

“It has never been easy to exist in a plus-sized body in America. We have been ridiculed our entire existence,” says Tess Holliday, a 35-year-old model who has been featured in Vogue Italia, Nylon, and on the cover of Cosmopolitan U.K. “So honestly, if the upside of me dealing with the torment and torture because of my size my entire life means that I can get a life saving vaccine sooner, then cool.”

The vaccine rollout itself has illustrated the flaws of BMI as a metric. The BBC reported that a British man was offered a vaccine appointment after medical records listed him as having a BMI of 28,000, which apparently didn’t raise any alarms (A clerical error had recorded his 6’2 height as 6.2 cm; he declined the appointment and is waiting his turn). And because muscle weighs more than fat, weightlifters and crossfitters with high BMIs are eligible for their shots even though they are not high risk.

Some people who aren’t eligible have been making jokes about wanting to gain “the covid 19” to get appointments. “Damn i gotta chub up,” one Twitter user responded to a Washington Post story about people with obesity being eligible for the vaccine in D.C.

“I find it really ironic that there’s so many people online joking about how they’re hoping to gain a pound or two so that their BMI reaches the level that they needed to in order to be vaccinated,” says Holliday. “No one ever takes plus-size folks’ health seriously.”

Some people who are eligible for their BMI have been reluctant to get the vaccine because they fear they will be judged. There’s a derogatory trope that people with larger bodies don’t “deserve” the vaccine because of stereotypes that weight is a result of personal choices, rather than a complicated mix of factors including genetics, their environment, and mental health.

“I’m annoyed obese people of all ages get priority vaccine access before all essential workers,” tweeted McCoy. “When most stayed home, we went to work everyday last March, April, May and everyday since putting ourselves & loved ones at risk.”

Followers pointed out that McCoy had anchored his show from home for periods in March and August, and had posted photos of himself traveling throughout the pandemic. He was later suspended, and tweeted a statement: “I Tweeted something insensitive and offensive. I truly regret my words and want to apologize.” McCoy declined to comment for this story.

“It’s like you don’t even think of us as people,” says Andrea Pendergast, a 34-year-old communications specialist in Richfield, Minn., of the critics. “You just you think this is like, we’re cashing in a fat ticket or something. Finally, like this has been the grand plan the whole time: be fat and then we get special treatment, or something. As a fat person, we get no special treatment.”

After Kelly Jenkins posted that she was getting vaccinated, people started asking her how she was eligible. (Note: Don’t ask people this! It’s none of your business.)

“Sometimes I just say I have a comorbidity because I feel like there’s a lot more judgment in BMI than like, asthma,” says the 33-year-old Brooklyn resident.

Thoune plans to wait for her vaccine, even though she is currently eligible.

“I didn’t really want to buy into the medicalized narrative about my body as somehow being more at risk . . . to endorse the fatphobic ideas that are built into modern medicine,” she says. “That being said, I understand why other people would choose it for themselves.”
Mozaffarian says his research indicates that the BMI eligibility is appropriate.

“Obesity is clearly an independent risk factor for both severe illness, hospitalization and death, and diabetes and hypertension and are also independent risk factors on top of that,” he says. “We should absolutely be vaccinating people who are at higher risk of hospitalization and death, because that’s what we are trying to prevent.”

In practice, taking advantage of the BMI allowance can be fraught with guilt and shame. Some people might feel so embarrassed by their BMI that they don’t register for their appointments. People with high BMIs but good health — who don’t have hypertension, diabetes or any other comorbidities — might feel guilty that they’re getting opportunities that could benefit others more.

DiYenno, the Upstate New York woman who was surprised to learn she was eligible by email, says she is grateful for the chance at a dose of vaccine but ultimately disagrees with the policy.

“My mom hasn’t even been able to get it,” she says. “Granted, she lives in Ohio, but it does feel weird that I’m able to get it before she can.”
She was able to resolve some of her complicated feelings. It has been empowering for her to tell people that she got vaccinated, and she hopes BMI won’t hold others back from getting their jabs.

“If that’s all you’re going to see me as, and you’re just constantly going to lump me into this group as, ‘Ok, you’re fat, and that’s why you have all these problems,’” says DiYenno, “Well, in this one instance, I’ll take advantage of it.”
 

Peppermynt

Defying Gravity

People are getting vaccinated due to their BMI. They have mixed feelings about it.​

In late February, Claire DiYenno opened her inbox to discover the golden ticket: An email from her doctor’s office with a subject line telling her that she was now eligible to get the coronavirus vaccine. It was welcome news, but unexpected.

“I was trying to think of all the different things that maybe I could have been eligible for, because I have migraines. I’ve had recent surgery,” says DiYenno, who lives in Upstate New York.

Then she opened the email and found out the real reason: Her body mass index, or BMI, was considered to be in the “obese” category.

“It was kind of like, shot-and-chaser,” she says. “Like, oh, here’s this great thing, that I’m eligible to get the vaccine, but the fact that it’s because I’m fat — I didn’t know how I felt about it.”
Shiiiiiiiddddd. I've been counting on my BMI getting me a slot sooner rather than later. :look:
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
From my Urine Danger thread, we've always had an issue with outsiders (truck drivers and delivery people) peeing all over the floor of our warehouse restroom and there was already a rule in the office space because repairmen were peeing everywhere but the urinal. Since the pandemic, we keep a strict, employees only in the building rule.

Today, a black UPS driver asked me if he could use the bathroom and I told I was sorry but we have a strict no public bathroom rule. He gave me a look and pee pee danced his way on. I felt bad but I'd feel worse for violating our "bubble". Would ya'll have let him use the bathroom? Mind you, I have the authority to make exceptions. I feel guilty because I know how uncomfortable a full bladder is but 1. pandemic and 2. piss soaked wood that cost thousands of dollars to replace :mad: .

I wish that you could look at people and tell if they 1. have covid and 2. will pee in things that are meant to be peed in.

Business school did not prepare me for this.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
And just like that, I take my happy :moon: out of my office on the way to the bathroom and nearly walked into breathing distance of the XEROX tech fixing the printer with his mask hanging half off his face. I went into my office and announced over the intercom that masks must be worn at all times in common areas. I made the IT guy go out there and put an air purifier in the area and remind him to keep his :censored: mask on his face.
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
From my Urine Danger thread, we've always had an issue with outsiders (truck drivers and delivery people) peeing all over the floor of our warehouse restroom and there was already a rule in the office space because repairmen were peeing everywhere but the urinal. Since the pandemic, we keep a strict, employees only in the building rule.

Today, a black UPS driver asked me if he could use the bathroom and I told I was sorry but we have a strict no public bathroom rule. He gave me a look and pee pee danced his way on. I felt bad but I'd feel worse for violating our "bubble". Would ya'll have let him use the bathroom? Mind you, I have the authority to make exceptions. I feel guilty because I know how uncomfortable a full bladder is but 1. pandemic and 2. piss soaked wood that cost thousands of dollars to replace :mad: .

I wish that you could look at people and tell if they 1. have covid and 2. will pee in things that are meant to be peed in.

Business school did not prepare me for this.
Never thought of what delivery people have to deal with. They must have a hard time since so many places have this policy.

Honestly I wouldn't feel bad. Can the bathroom be locked?
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Never thought of what delivery people have to deal with. They must have a hard time since so many places have this policy.

Honestly I wouldn't feel bad. Can the bathroom be locked?
We put a lock on the mens room door in the warehouse for decoration but its never locked. Nobody wants to be bothered with having to babysit a key. Nobody can get to any of the bathrooms without passing by "Authorized Personnel Only Beyond This Point" signs. Although, we know from the disaster threads, signs are only as good as the people who follow instructions. :rofl:
 

sunshinebeautiful

Well-Known Member
From my Urine Danger thread, we've always had an issue with outsiders (truck drivers and delivery people) peeing all over the floor of our warehouse restroom and there was already a rule in the office space because repairmen were peeing everywhere but the urinal. Since the pandemic, we keep a strict, employees only in the building rule.

Today, a black UPS driver asked me if he could use the bathroom and I told I was sorry but we have a strict no public bathroom rule. He gave me a look and pee pee danced his way on. I felt bad but I'd feel worse for violating our "bubble". Would ya'll have let him use the bathroom? Mind you, I have the authority to make exceptions. I feel guilty because I know how uncomfortable a full bladder is but 1. pandemic and 2. piss soaked wood that cost thousands of dollars to replace :mad: .

I wish that you could look at people and tell if they 1. have covid and 2. will pee in things that are meant to be peed in.

Business school did not prepare me for this.


Ehhhh.... I'm on Team I Don't Know You, so the answer would have been no. Poor guy though. I hope he found somewhere close by to go pee.
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member


Hundreds of covid cases reported at Tesla plant following Musk’s defiant reopening, county data shows

Alameda County had initially denied releasing the data, citing requirements under health privacy law.​


SAN FRANCISCO — Tesla’s Bay Area production plant recorded hundreds of covid-19 cases following CEO Elon Musk’s defiant reopening of the plant in May, according to county-level data obtained by a legal transparency website.

The document, obtained by the website PlainSite following a court ruling this year, showed Tesla received around 10 reports of covid-19 in May when the plant reopened, and saw a steady rise in cases all the way up to 125 in December, as the disease caused by the novel coronavirus peaked around the country.

The revelation follows The Washington Post’s reporting in June that there had been multiple covid-19 cases reported at Tesla’s facilities in Fremont, Calif., after Musk decided to reopen despite a countywide stay-at-home order, daring officials to arrest him.

The data, covering the months between May and December, showed there were around 450 total reported cases. Roughly 10,000 people work at the plant.

For nearly a year, the Alameda County Public Health Department said it could not release data on the number of cases under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which grants privacy for health records.

As part of an agreement struck in mid-May allowing Tesla to reopen, Tesla was required to report positive cases to the health department. Despite around 10 cases in May, according to the data, the health department told The Post in early June that there were no known cases of workplace infections affecting county residents.

Tesla and the Alameda County Public Health Department and representatives did not respond to a request for comment.

Musk fought vigorously against the county-mandated shutdown, arguing Tesla should be allowed to continue producing cars despite the stay-at-home orders. In late April, he railed against the government mandates, hurling expletives during an earnings call and calling them “fascist.” By May 11, he said Tesla was reopening, ultimately drawing support from anti-shutdown crowds and even President Donald Trump.

“Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules,” he wrote on Twitter. “I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.

Tesla also came under fire for its treatment of workers. It had promised they could remain home if they felt uncomfortable returning to the line. The Post reported in late June and July that workers concerned about covid exposure received termination notices after they did not return to work.

The data released by Alameda County shows there were 19 reported cases in June and 58 reported cases at the plant in July.

Musk drew criticism for his response to the coronavirus pandemic, after initially calling panic over the disease “dumb” and predicting there would be “close to zero new cases” by last April.

On Friday, he sent a tweet casting doubt on aspects of coronavirus vaccines, despite medical experts’ assurances that they are safe and encouragement to the broader public to receive both doses of those that require it.
 
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awhyley

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Florida is off the chain right now!! Lol I see why a state of emergency has been declared! Folks whole behinds is walking up and down the beaches.. and it doesn’t look like what you see in the movies and music videos either... COVID ain’t gone...

Yep, Spring Break out of control as usual. Hospitals bout to fill up again over there. Good luck (FL) ladies.
 

snoop

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COVID-19 vaccine second dose interval extended to 16 weeks​

March 16, 2021​

Second dose vial

The Ministry of Health recently announced the province will be following recommendations made by Canada’s National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) to increase the interval between all Health Canada approved COVID-19 vaccines to up to 16 weeks.

This means that more people will be able to receive a first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine quicker than initially anticipated, pending vaccine supply from the federal government. Extending the time between doses to up to 16 weeks aims to maximize the number of people benefiting from the strong protection provided by a first dose of the vaccine.

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january noir

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Florida is off the chain right now!! Lol I see why a state of emergency has been declared! Folks whole behinds is walking up and down the beaches.. and it doesn’t look like what you see in the movies and music videos either... COVID ain’t gone...
My co-worker and her son were just diagnosed with COVID Thursday (her son) and she (today) after all this time. I honestly think they got careless and stopped following the rules...That was a strong reminder for me, not that I needed to be reminded.
 

Evolving78

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My co-worker and her son were just diagnosed with COVID Thursday (her son) and she (today) after all this time. I honestly think they got careless and stopped following the rules...That was a strong reminder for me, not that I needed to be reminded.
Thank you! That’s a strong reminder for me too! I just had a talk with my children too. My child hears his friends going out on dates, dining out, hanging out with each other, and I know he is starting to feel somewhat left out, but I had to tell him that we need to wait it out a little more and see how this thing plays out by the fall for next school year. Most people I know are not practicing social distancing, they really don’t feel getting the virus is so bad, and a lot of them have contracted the virus and had severe symptoms.
 
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