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UmSumayyah

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China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World

Beijing is successfully dodging culpability for its role in spreading the coronavirus.


The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come.

[Read: We were warned]

Some American commentators and Democratic politicians are aghast at Donald Trump and Republicans for referring to the pandemic as the “Wuhan virus” and repeatedly pointing to China as the source of the pandemic. In naming the disease COVID-19, the World Health Organization specifically avoided mentioning Wuhan. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders.

China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.

If that weren’t enough, we can plumb recent history for an even more damning account. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.

[Anne Applebaum: The coronavirus called America’s bluff]

The political scientist Andrew Michta has drawn controversy and accusations of racism for stating what any measured overview of the evidence makes clear. “The question about assigning agency and blame is pretty straightforward to answer,” he writes in The American Interest. The Chinese state, he says, is culpable.

But is this a time for blame? Yes, it is. Accounting for responsibility when a disaster happens—particularly one likely to devastate entire countries, leaving thousands dead—is not beside the point, particularly as Chinese officials move to take advantage of the crisis and launch a disinformation campaign claiming that the U.S. Army introduced the virus.

Well before the new coronavirus spread across American cities, the Chinese regime was already rather creatively trolling U.S. publications, expelling American journalists, and “weaponizing wokeness” over anything it perceived as critical of China’s role in mishandling the epidemic. To hear Chinese spokespeople use the language of racism and prejudice is somewhat surreal, considering this is a regime that has put more than 1 million Muslims and ethnic minorities in “reeducation” camps.

Of course, Americans will have to be vigilant against scapegoating Asians in general or the Chinese people in particular. With one of the highest infection rates and death tolls, Chinese citizens have suffered enough. The Chinese leadership, however, is another matter. A government is not a race. It’s a regime—and easily one of the worst and most brutal in our lifetime. Criticizing authoritarian regimes for what they do outside their own borders and to their own people is simply calling things as they are. To do otherwise is to forgo analysis and accuracy in the name of assuaging a regime that deserves no such consideration.

[Lizzie O’Leary: The modern supply chain is snapping]

Those American critics who raise the racism canard are themselves inadvertently collapsing the distinctions between an authoritarian regime and those who live under it. Too many also seem comfortable drawing moral equivalencies between the Chinese regime and Donald Trump. This attitude is hard to take seriously. Trump didn’t block the media from reporting on the coronavirus; he did not disappear his critics. The nature of a regime matters. And this is why I, for one, am glad to live in a democracy, however flawed, in this time of unprecedented crisis.

After the crisis, whenever after is, the relationship with China cannot and should not go back to normal. Nothing, in any case, will go back to normal after the sheer scale of destruction becomes clear. Of course, the rest of the world will have to live with the Chinese leadership as long as it remains in power. But this pandemic should, finally, disabuse us of any remaining hope that the Chinese regime could be a responsible global actor. It is not, and it will not become one.
https://apple.news/Av5Wex4bISnC1Q_wZRVaJvQ
Trump is an egotistical blowhard but we can troll him nonstop, showing our faces and with our real names, knowing that there will be no men in black shades knocking on the door.

As for China, I won't be surprised if most of the world pulls up stakes and keeps it at arm's length going forward.
 

Chicoro

From Shea Butter Hater to Shea Butter Caker!
Possible Red Flag:
ACE Inhibitors (Commonly used High blood pressure medication) and Hypertension (High blood pressure)

Cliff Notes/Summary:
Statistics were broken down of 99% of the people who died from the virus [on a specific day, in Italy]. Of that 99% of people with underlying health issues, 75% had high blood pressure, [and were probably] on medication to control high blood pressure.

Source 1: Video from March 18th, 2020
Doctor Fauci says that, "[...] an ACE inhibitor, can result in an increase expression of the receptor for ACE. So, what is possible for people on ACE inhibitors, a very commonly used drug for hypertension, that they maybe without knowing, increasing the expression of the receptors of the virus itself. [...] There was an article published by Bloomberg, of a medical summary, that 99% of the people who died, had an underlying condition. [...] However, when they broke down the underlying conditions, 75% of it was hypertension, which to me was a bit of a red flag..."

This may mean that when you take a common drug for hypertension, it may create more places for the coronavirus to attach to, in your body.
@10:30 in the video. It is @12:22 in the video where he talks about

Posting video for a second time from March 18th, 2020:



Source 2: Article on Vox from March 13th, 2020

Why Covid-19 is so dangerous for older adults
Older people also have a higher prevalence of chronic disease
The longer we live, the more likely our cells are to replicate in dangerous ways, the more damage they accumulate, and the more likely our organs are to stop functioning normally. This puts us at a heightened risk of chronic health conditions, like cancer or diabetes. Along with already weakened immune systems, these underlying diseases can make it harder for the body to ward off infections. The takeaway: It’s not just age alone that endangers people; it’s being older with one or more chronic diseases.

Among the 105 patients who had died in Italy as of March 4, two-thirds had three or more preexisting conditions. The most common was hypertension, followed by ischemic heart disease and diabetes mellitus.


link: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21173783/coronavirus-death-age-covid-19-elderly-seniors
 

Chicoro

From Shea Butter Hater to Shea Butter Caker!
Black people tend to have high incidents of hypertension and diabetes in the African American community. Someone stated this before me up thread. I am re-iterating this.

Also, children can be vectors or spreaders of the virus. Now is not the time to have elders watching children. Another re-iteration of what was stated by someone else up thread.

There is no data to clinically substantiate this, but there are indicators written up in medical papers.

What to do?
  • Wash your hands
  • Wear masks
  • Isolate and protect your elderly family members
  • Isolate and protect those compromised by high blood pressure and diabetes.
  • Whenever possible, stay away from sick people and crowds.
 

shelli4018

Well-Known Member
My niece in NY appears to have it. Had a telephone appointment with her doctor who said she isn’t sick enough to test. But to assume she has it. Her symptoms are: cough, breathing difficulty and fatigue. Started feeling symptoms 2 weeks ago but thought it was anxiety.

She’s only 26.

My BFF’s niece went to Florida over the weekend to party. She’s currently on FB complaining of body aches. Chalking it up to allergies. But I dunno. I’m stalking her FB page with interest.
 

NijaG

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The US Fortune 500 companies and the Government need to accept their part in why the US is under-prepared for such a crisis.

They need to stop blaming China.

Due to the capitalist corporate structure and need for excessive profits, they allowed essential things (medicines) that shouldn’t be manufactured outside the US in a large capacity to be left in a nation that for more than half the time there is always some political/social crisis or tension between the two nations.

Also..... how many viral scares have being traced to China and still nothing serious has been done to boost this nation’s medical infrastructure in response to future crisis?

Wasn’t there an article on how the current Pres. refused test kits from WHO for this particular virus and a contract was awarded to “a company” from someone in his circle to produce the test, which wasn’t very effective?

Greedy wicked people who are always willing to sacrifice the masses for money.
 

dicapr

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Y'all, I think I've got this thing. I didn't think that I did because I haven't got a fever. I started off with a sore throat and it turned to a cough which is getting worse. If I talk to anyone on the phone I get breathless to the point I've stopped answering the phone. Not able to get tested and can't call the helpline unless "I'm so ill, I can't do anything". It's keeping the number artificially low here in the UK.
Get to a doctor if you canI was like that earlier this year and I had a severe case bronchitis.
 

Guapa1

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Thanks, ladies. Ended up with paramedics round. I'm not bad enough to go to a hospital, thank God.
My oxygen levels were OK. I wasn't tested, but the paramedic said it's likely that it is C-19. I need to stay rested and take paracetamol.

I asked if I should inform the people I've been around and was told I didn't have to because I haven't had an official test and if they have symptoms they should be self-isolating anyway.
That just feels so wrong.
 

rayne

Well-Known Member
This is very helpful

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...t-content-id=BB11qFxE&fullscreen=true#image=1


This Is How to Know If You Should Be Tested for Coronavirus

By now, you probably know that the symptoms of coronavirus include a runny nose, cough, sore throat, aches and pains, and fever. The only problem? Those are also some of the symptoms of the common cold or the flu. And given that we're still in flu season, how do you know if you should treat your symptoms as coronavirus or something less serious? We spoke to Eudene Harry, MD, Medical Director at the Oasis Wellness and Rejuvenation Center in Orlando, Florida, to find out.

Earlier this week, there were numerous reports of people being turned away at hospitals due to strict coronavirus testing criteria from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). On Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence said they would be removing those earlier restrictions on testing for coronavirus, and that anyone with a doctor's order could now qualify for testing. Wondering if your symptoms are "severe" enough to warrant going to the doctor instead of just staying home and drinking fluids? Click through the slideshow above to learn what Dr. Harry recommends.


How do you know if your symptoms are "severe" enough to be tested for coronavirus?
"Our definition of severe depends on various factors, like whether you're young and healthy or older with pre-existing conditions," Harry says. "But, generally, what we ask is whether you have shortness of breath, a high persistent fever, and are unable to eat or drink any liquids—those are signs things are getting more severe."


Your breathing is a big indicator of coronavirus.
Given that coronavirus is a respiratory disease, Harry says that the first question that doctors ask is whether or not the patient is breathing normally and whether or not they have any chest pain. What counts as "normal" depends on the person. If you're a smoker and regularly cough, or if you have anxiety and experience shortness of breath during panic attacks, neither of these would be considered a sign of coronavirus.

"If you usually run out of breath while climbing the stairs, that's not something to be concerned about," Harry says. "But one of the things we look at is whether or not someone can complete a sentence. If they need to take several breaths throughout, that's a sign they're having trouble breathing."


Pay attention to worsening symptoms.
If you wake up with a slight fever and the sniffles, Harry says you should follow the standard protocol for a cold: stay home and rest and drink plenty of fluids. If you find your symptoms getting worse in spite of that, call your doctor, especially if you're older and/or have pre-existing conditions.

"Older people with pre-existing conditions decompensate relatively quickly," Harry says. "With younger, healthier people, there's usually a slope in the decline, which means there's more time for intervention."


Wash your hands often and try to reduce contact with others.
Even if your symptoms are just a cold, it's a good idea to take extra precautionary measures to help avoid infecting others or delaying recovery. While medical professionals have said that face masks will not protect you from contracting coronavirus, they should be worn by those who already have the disease to avoid contagion. That means it's extra important to do things like cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, to wash your hands for at least 20 seconds, and to minimize direct contact with other people as much as possible.

"A common cold can leave you more susceptible to picking up other diseases, and it is possible to have more than one infection," Harry says. "So you want to limit your exposure to other people and have your immune system as prepped as possible."


Listen to your body.
"My final question to people is: 'Are you concerned about your symptoms?'" Harry says. If you feel the same way you usually feel during a common cold, then it's likely to just be a common cold. "But if a patient says something doesn't feel right to them, that's usually a good enough indicator for me to warrant testing," she says.

And if you feel like you're "about to curl up into a ball and die," Harry says, bypass the doctor and go straight to the ER, as you normally would.


Don't panic.
"Panicking doesn't accomplish anything," Harry says. "Panicking often leads us to make bad choices because you're not thinking clearly and can't make good decision. It can give you shortness of breath and wreck you immune system. Just remain cautiously aware."
 

vevster

Well-Known Member
My niece in NY appears to have it. Had a telephone appointment with her doctor who said she isn’t sick enough to test. But to assume she has it. Her symptoms are: cough, breathing difficulty and fatigue. Started feeling symptoms 2 weeks ago but thought it was anxiety.

She’s only 26.

My BFF’s niece went to Florida over the weekend to party. She’s currently on FB complaining of body aches. Chalking it up to allergies. But I dunno. I’m stalking her FB page with interest.
People are walking around positive with no symptoms, my doctor told me the same thing --- no symptoms no test which makes no sense. They are definitely suppressing testing.. this sucks! How are we going to resolve this thing?
 

Ganjababy

Well-Known Member
They are using alternative specimen collection kits already available, instead of waiting for new production, they decided that they can be used for collection of specimens for COVID-19 testing. One of these is the chlamydia culture kits.


Well our police department got 4800 test kits today from the government. I actually got to hold one in my hand. The weird thing is it wasn't even labeled as a corona test. They were labeled as chlamydia test and urea something or other.
That is strange. I hope you got the right test.
 

vevster

Well-Known Member
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/20-ye..._medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_4993557


The tragic 20-year-old soccer coach who is one of the youngest known coronavirus victims had been sent home twice while seeking help — told by his doctor that there was “no need to worry,” according to his family.

Spanish youth coach Francisco Garcia — who would have turned 21 in October — initially thought he had a common cold when he fell ill on March 6, his stepfather, Juan Fernandez, told the Sun.

“He had a sore throat but he didn’t have a temperature,” Fernandez said, with his stepson seeing his doctor in Malaga three days later.

“His doctor told him to take paracetamol [acetaminophen] and sent him home and said there was no need to worry.”
 

dancinstallion

Well-Known Member
Ladies, how are you using the ACV? Gargle/spit? Or lemonade drink?
If you are having symptoms then you need to take it three times a day until symptoms subside.
Fyi.
My throat started tingling/felt like something was in it last night. So I ended up taking 2 tbsp of Apple cider vinegar four times a day mixed in a little water or juice, 2-3000mg vit c 4x day. Gargled with warm salt water with vinegar 3x a day. Half tab of zinc twice a day.
After a few hours I would start to feel the tingling again so doing this 4 x daily helped to spread it throughout the day compared to 3x and it stopped the tingling.

I will taper this down over the next day or two.
 
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