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The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

UmSumayyah

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I think this is a dangerous message that's taken hold of both democrats and republicans. A better idea is to find credible news sources and use discernment.
Mainstream is out then. They were saying it wasn't a big deal right around the time it was shaping up to be an o
Please monitor yourself for symptoms.
It’s only been one week some say it may take up to two weeks for symptoms to manifest in one whose been infected.
Hopefully you weren’t infected by your co-worker at all.
My money is on Vev
 

Guapa1

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Just catching up with the thread. @Ganjababy, sorry for your loss.

On the subject of letting the elderly die, that was their plan all along.

They tried to do a change of plan when the modellers showed how devastating it would be, but it was too late by then.
Of course they've denied this but that is exactly what herd immunity is about. The strong will survive and the weak, elderly or not won't survive.

Coronavirus: Downing Street denies claim Dominic Cummings wanted to protect economy over elderly

Mr Cummings reportedly characterised government’s strategy as ‘herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad’

Downing Street has emphatically denied claims that Boris Johnson’s chief adviser Dominic Cummings initially argued against strict measures that would have protected vulnerable people from the coronavirus outbreak.

A report in The Sunday Times claimed that Mr Cummings set out the government’s strategy in a private meeting in February, which those present characterised as “herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad”.

However, Mr Cummings drastically changed tack after a meeting with the government’s scientific experts weeks later, becoming an outspoken advocate for shutdown measures.

One senior Tory told the newspaper: “Dominic himself had a conversion.

“He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy’.”

Coronavirus: Experts cast doubt on UK plan for ‘herd immunity’
In an unusual public intervention, a Downing Street spokesperson said the comments were a “highly defamatory fabrication” and included quotes from meetings that were “invented”.

The allegation drew widespread condemnation on social media and comes amid concern about so-called herd immunity, a scientific concept which relies on large numbers of people getting the disease and becoming immune as a result.

If enough people become resistant, the virus can no longer spread through the population. However, the idea is controversial as it could put the most vulnerable at risk.

Matt Hancock, the health secretary, recently insisted that herd immunity was not government strategy after the chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance raised the idea.

Mr Hancock said the government’s overriding goal was to “protect life” and herd immunity was “a scientific concept, not a goal or a strategy”.

According to the newspaper, Mr Cummings initially backed the idea of herd immunity as the best way to resist a second wave of coronavirus in the winter.

But the PM’s top aide was said to have had a “penny-drop moment” at a meeting of the government’s scientific experts in March and shifted dramatically towards shutdown measures.

A minister said: “Seeing what was happening in Italy was the galvanising force across government.”

Critics seized on the report, with Labour demanding greater clarity on the government’s strategy to combat the outbreak.

How Dominic Cummings turned the PM from puppet master to puppet
Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, said: “Attitudes like this will not be forgiven and people will be sickened by such comments.

“Boris Johnson needs to show the leadership that this crisis demands.

“We need clarity from government messages and ministers must channel all their energies into protecting people’s health, wellbeing and livelihoods.”

A Downing Street spokesperson said: “This is a highly defamatory fabrication which was not put to No10 by the Sunday Times before publication.

“The article also includes a series of apparent quotes from meetings which are invented.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...son-coronavirus-elderly-economy-a9417246.html
 

Chicoro

From Shea Butter Hater to Shea Butter Caker!


Henry Ford Health officials confirm letter outlining life and death protocols for COVID-19

Phoebe Wall Howard Detroit Free Press
Published 2:39 AM EDT Mar 27, 2020

Henry Ford Health System has officially confirmed the accuracy of a detailed letter being circulated by doctors and others on social media outlining life and death guidelines for use during the pandemic.

The @HenryFordNews Twitter account responded at 11:22 p.m. Thursday to Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, who shared content that appeared to be on hospital letterhead outlining how doctors would make decisions at the Michigan hospital network about who gets treated during the COVID-19 crisis with limited resources.

People had immediately replied with shock and sadness and challenged the authenticity of the letter.

Henry Ford Health System responded directly to Bagley as the response to his tweet grew more heated.

"With a pandemic, we must be prepared for worst case," the tweet said. "With collective wisdom from our industry, we crafted a policy to provide guidance for making difficult patient care decisions. We hope never to have to apply them. We will always utilize every resource to care for our patients."

The original Henry Ford Health System letter that triggered discussion said:

"To our patients, families and community:

Please know that we care deeply about you and your family's health and are doing our best to protect and serve you and our community. We currently have a public health emergency that is making our supply of some medical resources hard to find. Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources. Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan of care and dying patients will be provided comfort care.

What this means for you and your family:

1. Alert staff during triage of any current medical conditions or if you have a Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)/Do Not Attempt Resuscitation (DNAR) or other important medical information.

2. If you (or a family member) becomes ill and your medical doctor believes that you need extra care in an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) or Mechanical Ventilation (breathing machine) you will be assessed for eligibility based only on your specific condition.

3. Some patients will be extremely sick and very unlikely to survive their illness even with critical treatment. Treating these patients would take away resources for patients who might survive.

4. Patients who are not eligible for ICU or ventilator care will receive treatment for pain control and comfort measures. Some conditions that are likely to may make you not eligible include:

  • severe heart, lung, kidney or liver failure
  • Terminal cancers
  • Severe trauma or burns
5. Patients who have ventilator or ICU care withdrawn will receive pain control and comfort measures:

6. Patients who are treated with a ventilator or ICU care may have these treatments stopped if they do not improve over time. If they do not improve this means that the patient has a poor chance of surviving the illness — even if the care was continued. This decision will be based on medical condition and likelihood of getting better. It will not be based on other reasons such as race, gender, health insurance status, ability to pay for care, sexual orientation, employment status or immigration status. All patients are evaluated for survival using the same measures.

7. If the treatment team has determined that you or your family members does not meet criteria to receive critical care or that ICU treatments will be stopped, talk to your doctor. Your doctor can ask for a review by a team of medical experts (a Clinical Review Committee evaluation.)

In recent days, the CEO of Beaumont Health described the current crisis as "our worst nightmare" and the novel coronavirus health crisis as a "biological tsunami." He warned the public of limited supplies and the need to stay at home to limit the spread. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer issued an executive order on March 23 requiring residents to stay in place until April 13.

On Thursday, President Trump discussed providing medical aid with military assistance in New York.

More: Beaumont Health CEO describes coronavirus pandemic as 'our worst nightmare'

More: President Trump slams Gov. Whitmer as he weighs disaster request for Michigan

More: Beaumont Hospital in Wayne closing ER, non-coronavirus patients to be moved as cases surge

Before Henry Ford Health System provided public confirmation on Twitter, Bagley, the Ann Arbor professor with more than 26,000 Twitter followers, removed the letter and wrote at 11:30 p.m., "I'm going to take this down until it can be independently verified. The memo is circulating among doctors, but Henry Ford apparently can neither confirm nor deny it yet."

Minutes later, Henry Ford Health System responded to Bagley.

'Response planning'

The hospital network responded directly to a Free Press request for confirmation, providing a statement explaining that the Henry Ford Health System letter is part of a larger policy document developed for an absolute worst case scenario. It is not an active policy within Henry Ford, but a part of emergency response planning, as is standard with most reputable health systems.

The hospital network provided the following statement after midnight Thursday from Dr. Adnan Munkarah, executive vice president and chief clinical officer of Henry Ford Health System:

“With a pandemic of this nature, health systems must be prepared for a worst case scenario. Gathering the collective wisdom from across our industry, we carefully crafted our policy to provide critical guidance to healthcare workers for making difficult patient care decisions during an unprecedented emergency. These guidelines are deeply patient focused, intended to be honoring to patients and families. We shared our policy with our colleagues across Michigan to help others develop similar, compassionate approaches. It is our hope we never have to apply them and we will always do everything we can to care for our patients, utilizing every resource we have to make that happen."

Contact Phoebe Wall Howard at 313-222-6512 or [email protected]. Follow her on Twitter @phoebesaid.

Published 2:39 AM EDT Mar 27, 2020

https://eu.freep.com/story/money/bu...-ford-life-death-protocols-letter/5085702002/
 

Black Ambrosia

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Mainstream is out then. They were saying it wasn't a big deal right around the time it was shaping up to be an o
I honestly can't agree with this. I'm not suggesting the news is perfect but the fault for the delayed reporting falls on China. They had a vice grip on information flow and deleted social media accounts of dead bodies laying in hospitals and healthcare workers breaking down in frustration. When this thread was started there was discussion of this but it was never clear who to trust. It wasn't until the numbers increased significantly and China couldn't hide the situation that we began to hear about it from mainstream media. I only recall Fox News saying indicating it wasn't a big deal and calling it a hoax. I think everyone here knows they can't be trusted.
 

Peppermynt

Defying Gravity
I’m not sure what else has to happen for everyone (not those reading this thread necessarily) to take this seriously. This is an extinction level event in my mind. This is the spring hit, and there will be another hit in the fall.

My advice is to get your supplies together as best you can and try to batten down the hatches. The U.S. is in big trouble, mostly due to the lack of foresight, leadership and let’s be honest, care, exhibited by this administration. But hey, her emails ... so.
 

Keen

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Couple hosts anniversary party following CDC recommendations, husband contracts COVID-19 | abc13.com

"That was our mistake. We thought we were okay because we had less than 10 people. But no, don't have anyone in your house."






HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- "All we literally did that day was a fist bump, and he was gone," said Kim Gagne.

A fist bump was the last simple touch between a husband and wife of 27 years. Kim Gagne thought her husband, Emilian White, would just get checked out and get tested for the virus but she says, "It went from 0 to 100 quickly."

He had to be rolled away as soon as possible.

"I didn't know what was happening," she said via Facetime.

She hasn't seen him since Tuesday and has only talked to him by phone. Now, she and their children are in quarantine at home.

These past few days have been unimaginable as she wonders when and if she will see Emilian again.

"He's getting better, but, when they took him for a scan, the minute they took the oxygen off, it becomes very difficult to breathe," she said.

This past Friday they were celebrating their anniversary by having a small dinner with a couple friends. Then, over the weekend is when he started feeling ill.

He had a fever. Gagne says you just don't know who's sick and doesn't know it.

"We had people over and that was our mistake. We thought we were okay because we had less than 10 people. But no, don't have anyone in your house," she said.

It's a double-whammy for Gagne because her elderly mother is in a senior living home and she has not been able to see her in person either.

"It's crazy but we are all in this together," she said.
One of our neighbors had a party at their house. I wanted to call the police so bad...
 

Jmartjrmd

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An elder in my family (my aunts father) just died from the virus. I am very close to my aunt. She is devastated. If anyone has any advice on how to be there for her without getting on her nerves I am all ears (eyes). I don’t want to be overbearing with my worry for her (calling and texting asking if she is okay every 5 minutes). Maybe I will post her a care package via amazon...

She is very high risk and is isolated in her house. I begged her not to try and convince anyone to enter her house. We don’t want to lose her too.

This is some terrible times. People dying and you cannot say bye to the body, bury them or go to the funeral if there is one. All those people against cremation have to be reconsidering.
Sorry for the loss of your family member.

For your aunt my best advice is to give her an open door so that if she feels like talking/ reaching out she knows that she can.
I know even now going on year 2 since my husband died I find it hard to reach out when I feel like I need to talk. I feel like people are tired of hearing about how much I miss him or me breaking down at a mere thought of him since for me it happens at any time and any place.
Dont be afraid to talk about her father and use his name or whatever you called him . I had a hard time with people referring to Aj as " the body" since he died in a different state and we had to figure out how to get him home. They'd say how are you going to get the body home. For others the phrasing was trivial but to me it just made him seem like an afterthought.
Don't assume anything, ask. it's the only way you will know how to help.

Dont say everything is going to be ok because it takes a long time if at all for that to occur. I lost my mom in 1997 and it's still not ok.

Mainly just follow her cues and don't forget about her mental health. She needs support now more than ever having lost her daddy and being isolated.

Care package sounds like a great idea and maybe handwritten card if you feel that's safe. I got some from members on this board and at least once a week I read them again.
 

prettywhitty

Well-Known Member
I have not read the whole thread and apologize if this was posted already.

it’s a video graphic of the timeline of the spread and count starting March 1 by country day over day to this past week.

The speed that the US has in its cases in such a short timeframe is chilling and does not bode well for this country, especially with people still thinking the rules don’t apply to them. This is just the beginning.
 

Jmartjrmd

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Stephon Marbury sets up deal to deliver 10M masks to NY amid coronavirus crisis
By Rich Calder

March 29, 2020 | 10:22am


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Former Knicks star Stephon Marbury wants to deliver the Big Apple something it needs even more than an NBA title — 10 million N95 masks for hospital workers and other first responders handling the coronavirus pandemic.

Marbury, who played in the NBA 14 years before moving overseas to become a legend in the Chinese Basketball Association, told The Post he’s made arrangements with a mask supplier in China willing to sell New York 10 million masks “at cost” for $2.75 each – well below the roughly $7.50 that N95 retailers have been quoting the state.

The Coney Island native said he got the idea last week after learning of the state’s lack of protective gear and the astronomical price its been paying for masks. So the now-retired, former point guard decided to reach out to Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, a presumptive 2021 mayoral candidate who has backed Marbury’s local charities in the past, to let him know he’s ready to dish his biggest assist yet.

“At the end of the day, I am from Brooklyn,” Marbury said during a call from his Beijing home. “This is something that is close and dear to my heart as far as being able to help New York.”

“I have family there in Coney Island, a lot of family … who are affected by this, so I know how important it is for people to have masks during this time.”

With China now beginning to recover from the pandemic, Marbury’s mask contact has more N95s than that country currently needs, according to Brooklyn Borough Hall. The gear would be delivered 2 million at a time over five weeks.

Despite the good intentions, Adams’ efforts to connect with Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio’s staff to present Marbury’s offer have gone anything but smoothly.

“We’ve been communicating back and forth with the city and state, and for some reason they are saying they don’t need any more masks, but the hospitals are saying they do,” Adams said Thursday.

However, when contacted hours later by The Post, state Department of Health spokeswoman Jill Montag said she “had no idea who the borough president spoke to” and that the state officials “in charge” of buying masks “want to talk to Stephon!”

Montag then asked a reporter for assistance in trying to connect with Marbury. The reporter helped by connecting the Health Department with Adams’ office since it had the direct pipeline to Marbury in China.

De Blasio spokeswoman Julia Arredondo confirmed Adams did indeed reach out to City Hall but the details after first contact are murky.

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She forwarded a reporter an email Adams sent Tuesday to city officials, along with a response from Daniel Symon, director of the Mayor’s Office of Contract Services. Symon’s note said, “Hello BP Adams. If the N95 check out, that is a decent price. If you’d like to put us in touch with the supplier directly, we’d be happy to vet this and move towards purchase.”

Arredondo said Adams never responded, but Jonah Allon, a spokesman for Adams “we’re not aware of any email asking us to connect City Hall with Stephon Marbury.”

However, Allon said Borough Hall is “open” to working with de Blasio’s team “and want to do whatever it takes to get these masks to our hospitals and first responders.”

Additional reporting by Bernadette Hogan
 

Jmartjrmd

Well-Known Member
Attorney: Houston auctioneer has access to ‘millions’ of masks, ‘truckloads’ of sanitizer but Texas AG stands in way
Jacob Rascon, Anchor/Reporter

Published: March 28, 2020, 12:30 amUpdated: March 28, 2020, 12:44 am
Tags: Coronavirus, Harris County, FEMA, Supplies, Health, Texas, Ken Paxton, Lina Hidalgo

HOUSTON – Houston-area first responders and others could have access to “millions” of additional N-95 masks and “truckloads of hand sanitizer” if it wasn’t for Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, the attorney for Auctions Unlimited told KPRC 2 Friday.

“[The owner of Auctions Unlimited] is trying to maintain his business while the government is trying to destroy it, all so that Ken Paxton can get a stupid headline,” attorney Charles Adams said. “It’s an embarrassment.”

Tim Worstell is a fourth-generation auctioneer. He is the middle man for companies and individuals trying to sell everything from autographed baseballs to N-95 masks.

Large companies have contracted with Worstell since 2018 to sell their surplus N-95 and other masks, which in normal times sell for about $10 a box.
 

Jmartjrmd

Well-Known Member
I've been following her story and it's not looking good. Still praying she pulls through. Now shes on ECMO.
Please Help Paramedic Cadet as she battles Covid19
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Sherry Singleton is organizing this fundraiser.
Christell Cadet is an amazing young woman, sister, daughter, co-worker and friend who has been selfless in her career as an FDNY Paramedic.

Recently, she has become ill, and has been hospitalized in ICU/ Isolation from Covid-19.

She is on Oxygen 24/7.

She is in for a long battle: to recovery and life during her after care.

There is no word yet on when she will be discharged out of the hospital.

Let me tell you more about her:

Christell joined the FDNY as an EMT in January of 2012, nearly 2 years later she became a Paramedic and is currently stationed at Sta 47.

Christell is charasmatic, resilient, funny, and incredibly kind.



She understands the need for EMS during these difficult and trying times. She knows what being on the front lines of the fight against Covid-19 entails. She has always loved being the 1st line of defense and care in emergency medicine.

She wants all First Responders to know: "Take care of yourselves first. Make sure you go home whole at the end of the day."

She wants the world to know: "Everyone is fighting the virus differently. Many thousands are recovering from it but its still a serious issue to be taken with precaution around others."

Christell joined EMS out of love. Love for her community and strangers alike; making a difference in patients lives and helping all those she has come into contact with while working as an EMT and now as a Paramedic.

Please, let's band together, as a community, near and far, young and old,EMS and civilians and help Christell during her battle against Covid-19 and her continued battle when she is released, as her fight won't stop there.



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  • YESTERDAYby Sherry Singleton, Organizer
    Christell has been placed on an ECMO machine.

    She is still on a ventilator and in a medically induced coma.

    Her blood pressure is currently stable and she is tachycardic.

    Please PLEASE keep her in your prayers. Let’s pray long, hard and often.

    Thank you so much for your continued support and generosity.


    Please....Please please share her story and continue to do as she asked us prior to being placed on a ventilator
 

scarcity21

Well-Known Member
A lot of the advice being given is to avoid a panic. By panic they mean “people acting in self interested ways.” Almost all of the advice being given is not in your best interests at the moment. For example:

1. Don’t hoard supplies - supply chains are interrupted. I know people who haven’t been able to find basic things for weeks. Hoarders are ahead of the game. A lot of basic medical supplies are sold out.

2. Don’t sell your stock - rich people and politicians did. I did too, but because I was planning some large purchases and got lucky with the timing.

3. No need for guns and ammo - yeah ok. Meanwhile they are releasing criminals from prison and large numbers of people are out of work and desperate.

4. You don’t need to take out cash from the bank. Cash is king in an emergency. Imagine quarantine plus a natural disaster. Hurricane season and other disasters are not canceled.
#4. Are you guys withdrawing your savings from the bank? What is everyone doing?
 

fluffyforever

Well-Known Member
#4. Are you guys withdrawing your savings from the bank? What is everyone doing?
I have a few hundred in cash, but generally everything is in a bank and I’m leaving money in the bank. One reason is a lot of places around me aren’t even accepting cash to prevent spreading the virus via currency.

Then there’s the fact that paying online or with the card is still the easiest to buy everything I need.

Then there’s the fact that I’m not balling so the little I have saved up wouldn’t be all that useful keeping it in my house when I’d need it electronically to make ends meet while I can before it all runs out.
 

Chicoro

From Shea Butter Hater to Shea Butter Caker!
I’m not sure what else has to happen for everyone (not those reading this thread necessarily) to take this seriously. This is an extinction level event in my mind. This is the spring hit, and there will be another hit in the fall.

My advice is to get your supplies together as best you can and try to batten down the hatches. The U.S. is in big trouble, mostly due to the lack of foresight, leadership and let’s be honest, care, exhibited by this administration. But hey, her emails ... so.

I agree
. In 1918, the second hit or wave was the most virulent and deadly. But, they did not have any vaccine on the horizon.
I posted this up thread:

The Influenza Pandemic started in Spring 1918, which is considered the first wave. The second wave was the most virulent and started in the Fall of 1918. The third wave was the mildest ending in 1919.
 

meka72

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Woman charged after coughing on $35,000 worth of produce at grocery store
by WKRC

Saturday, March 28th 2020




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According to TMZ, Margaret Cirko has been charged with felony counts of terrorist threats, threats to use a "biological agent' and criminal mischief for intentionally coughing on produce at a grocery store. (Hanover Township Police Department)

LUZERNE COUNTY, Pa. (WBFF/WKRC) - A woman has been arrested and charged after police say she coughed on $35,000 worth of produce at a grocery store in Pennsylvania.
 

Kitamita

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/health/covid-19-lung-damage-video/index.html

Video reveals lung damage in US coronavirus patient: 'People need to take this seriously'

A video shows the lungs of a man who had been asymptomatic a few days earlier.


Now, the patient has Covid-19 and his lungs are failing to function properly, said Dr. Keith Mortman, the chief of thoracic surgery at George Washington University Hospital. The Washington, D.C., hospital recently released a 3D video of the coronavirus patient's lungs.
The imagery shows extensive damage to the lungs of a generally healthy 59-year-old male with high blood pressure, Mortman said. Since becoming seriously ill, the patient requires a ventilator to help him breathe, but even on the highest setting, it's not enough. He also needs another machine that circulates and then oxygenates his blood, Mortman said.
"This is not a 70, 80-year-old immunosuppressed, diabetic patient," Mortman said. "Other than high blood pressure, he has no other significant medical issues. This is a guy who's minding his own business and gets it ... If we were to repeat the 360VR images now, that is one week later, there is a chance that the infection and inflammatory process could be worse."


Areas marked in yellow on the video represent infected and inflamed parts of the lung, Mortman said. When the lungs encounter a viral infection, the organ will start to seal the virus off. From the scan, it is clear that the damage isn't localized to a single area, but instead covers massive swaths of both lungs, showing how rapidly and aggressively the infection can take hold, even in younger patients. A patient with healthy lungs would have no yellow on the scan, he said.
The patient remains in critical condition in the ICU.
"For these patients who essentially present in progressive respiratory failure, the damage to the lungs is rapid and widespread (as evidenced in the VR video)," Mortman said in an email. "Unfortunately, once damaged to this degree, the lungs can take a long time to heal. For approximately 2-4% (depending on which numbers you believe) of patients with Covid-19, the damage is irreversible and they will succumb to the disease."

The coronavirus is primarily respiratory in nature. It "gets into the mucus membranes, and then it's in the lung. The way the body tries to control that is with inflammation," Mortman said.
The yellow marks both infection and inflammation. "So you get this pretty strong inflammatory process in the lungs in the body's attempt to control the infection," Mortman said.
Inflammation prevents the lungs from being able to oxygenate the blood and to remove carbon dioxide. That would cause a patient to gasp, or inhale a lot of air to balance the oxygen and carbon dioxide levels

The images suggest that the words to describe common symptoms -- coughing and shortness of breath -- can't really capture the impact of the virus on the body.
In some people, Mortman said, the damage will be irreversible -- making it imperative that Americans heed advice on social distancing and self-isolation.
"I want people to see this and understand what this can do," Mortman said. "People need to take this seriously."
The hospital typically uses the CT imaging technology that produced the video for cancer screenings and to plan surgeries. But for the first time, the technology has now been applied to fighting the novel coronavirus.

"A lot of us, we are walking in the dark with this," Mortman said. "So we want to understand it as best we can. This was our first patient, but I am sure he is the first of what will likely become many in the coming weeks."
 

UmSumayyah

Well-Known Member
I honestly can't agree with this. I'm not suggesting the news is perfect but the fault for the delayed reporting falls on China. They had a vice grip on information flow and deleted social media accounts of dead bodies laying in hospitals and healthcare workers breaking down in frustration. When this thread was started there was discussion of this but it was never clear who to trust. It wasn't until the numbers increased significantly and China couldn't hide the situation that we began to hear about it from mainstream media. I only recall Fox News saying indicating it wasn't a big deal and calling it a hoax. I think everyone here knows they can't be trusted.
1/31 Trump banned travel from China to slow the spread. On 2/1 Washington Post was telling us to get a grip (that was the headline) about Coronavirus because it's not a big deal.

Most people listened to them and Fox and whoever else downplayed it at various times.

Other people decided that new virus + clear Chinese government coverup combined with silencing doctors + freaking out on their citizens = ignore advice of the news and start getting ready.
 
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