The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Evolving78

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In the first go-round, weren't we looking at flights from China when most of the early cases to the US/east coast came in through Europe? Two posts before this one talks about flights from China into Italy being half positive.

Why are we doing the same stupidness again?

ETA: Stupidness being just focusing on China and not also the backdoor that is Europe
Because this country is stuck on being racist.
 

starfish

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Anyone who comes into our home who isn’t part of our small bubble (and we have confirmed that their bubble is small too) has to mask up. Housekeepers, construction workers, everybody. One contractor wanted to argue with us about how masks don’t work and he doesn’t have to wear one No, you don’t. You don’t have to have our business either so goodbye. He called my husband later to apologize because its a big job and he said nope. We said what we said.
 

Evolving78

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Anyone who comes into our home who isn’t part of our small bubble (and we have confirmed that their bubble is small too) has to mask up. Housekeepers, construction workers, everybody. One contractor wanted to argue with us about how masks don’t work and he doesn’t have to wear one No, you don’t. You don’t have to have our business either so goodbye. He called my husband later to apologize because its a big job and he said nope. We said what we said.
I was just thinking about this too. I will have workers in my home next week.
 

yamilee21

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This was interesting; I had heard of her, but I didn’t know they were married. I do wonder how common this kind of thing is going to become… people feeling the need to debunk that their loved ones died due to the vaccines.

Grant Wahl Was a Loving Husband. I Will Always Protect His Legacy.

Jan. 8, 2023
By Céline Gounder

Dr. Gounder is an infectious disease physician and epidemiologist. She is the widow of the sports journalist Grant Wahl.

It was the end of the workday on Friday, Dec. 9, 2022. I was wrapping up a Zoom call when my phone started to vibrate with calls, text messages and emails. Gabriele Marcotti, an ESPN journalist, was trying to reach me from Qatar, where he was covering the World Cup alongside my husband, Grant Wahl.

Gabriele’s an old friend. He was at our wedding over 20 years ago. Now, he told me on the phone, colleagues were saying that Grant had collapsed in the stadium press box toward the end of the Argentina-Netherlands match. He had heard that bystanders had started CPR on Grant. I gasped, barely forming the words to ask, “Did he have a pulse?” Gabriele didn’t know. Soon, Grant was transported by ambulance to Hamad General Hospital. It wasn’t until over an hour later that I tracked down a doctor in the emergency department for an update. My Grant had died.
As soon as the news became public, rumors and disinformation began to spread. Amid seemingly inexplicable tragedy, there’s an understandable reflex to grasp onto narratives that could explain how something so shocking could occur. Even those of us who love Grant did so in our grief. But soon strangers began blaming Grant’s death on Covid-19 vaccines, a playbook I know all too well and a move I refuse to let stand.

I knew that disinformation purveyors would blame Grant’s death on Covid vaccines, and I knew what tactics they would use to do so. I also knew that debunking what these people believe head-on in public risks giving them the attention they crave and invites further trolling. But this situation was different from the many others I’d dealt with as an infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist or while serving on the Biden-Harris transition Covid Advisory Board. This was my Grant, and I needed to know what had happened to him. And I knew I had to share that information publicly: Pairing facts with empathy is the best way to disempower trolls.

So, in the days following Grant’s death, I swallowed my grief. I worked to have Grant flown home for an autopsy. It was a herculean task to overcome the various bureaucratic and logistical barriers, and I needed a lot of help. His autopsy was performed at the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner, which is staffed by some of the world’s top pathologists and forensic scientists. I wanted his autopsy results to be unimpeachable.

I got the preliminary results on Dec. 13. Grant’s aorta, the large blood vessel carrying blood from his heart, had ruptured. Once I got the news, my every instinct was to protect the boy I’d met as a college junior. I had to end the rumors and refocus attention on Grant’s legacy. I swallowed my grief even deeper. I put out a written statement the following day. I agreed to interviews with The New York Times, CBS, NPR and “The Peter King Podcast.”

I didn’t respond to disinformation or harassment on Substack or on social media. I didn’t reply to the email that read: “Now you understand that you killed your poor husband. Karma is a *****.” I’ve received these kinds of messages before, including rape and death threats, over the course of the pandemic, but receiving them about Grant was vile, especially as waves of anguish threatened to consume me.

But when these disinformation opportunists recently used the same playbook to blame Damar Hamlin’s in-game cardiac arrest on Covid vaccines, the dam broke. I knew I had to write this essay.

The vaccine disinformation playbook includes the use of fake experts, logical fallacies, impossible expectations, cherry-picked data and conspiracy theories. Not a single qualified medical or public health expert has supported the claim that my husband died from Covid vaccination. Logical fallacies, also known as cognitive biases, are mental shortcuts we use to simplify information, but which also leave us vulnerable to errors in judgment. The most common logical fallacy is to say that because A happened before B, A must have caused B. Given that over 80 percent of the U.S. population has received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine, chances are that most Americans who die today will have been vaccinated, but that doesn’t mean they died from their vaccinations. To be clear, there is no increased risk of death from non-Covid causes after Covid vaccination.

Other logical fallacies include non sequiturs, posing the question while assuming the answer and failing to consider alternative hypotheses. Vaccine disinformationists have incorrectly linked myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle — which is far more likely to be caused by Covid infection than by Covid vaccination — to my husband’s aortic aneurysm. Yes, the aorta and the heart are in the same vicinity, but the relevance stops there. It does not logically follow that Covid vaccination was a risk factor for his condition. Others have called for investigations into his death as if information is being suppressed. I, too, wanted to know what happened to my Grant. Did I miss something? Was there something that could have been done to prevent this? This is why I requested an autopsy.

Vaccine disinformationists have cherry-picked data to support their claims, failing to note that genetic connective tissue disorders are important risk factors for ascending aortic aneurysms (and in my husband’s case the most likely risk factor, as early genetic test results suggest).

When disinformation profiteers leverage tragedies like Grant’s and Mr. Hamlin’s for their personal gain, they retraumatize families, compromise our ability to interpret information and distinguish truth from lies and put all of us at risk. The results of allowing this to continue will be disastrous. Merchants of disinformation argue that vaccines killed my husband, but they’re also at least in part responsible for the return of polio to the United States and the fact that so many children in Ohio are suffering from measles right now. A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that while most of the public still supports routine childhood vaccinations, significantly fewer people support requirements that children be vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella than did just two years ago. In December, Congress repealed a Covid vaccine mandate for troops even though doing so threatens military readiness and puts our nation’s security at risk.

I believe in karma. Even if it’s used against me as a threat. I believe that what we put out into the world shapes our experience of it. Karma is what brought Grant into my life. Karma is what sustained our marriage through trials, adversities and endless work pressures that demanded every piece of us. Karma is why Grant touched so many people’s lives. I was reminded of this at his memorial service in New York City, which was attended by several hundred people in person and many more on Zoom. Karma resulted in tributes in numerous publications, on social media and in private messages.

Grant will be remembered for his kindness, openness and generosity. His legacy is his commitment to seeking truth through reporting, supporting human rights and fighting for equality. I will continue to honor Grant by living by our shared values. I’m channeling my grief into something productive: protecting the public’s health against those who would profit from the suffering of others.

Céline Gounder, an infectious-disease physician and epidemiologist, is a senior fellow at the Kaiser Family Foundation and the editor at large of Kaiser Health News. She is also the host of the podcast “Epidemic.”
 

Lylddlebit

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Regardless of my personal opinions and beliefs, I find it unacceptable to kick folks while they are down and not let them grieve in peace. I mean good grief her husband hasn't even been dead a month. Debate concepts and ideas don't rejoice in personal pain of others and expect to maintain the goodness within you. People using her tragedy as a means of personal attack is disgusting. I never want to understand that type of hatred in a person's heart.
This was interesting; I had heard of her, but I didn’t know they were married. I do wonder how common this kind of thing is going to become… people feeling the need to debunk that their loved ones died due to the vaccines.

Grant Wahl Was a Loving Husband. I Will Always Protect His Legacy.

Jan. 8, 2023
By Céline Gounder

Dr. Gounder is an infectious disease physician and epidemiologist. She is the widow of the sports journalist Grant Wahl.

It was the end of the workday on Friday, Dec. 9, 2022. I was wrapping up a Zoom call when my phone started to vibrate with calls, text messages and emails. Gabriele Marcotti, an ESPN journalist, was trying to reach me from Qatar, where he was covering the World Cup alongside my husband, Grant Wahl.

Gabriele’s an old friend. He was at our wedding over 20 years ago. Now, he told me on the phone, colleagues were saying that Grant had collapsed in the stadium press box toward the end of the Argentina-Netherlands match. He had heard that bystanders had started CPR on Grant. I gasped, barely forming the words to ask, “Did he have a pulse?” Gabriele didn’t know. Soon, Grant was transported by ambulance to Hamad General Hospital. It wasn’t until over an hour later that I tracked down a doctor in the emergency department for an update. My Grant had died.
As soon as the news became public, rumors and disinformation began to spread. Amid seemingly inexplicable tragedy, there’s an understandable reflex to grasp onto narratives that could explain how something so shocking could occur. Even those of us who love Grant did so in our grief. But soon strangers began blaming Grant’s death on Covid-19 vaccines, a playbook I know all too well and a move I refuse to let stand.

I knew that disinformation purveyors would blame Grant’s death on Covid vaccines, and I knew what tactics they would use to do so. I also knew that debunking what these people believe head-on in public risks giving them the attention they crave and invites further trolling. But this situation was different from the many others I’d dealt with as an infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist or while serving on the Biden-Harris transition Covid Advisory Board. This was my Grant, and I needed to know what had happened to him. And I knew I had to share that information publicly: Pairing facts with empathy is the best way to disempower trolls.

So, in the days following Grant’s death, I swallowed my grief. I worked to have Grant flown home for an autopsy. It was a herculean task to overcome the various bureaucratic and logistical barriers, and I needed a lot of help. His autopsy was performed at the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner, which is staffed by some of the world’s top pathologists and forensic scientists. I wanted his autopsy results to be unimpeachable.

I got the preliminary results on Dec. 13. Grant’s aorta, the large blood vessel carrying blood from his heart, had ruptured. Once I got the news, my every instinct was to protect the boy I’d met as a college junior. I had to end the rumors and refocus attention on Grant’s legacy. I swallowed my grief even deeper. I put out a written statement the following day. I agreed to interviews with The New York Times, CBS, NPR and “The Peter King Podcast.”

I didn’t respond to disinformation or harassment on Substack or on social media. I didn’t reply to the email that read: “Now you understand that you killed your poor husband. Karma is a *****.” I’ve received these kinds of messages before, including rape and death threats, over the course of the pandemic, but receiving them about Grant was vile, especially as waves of anguish threatened to consume me.

But when these disinformation opportunists recently used the same playbook to blame Damar Hamlin’s in-game cardiac arrest on Covid vaccines, the dam broke. I knew I had to write this essay.

The vaccine disinformation playbook includes the use of fake experts, logical fallacies, impossible expectations, cherry-picked data and conspiracy theories. Not a single qualified medical or public health expert has supported the claim that my husband died from Covid vaccination. Logical fallacies, also known as cognitive biases, are mental shortcuts we use to simplify information, but which also leave us vulnerable to errors in judgment. The most common logical fallacy is to say that because A happened before B, A must have caused B. Given that over 80 percent of the U.S. population has received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine, chances are that most Americans who die today will have been vaccinated, but that doesn’t mean they died from their vaccinations. To be clear, there is no increased risk of death from non-Covid causes after Covid vaccination.

Other logical fallacies include non sequiturs, posing the question while assuming the answer and failing to consider alternative hypotheses. Vaccine disinformationists have incorrectly linked myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle — which is far more likely to be caused by Covid infection than by Covid vaccination — to my husband’s aortic aneurysm. Yes, the aorta and the heart are in the same vicinity, but the relevance stops there. It does not logically follow that Covid vaccination was a risk factor for his condition. Others have called for investigations into his death as if information is being suppressed. I, too, wanted to know what happened to my Grant. Did I miss something? Was there something that could have been done to prevent this? This is why I requested an autopsy.

Vaccine disinformationists have cherry-picked data to support their claims, failing to note that genetic connective tissue disorders are important risk factors for ascending aortic aneurysms (and in my husband’s case the most likely risk factor, as early genetic test results suggest).

When disinformation profiteers leverage tragedies like Grant’s and Mr. Hamlin’s for their personal gain, they retraumatize families, compromise our ability to interpret information and distinguish truth from lies and put all of us at risk. The results of allowing this to continue will be disastrous. Merchants of disinformation argue that vaccines killed my husband, but they’re also at least in part responsible for the return of polio to the United States and the fact that so many children in Ohio are suffering from measles right now. A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that while most of the public still supports routine childhood vaccinations, significantly fewer people support requirements that children be vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella than did just two years ago. In December, Congress repealed a Covid vaccine mandate for troops even though doing so threatens military readiness and puts our nation’s security at risk.

I believe in karma. Even if it’s used against me as a threat. I believe that what we put out into the world shapes our experience of it. Karma is what brought Grant into my life. Karma is what sustained our marriage through trials, adversities and endless work pressures that demanded every piece of us. Karma is why Grant touched so many people’s lives. I was reminded of this at his memorial service in New York City, which was attended by several hundred people in person and many more on Zoom. Karma resulted in tributes in numerous publications, on social media and in private messages.

Grant will be remembered for his kindness, openness and generosity. His legacy is his commitment to seeking truth through reporting, supporting human rights and fighting for equality. I will continue to honor Grant by living by our shared values. I’m channeling my grief into something productive: protecting the public’s health against those who would profit from the suffering of others.

Céline Gounder, an infectious-disease physician and epidemiologist, is a senior fellow at the Kaiser Family Foundation and the editor at large of Kaiser Health News. She is also the host of the podcast “Epidemic.”
 

Evolving78

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I got it back in October. No zombie symptoms as of yet.
Oh I had them. I’m good now, but I did suffer from some side-effects. I also received the Pfizer brand instead of Moderma. My kiddos had no issues.
Update
I did have symptoms of myocarditis a few days after I received the vaccine. I don’t think I’m fully out of the woods. I have been having spats of breathing difficulties when I’m outside in the cold, or exerting a lot of energy.
 
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Evolving78

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Oh I had them. I’m good now, but I did suffer from some side-effects. I also received the Pfizer brand instead of Moderma. My kiddos had no issues.
Update
I did have symptoms of myocarditis a few days after I received the vaccine. I don’t think I’m fully out of the woods. I have been having spats of breathing difficulties when I’m outside in the cold, or exerting a lot of energy.
I will say this, the person that administered the vaccine - It seems he punctured the skin vs. inserting the needle. He caused all of us to bleed more than usual.
 

yamilee21

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Melissa Harris Perry’s radio show, “The Takeaway” had a fascinating, lengthy segment on the links between the wellness industry and conspiracy theories, tracing it back in part to Nazi co-opting of yoga, among other things.
 

vevster

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Melissa Harris Perry’s radio show, “The Takeaway” had a fascinating, lengthy segment on the links between the wellness industry and conspiracy theories, tracing it back in part to Nazi co-opting of yoga, among other things.
Who cares? I go for the best and so far the best is NOT traditional allopathic medicine.
 

vevster

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I haven't listened to the episode but usually when people refer to the wellness industry they aren't talking about traditional medicine hence the reference to Nazis co-opting yoga.
That is correct. This is not the first time Yamilee is trying to tie the holistic industry to nazis, white supremacists etc. I don't care. I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. Period.
 

Lylddlebit

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At this point I take people being well enough to talk mess as a victory. Covid vaccine free, healthy and thriving... keep thriving. Covid-19 vaccinated, thriving without serious health issues...keep thriving. For anyone on either side who hasn't needed urgent care or hospitalization since your shots, or rejection of the covid shots...please, stay healthy. Staying alive and well enough to talk your ish or simply enjoy your well-being from outside of a medical facility is strongly encouraged from ol Lylddlebit lol.
 

Evolving78

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I feel like this duration is going to increase over the coming years. Didn't we start at 4 to 6 months...?
Well the government won’t be handing out vaccines like candy anymore, even though they were paid for using taxpayer money. We will now have to pay for them directly in the US. There is no free healthcare and those vaccines are expensive.
 
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