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The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Kanky

Well-Known Member
For some reason these kinds of articles never lead with the most important information. I guess no one would click on a headline that says that vaccines are working as expected.

Both figures remain a tiny percentage of the total number of all people who have been vaccinated -- just 0.03% of vaccinated people have been hospitalized, and 0.87% have had confirmed infections. An even smaller percentage has died: 0.006%.
 

PatDM'T

Well-Known Member
See, I wonder
if the reason
for the problem
isn't what was
being explained
in this video:
the needle hitting
a blood vessel
and depositing
the vaccine in the
vessel instead of
in a muscle
as it should. :scratchchin:
 

werenumber2

Well-Known Member
People always swear someone was "perfectly healthy" forgetting overweight can be a metabolic disease state for MANY (not all).

I’m mostly confused because when the vaccines were first being rolled out, those in the overweight/obese category received priority alongside those with other health issues. So why are articles stating that these folks had “no preexisting conditions” when they pass away?
 

BrownBetty

Well-Known Member
More of my extended Family is catching covid. 95% are unvaccinated. These are all people who live in cities with multiple locations to be vaccinated they just aren't doing it. It is a shame to watch because it doesn't have to be like this.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Ok, let's have this talk.

With surgery that limited my ability to eat, it took me six years to go from severely obese to an optimal (normal) BMI. I'm not going into my stats but at my heaviest I was on the verge of limited mobility. I am open to pm's from people with weight struggles but I don't have this particular talk with a mixed audience.

Weight loss surgery AND a medically supervised regimen of diet and exercise helped me to go from severely obese to the lower end of overweight in one year. Think about that, I had surgery and after a few months got to a 10 minute mile and it still took me a year to go from medically defined fat AF to kinda fat. It took FIVE more years for me to get to medically normal.

So when people talk about a pandemic that just creeped up on all of us and go "oh but so-so died because they was fat" well, if I started what I did in March 2020, I would still be high risk today. If the wrong one coughed or sneezed on vaccinated me then the response would be well, what do you expect that's what these fat :censored: 's get. I mean damn, people still want to live.

My BMI today is normal, all of my vitamin levels are good. I am prone to anemia and I am prone to respiratory issues because of allergies so I am not at all confident that if I got Covid that I would be able to just walk it off no matter how many vitamins or exercise I take. Vaccine is a whole nother story.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
They formed a group looking deeper into ivermectin studies after biomedical student Jack Lawrence spotted problems with an influential study from Egypt. Among other issues, it contained patients who turned out to have died before the trial started. It has now been retracted by the journal that published it.
The group of independent scientists examined virtually every randomised controlled trial (RCT) on ivermectin and Covid - in theory the highest quality evidence - including all the key studies regularly cited by the drug's promoters.

RCTs involve people being randomly chosen to receive either the drug which is being tested or a placebo - a dummy drug with no active properties.

I read about this student's discovery a few weeks ago. In grad school its the first they teach us--how to really criticize literature. There are a lot of studies out there that are true but cannot be applied to real world situations at population levels we see. Its why they won't pick it up here in the US. They did that for hydrochloroquine, and had to quickly retract. And you did see MORE real improvement with hydrochloroquine. However, so many people died on it as well. You cannot in good faith justify it as a treatment or a cure. That and it becoming in short supply for Lupus patients on it for years.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Ok, let's have this talk.

With surgery that limited my ability to eat, it took me six years to go from severely obese to an optimal (normal) BMI. I'm not going into my stats but at my heaviest I was on the verge of limited mobility. I am open to pm's from people with weight struggles but I don't have this particular talk with a mixed audience.

Weight loss surgery AND a medically supervised regimen of diet and exercise helped me to go from severely obese to the lower end of overweight in one year. Think about that, I had surgery and after a few months got to a 10 minute mile and it still took me a year to go from medically defined fat AF to kinda fat. It took FIVE more years for me to get to medically normal.

So when people talk about a pandemic that just creeped up on all of us and go "oh but so-so died because they was fat" well, if I started what I did in March 2020, I would still be high risk today. If the wrong one coughed or sneezed on vaccinated me then the response would be well, what do you expect that's what these fat :censored: 's get. I mean damn, people still want to live.

My BMI today is normal, all of my vitamin levels are good. I am prone to anemia and I am prone to respiratory issues because of allergies so I am not at all confident that if I got Covid that I would be able to just walk it off no matter how many vitamins or exercise I take. Vaccine is a whole nother story.
Fair point. But many things can be true at once. As far as I know, many people with lower BMI and no pre-existing conditions are keeling over as well. If the pic is right--for a very young child--overweight like that is a legit and concerning pre-existing condition. But it certainly might not have had NOTHING to do with her passing away. The 3rd grader who died in my child's school in August was skinny. My child's PE coach was 40 and healthy/athletic. The other thing that's true is that we do ignore pre-existing conditions because we don't want it to matter. Calling it out makes one feel some kind of way. And trust...I def had weight issues as well. The stress of this spring/summer added a few lbs back that I lost last year and my mile ain't no where 10 mins (thats impressive! KUDOS).

We can never say one's weight caused their demise. We can also never say it didn't. I guess we don't know so it could be moot. I also fall into the category that I JUST DON'T know. Someone may see my butt and be like "well she had a little weight on her/she was fat" I didn't mean for the discussion to go this way.
 

Kanky

Well-Known Member
Ok, let's have this talk.

With surgery that limited my ability to eat, it took me six years to go from severely obese to an optimal (normal) BMI. I'm not going into my stats but at my heaviest I was on the verge of limited mobility. I am open to pm's from people with weight struggles but I don't have this particular talk with a mixed audience.

Weight loss surgery AND a medically supervised regimen of diet and exercise helped me to go from severely obese to the lower end of overweight in one year. Think about that, I had surgery and after a few months got to a 10 minute mile and it still took me a year to go from medically defined fat AF to kinda fat. It took FIVE more years for me to get to medically normal.

So when people talk about a pandemic that just creeped up on all of us and go "oh but so-so died because they was fat" well, if I started what I did in March 2020, I would still be high risk today. If the wrong one coughed or sneezed on vaccinated me then the response would be well, what do you expect that's what these fat :censored: 's get. I mean damn, people still want to live.

My BMI today is normal, all of my vitamin levels are good. I am prone to anemia and I am prone to respiratory issues because of allergies so I am not at all confident that if I got Covid that I would be able to just walk it off no matter how many vitamins or exercise I take. Vaccine is a whole nother story.
Thank you for sharing this. I am annoyed that this kind of common sense thing needed to be explained. 70% of the country is overweight and there is no diet magic wand that will get us out of this before the morgues are full and the hospitals are overwhelmed.

Anecdotally my friend’s unvaccinated husband who was a normal weight with no preexisting conditions died of Covid. A different friend’s unvaccinated husband weighs at least 400 pounds, has diabetes and high blood pressure, but shook Covid off at home in 5 days taking over the counter medicine. As much as people like to put their faith in being “metabolically healthy” you have no idea how Covid will effect you until you get Covid. And even then you don’t know because plenty of folks have dropped dead in their second round of Covid because the “mild” first round weakened their lungs but didn’t give them immunity.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
As much as people like to put their faith in being “metabolically healthy” you have no idea how Covid will effect you until you get Covid. And even then you don’t know because plenty of folks have dropped dead in their second round of Covid because the “mild” first round weakened their lungs but didn’t give them immunity.
THIS is my overall view. Because of the different impact of viral infections on children's immune systems, pre delta, I would have put my money on a fat 10 year old's survival rate vs a fat 40 year old with the same BMI but even then underlying genetic conditions throw a whole nother wrench into the equation.

Fair point. But many things can be true at once. As far as I know, many people with lower BMI and no pre-existing conditions are keeling over as well. If the pic is right--for a very young child--overweight like that is a legit and concerning pre-existing condition. But it certainly might not have had NOTHING to do with her passing away. The 3rd grader who died in my child's school in August was skinny. My child's PE coach was 40 and healthy/athletic. The other thing that's true is that we do ignore pre-existing conditions because we don't want it to matter. Calling it out makes one feel some kind of way. And trust...I def had weight issues as well. The stress of this spring/summer added a few lbs back that I lost last year and my mile ain't no where 10 mins (thats impressive! KUDOS).

We can never say one's weight caused their demise. We can also never say it didn't. I guess we don't know so it could be moot. I also fall into the category that I JUST DON'T know. Someone may see my butt and be like "well she had a little weight on her/she was fat" I didn't mean for the discussion to go this way.
My beef is not with calling out obesity as a pre-existing conditions. It clearly is and that's why when all these middle aged covid deniers end up surprised on a ventilator I'm like let it rip. I think it's a different situation when a fat 10 year old with an xray showing clear lungs dies of Covid.

Also, I don't disagree that promoting a healthy life style, vitamins and exercise are needed elements. The problem I was alluding to is this notion that well, I did all of that and a year later I was overweight even though I looked great. Shhhhhh my thang was thangin at that point but I was still medically fat.
 

Kanky

Well-Known Member
I don’t think that there is anyone who would disagree with promoting a healthy lifestyle. In the long term it is certainly needed. But some people are hyper focused on that and think that public health officials focusing on the things that we can do address the pandemic immediately means that they are “hiding” or “silencing” discussion about a healthy lifestyle.

Anti-vaccine types and Republicans who want everything open and mask free are actually using the conversation about weight and healthy lifestyle to distract from the fact that they are fine with Covid spreading and people dying because they don’t think it will be them.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
THIS is my overall view. Because of the different impact of viral infections on children's immune systems, pre delta, I would have put my money on a fat 10 year old's survival rate vs a fat 40 year old with the same BMI but even then underlying genetic conditions throw a whole nother wrench into the equation.


My beef is not with calling out obesity as a pre-existing conditions. It clearly is and that's why when all these middle aged covid deniers end up surprised on a ventilator I'm like let it rip. I think it's a different situation when a fat 10 year old with an xray showing clear lungs dies of Covid.

Also, I don't disagree that promoting a healthy life style, vitamins and exercise are needed elements. The problem I was alluding to is this notion that well, I did all of that and a year later I was overweight even though I looked great. Shhhhhh my thang was thangin at that point but I was still medically fat.
AHHH.
Got it. When I was at the weight "I'supposed" to be...I looked sickly. My doctor was like :stop:
I don't think them white folk weights is for us.

With that little girl--I missed that detail. That's wild. I wonder if she had COVID but also contracted some other bacteria? There are situations where children and babies have breathing issues from infections. I just got off the phone with a mom who says her 2 month old spent 5 days in the hospital because she went limp in her hand and they had to intubate the baby. After 3 days of lung support she is doing fine. No COVID flu or strep. She DID have a bacterial infection. Which can cause breathing difficulties in babies and put them out quickly. Its what almost killed my own daughter as an infant. Came down to a bacterial infection. She was on an oscillator. They couldn't find the cocktail of antibiotics to treat it. They called another doc (a woman of course) who gently gathered all their male heads and saved my kid. Certainly could be what happened to this child. The life saving doc, a pediatric infectious disease specialist is now one of her Pediatricians. But she tells me the right cocktails of meds is critical before lung function deteriorates and affects organ function. They need to swab her lungs and trachea. For my child, thats literally where the bug was hiding...
 

Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
I'm still trying to understand why Michigan was hit so hard with covid when it first got here. I haven't gathered my consipracy theories together yet but it's hard to believe it was just time and chance when other cities with more international travel and their own reckless citizens ramped up slowly.
 

PatDM'T

Well-Known Member
So told y'all
how no one
wears masks
at my job
but at least
we were keeping
a record of
temperatures so
we would notice
a spike.

Well, we are
no longer keeping
records and so
we are trusting
people who believe
Covid is a hoax
and who really hated
taking their temperatures
to take them without
any persuasion and
by the honor code,
to exit the bldg
of their own accord
if they show
temps over 100.4
degrees F. :look:
Good luck wi'dat!

I miss days
when I actually
believed common
sense was common.
Whoever thinks
the honor code
works with shady
folks who resist
rules must be
an inbreed.

Oh and someone
took the plug
for charging
the wall thermometer
so the cable is
just hanging
Meaning the thermometer
will soon be dead.
But not my monkey,
not my circus.
I have my personal
oral thermometer.

I will just
worry about me
and let the
circus monkeys
carry on with
the shenanigans.
 
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Black Ambrosia

Well-Known Member
The government not focusing on losing weight given the well known struggle people have with losing weight is logical during a pandemic. Otherwise they'd essentially be patting the skinny people on the back and giving thoughts and prayers to anyone who needs to lose more than 15 lbs. There are too many factors that need to be addressed for the masses to lose weight. People who ignore this come across as self righteous and don't seem to give a damn. And that's fine I guess because we all have something that doesn't impact us and that we might be nonchalant about but those things tend to be mundane whereas this is life and death. Hearing about a "healthy" child passing of covid and then focusing on her weight is telling. Should her parents have sent her to a fat camp? Why focus on weight when you know people can't just snap their fingers and lose weight? Is this a weird flex? I'm not talking about ignoring health factors. I'm talking about an honest discussion of what's possible and realistic for a lethal, rapidly spreading disease.
 

PatDM'T

Well-Known Member
I wonder
whether you
can sue the
hospital if it
is established
it was improper
injecting that is
to blame for
the reaction:
blood vessel
vs muscle.
 

Leeda.the.Paladin

Well-Known Member
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