The orginal Fine hair thread 2013

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  1. coolsista-paris

    coolsista-paris Well-Known Member

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    Hi to all of you.

    So, the reason why i'm opening this thread is because, yeah ive got fine hair, but especially because to find information for our delicate hair we have to look all over the place.

    So i'm sure there are many other fine haired ladies (naturals and relaxed) out there.

    I'd like this thread to be a place for us to find solutions to our difficulties, give advice, share reggies, products, hair styles,ideas,and all that.

    Something difficult for us : RETENTION !!!! :ohwell: Lets work this out together.

    ALL FINE HAIR LADIES : COME IN HERE AND PLEASE SHARE.:drunk:

    We all need to contribute. Short hair, and long hair : everyone come in and share.

    LETS GO !!!!!

    a few threads below (there was more but that might be too much on here :spinning: :

    Retaining lenght for fine hair ladies :
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=463502&highlight=fine+hair

    longer the hair the shorter it looks?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=675067&highlight=fine+hair

    what leave in for fine natural 4 ab.im lost
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=672441&highlight=fine+hair

    fine haired relaxed/texlaxed:i need ya plz
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=669681&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine haired type 4 naturals MBL and longer...
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=560517&highlight=fine+hair

    any fine hair ladies do crown&glory technique?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=660037&highlight=fine+hair

    FINE Hair and Sew Ins
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=645799&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine hair natural lades..
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=656119&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine Haired Naturals - Bunning Experiences?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=654175&highlight=fine+hair

    Is there a difference between fine hair and thin hair?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=632683&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine & Thin 4a's
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=630667&highlight=fine+hair

    Relaxed ladies with fine hair?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=97609&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine Haired Ladies...What Brand/ Strength Relaxer Do you Use?
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=151805&highlight=fine+hair

    Who has went from Fine to Thick hair.....
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=116680&highlight=fine+hair

    Trim those straggly ends fine stranded ladies...
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=528401&highlight=fine+hair

    Fine haired ladies pls show your hair
    http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=582283&highlight=fine+hair
     
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  2. DarkJoy

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    fine-haired lady here! thanks for this thread!:yep:

    You ain't jokin' about retention! I'm finding the best for my fuzz is to do frequent dustings...and I mean FREQUENT every 6-8 weeks. I seem to be 'growing' faster this way.
     
  3. coolsista-paris

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    First of all, what is fine hair ? (copied on a website):

    After studying African American hair in depth, doctors and scientists have found a lot of common features. Hair of African descent is likely to be very curly, dry, and fragile by nature. Those are the more universal characteristics, but obviously every woman's hair isn't the same. One of the most important differences between hair types is one that's often overlooked when discussing ethnic hair and that is strand texture.

    Strand texture or diameter refers to the size of each individual strand of hair on your head. That's different than the number of strands on your head. You may have a lot of hair, but each of those hairs can be fine, medium, or thick/coarse. People with fine strands usually have a lot more hair than people with coarse strands. The follicles of fine hair are smaller and more closely packed, so the smaller each strand, the more that can fit on an average-sized head.

    This picture shows actual strands of hair that were photographed using a special imaging system. The hair on the left is much finer (or thinner) than the hair on the right. A coarse strand can be 80% thicker than a fine strand.

    ****PICTURE ON WEBSITE ****

    http://www.hairliberty.org/black-hair-care/articles/hair-education/fine-African-American-hair.html


    Strand texture is important because it is closely tied to which products work well for your hair. Differences in strand diameter can result in one person loving a product and another person hating it, especially with regard to leave-in conditioners and stylers. Fine hair requires the most care, so it is important to figure out if your hair falls into that category. Even though ethnic hair needs lots of moisture, using too much product or one that is too heavy can make fine hair look stringy or sparse.

    The only foolproof way to determine your hair's diameter is to measure a few strands using a machine similar to the one used for the picture above, but no one gets that exact. See if any of these scenarios sound familiar...

    Fine natural hair

    •Doesn't hold curls well. You re-twist nightly to keep your curls defined
    •Breaks easily, even when you treat it gently and keep it well moisturized.
    •Is prone to fly aways and static
    •Rarely looks thick enough, even though you have a mass of curls


    Fine relaxed hair

    •Doesn't hold curls well. You have to roller set to get long lasting curls.
    •Breaks easily. Simple combing and brushing results in lots of broken hair.
    •Is prone to fly aways and static
    •Looks thin through the length, even though your new growth feels thick


    Those are just a few things that may characterize fine strands. If you think you have fine or particularly fragile hair, use this tip sheet to remember which products and techniques will work best.


    ==> next post
     
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  4. coolsista-paris

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    10 tips for fine hair

    1) Do a Pre-Wash Oil Treatment before you wash your hair. Over-cleansed hair will be difficult to control.

    2) Use a gentle, conditioning shampoo to wash your hair once or twice a week. High quality shampoos help protect your hair from abrasion during the wash process.

    3) Use rinse-off conditioners that say “dry” or “damaged” hair not “fine” hair. Conditioners labeled for fine hair are usually too light for African American hair.

    4) Experiment with leave-in conditioners and stylers that say “fine” hair on the label. You’ll have to decide if you prefer those over heavier formulas.

    5) Comb and brush your hair as little as possible. Fine hair is extremely prone to mechanical damage.

    6) Be cautious if you opt for a relaxer. Fine hair does not stand up to chemical treatments as well as thicker hair. Always have the relaxer applied by a professional and follow the Hair Liberty Relaxer Checklist.

    7) When you straighten your hair, keep the temperature low. In most cases, it should not be set above 350F. (175 °C)

    8) Consider adding a reconstructing treatment to your hair care regimen. Look for conditioners that list protein (e.g. hydrolyzed silk protein) as one of the first five ingredients.

    9) Schedule a trim every 6 to 8 weeks. The ends of fine hair may split even if you do your best to avoid that.

    10) Be patient if you plan to grow fine hair to long lengths. Its fragility may make retaining length difficult, but not impossible.

    WE CAN DO IT LADIES ! :yep:
     
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  5. coolsista-paris

    coolsista-paris Well-Known Member

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    wow. 6- 8 weeks. Ive been trying to do every 10-12 weeks. Maybe its not enough.

    Im stuck here at the same lenght since december.... oh my. it like maybe growing, but no retention. So im thinking of wearing extension braids in a few weeks. And leaving it in for 4-6 weeks maximum. Then i'll wear my own hair 4 weeks (usually in a bun).

    ill try this out. My own crown and glory personnalized for my fine hair.
     
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    Fine hair checking in. My fine hair refuses to get past bsb, the longest it's been was grazing bsl. It's very difficult, dare I say, impossible to retain and I've been at my hair care journey for several years now. I would also add that fine hair is prone to setbacks, which I'm guessing and hoping has been my problem (and not that it CAN'T get longer). Protein overload and Matting and dreading , both unintentional, kept screwing with my progress, and stupidly I had used the flat iron one too many times last year. I had gone on a 7 year stint of no direct heat that made my hair fuller, but not very much longer. My ends and retention drive me insane! I am prone to splits. Anyway I tried to make a thread like this awhile ago, so I hope this one stays around, like a support thread to give us some encouragement be ause I know it can feel like I'm putting years an dears of hard work on my hair and the smallest tiniest mistake messes me up.
     
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    I'm a fine, low density, 4a, APL natural.

    What's been working for me is consistency (sticking to my co-washing/DCing, daily moisturize/seal schedule), twist-outs (keeps my hair stretched), protein (in the form of diluted Neutral Protein Filler that I do not rinse out), and patience.

    My regimen is:

    *Cowash with Trader Joe's Tingle Treat. Detangle, rinse.

    *Apply Whipped Shea Aloe Emulsion to air dried hair and rinse the following evening (24 hrs).

    *Apply leave-in to air dried hair. DC the following morning with DC cocktail of cone free conditioners, oils and glycerin and under the dryer for a total of 60 minutes. Let hair cool down. Detangle, rinse.

    *Let hair air dry for a few hours before spraying with NPF, moisturizing with Texas Natural Supply Creme Base Lotion I and glycerin and sealing with Blue Magic Coconut grease.

    *For the rest of the week, I'll spray with water mixed with a tiny bit of glycerin, use my lotion as a leave-in/styler and seal with my grease until the next cowash.

    I truly believe I will make BSL or longer by the end of this year. My hair is THRIVING :yep:.
     
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  8. coolsista-paris

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    i feel you.my last relaxer was december 2007. i made.lots of mistakes at first... but after knowing my hair better im stuck here àt bsb-bsl.
    and it looks apl even flat ironned. :-(

    i hope this thread will stay around and help us all.
    we need to go for thé same objectif : fuller,stronger hair + retention !

    so lets stick together until we make it (crossing fingers)
     
  9. coolsista-paris

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    wow. you really need à whole weekend to do all that isnt it?

    i bet your hair is happy you do this. do you wash in sections? detangle with wet hair ?

    i have some blue magic coconut. smells good but i stopped using it (afraid of thé petrolonium). im silly because it does lock moisture Well on my hair.

    you wash every week then right?

    i wash every 2 weeks. but i dont know if i'll change to 1 week.maybe it will give me.more moisture.
     
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    Thanks for this thread.
    Checking in.

    I think the main issue we have with our hair is how to keep manipulation low AND in a protective style because when you have fine hair it's hard to keep it looking neat for more than a few days. Those fine hairs just start to fly up and frizz out of those twists, plaits or cainrows. You can look like Miss Fuzzy even though you just twisted 3 days ago.

    Constant moisturising for weeks without washing just doesn't work because products easily build up on our hair, even with the most natural of products.

    Detangling and washing is a very delicate process and CANNOT be rushed (I have just come to terms with this and being patient and light-handed is something that is learnt and takes practice)

    Finger detangling is not quite what it says on the tin. When you have fine hair you have to pull the strands apart individually before you can even think about raking your fingers through it (this I have also recently learned. When ladies on here post about finger detangling they are not being specific in exactly what they mean). My hair is like a spiderweb that is meshed together - cannot rake my hands through that unless it's soaking wet and has a very slippery conditioner. Aussie Moist 3MM is the biz for that.
    If you don't have time to detangle then don't do it. Leave it for when you do have time otherwise you will get alot of breakage hacking through the tangles/knots.

    When you are viewing YouTube vids look for ones that have Fine Hair in the title. You will fine alot of tips specifically for you.

    That's all for now!
     
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    Subbing to this thread. I don't have fine hair but one of my sisters does. She started her hair journey in December and hasn't made that much progress. So any tips you could share would be greatly appreciated
     
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    Yup ita! These r things that I hv been doin 4 yrs! Also, I did learn the hard way that my hair doesnt like any chemical treatments, COLOR included! So as long as I stay away frm color, protective style & keep up on my protein/ moisture balance, I am much of the growth that I am getting. No "magical" vitamins,lotions/creams or rinses.
    In my opinion, good nutrition + good hair practices + PATIENCE = length & hair health goal attainment! :)
     
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    Fine Strand Texturized/Texlaxed Lady chiming in.

    All I can say is looks can be deceiving. I will admit, my hair is thick in density, but I wouldn't mind having thicker strands. I've learn how to retain length with fine strands, but having them can still be a pain. For example, I hate how my hair looks when weighed down with product. Its limp and stringy and ughhhhhh :(.

    I'm loving this thread already and can't wait for the different tips and tricks :).
     
  14. coolsista-paris

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    twists....oh my i had lots of trouble with them . i stopped that 2 years ago ...looks à mess à few days after then becomes tangle city.

    i tried à lace front (ended up loosing thé edges.....)i liked it though. had conrows underneath and i baggied sometimes.

    i really want to try braids again .but finding an appropriate protective style is hard!

    im wearing à bun but...i dont see retention at all! :-(
     
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    you are lucky because at least you know how to retain. please share what you do with pleasure :)

    i felt like texlaxing for thé last 5 months... i might end up doing it one day( waiting to reach my goals).

    ps: when i flat iron it looks....limp if weighed down. i hate it! so i end up spraying it to make it look bigger. but then its not that straight . oh my this hair!

    when i rollerset it fuller though. do you rollerset? it might help.
     
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    I just stopped doing twists.
    I'm now air drying in my anorexic plaits :lachen: I have huge hair but of course very thin strands - I only have about 13 plaits in my hair but when I pull them all back my head looks so big like I don't have any hair. I just cannot go through the week looking like that so my non-manipulation plans for the week have been foiled. Going to have to undo them tomorrow.

    I can't wear wet bun at all :nono:. Firstly I look like I'm 6 years old with all that frizz at the front and top. That means I would have to wear a headband and I hate the way they look on me. Wet buns also means I'll have to detangle a birds nest :ohwell:

    I have given up on wigs - none blend with my hair and they rub the hairline too much.
    Braid extensions cut into my own hair - a thick fake piece of hair will win anytime over my poor spiderweb strand :lol:

    For the first time today I actually took my time is washing and detangling. It was very enlightening for me because I realised just how much damage I was doing before, I'd say I cause about 80% of the breakage I get and the rest is because I hadn't found the right products. There is no use in me copying what those thick haired ladies do.
     
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    Subbed. I'm abandoning my beloved LOC method permanently for a moisturising spritz instead. Ran out of some wash day supplies after dcing so I just spritzed my hair and left it in a bun. Took it out, it's glossy and moisturised but feather light.


    Usually, at this point in the weekend, I'd be walking around like some BP oil spill.
     
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    coolsista-paris

    Well, as all us fine strands ladies know, our hair tangles like a *BLEEP*. So I've learned that for my hair to remain knot or tangle free I have to detangle once everyday or every other day. I've also realized that my fine strands love protein, so twice a month I do a reconstructive treatment to keep them nice and plumped.
     
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    Subscribing. OP could you perhaps place links to previous fine hair threads in the original post?

    My main problem is with trimming. I find that I trim too much and cut away my progress and as such I'm wary of frequent dusting. Do you ladies straighten to trim/dust? I would be grateful if someone would post how they dust. TIA.
     
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    lol. bird nest! yup

    at work im supposed to wear à chignon....o can not do that like my collegues .every day à perfect chignon= no!

    so i wear à bun...but my hair gets fuzzy and looks Ugly!!!!! what else can i do anyway?? i cant flat iron all thé time. we are not allowed to have hair past neck lenght ,no braids. so....this is just too much for me. i really dont know what to do.
     
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    did you make your own spritz?
     
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    completely jelly of you ladies who have seen BSB, BSL, hell even CBL! I haven't seen that since my first relaxer when I was 14. After that? NL to SL and I'm turning 40 this year:nono:. I just BC July 2012 so willl see if these new techniques help my natural puff.

    On protective styling: You can't win for losing with that. For example:

    Fine haireds keep it loose and your ends get eaten up. keep it in cornrows and braids and it can break, particularly the hair right on the parts.

    I just learnt the latter and am a little annoyed. I wasn't even doing them tight or for very long periods! The cornrows were so loose they start to unravel after a week but only held together by the synthetic hair. Two weeks in cornrows for crochet braids, then a week loose was the regimen...well, after this last install I see I have 'permanent parts' or areas where the hair broke at the part lines.

    Wigs? I lose my edges too. IDK what to do.

    Henna, protein, and grease on the ends keeps me retaining at this point. Actually, retained a lot with the crochet braids, but it's not worth having my already low-density hair look thinner. I have to wear it out. It feels like the options are so slim.
     
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    mine love protein too.
    i use apoghee 2 min reconstructor every right 2 weeks.

    but nothing between.so i dont know if i should start washing every week instead of 2.
     
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    yeah great idea . im gonna post thé links tommorow. (which means what day for you? later lol? )im in france. thé time différence. :)

    dusting:
    I either dust on dried stretched twists all over my head. I clip each end of à twist.

    or if i do flat iron : to each small section i flat iron then cut. do thé same all over to each flat irroned section
     
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    Yeah, 100ml distilled water, 1tbs coconut oil, 1/2 tbs aloe vera juice and rosewater for scent. Keeping it in the fridge 'cause of the aloe which is a little annoying because I'd like to have it on hand but the coolness and Ph balancing lays our fine cuticles nice and flat ---> less tangles, more shine, more moisture retention. Bye bye shea butter. :grin:
     
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    Sounds like braid outs are your best bet. To get a well defined hairline i HAVE to flat twist or cornrow that area. The hair at the front dries super fast, glossy and defined for me without gel. Having a cornrowed hairline -Braid out is the only way I can wear my hair in a bun but it has to be re-d one every night.
    Do 2 or 3 on the hairline about an inch deep.
     
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    Oh my gosh this thread is right on time! I have fine, 4ab med-high density hair that Matt's up at the roots quickly. I'll be back to share some things I've learned later, just wanted to rep us fine haired ladies!!
     
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    thé options are very low!!! we need to find.more.

    i wear à bun every day but...its not retaining enough . i have no choice its for work.....

    stretching mine is better for me though.

    oh. i have à half wig here, that i never wear:

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    i thought i should conrow or flat twist the frontt,put thé halfwig at thé back then à nice adult headband.
    it looked cute. i didnt try it for long.

    im gonna try taking off shine from thé wig (usually works with dry shampoo spray)
     
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    Also ladies, heavy sealing has been heavenly on my tresses. I have incorporated a modified LOC method for daily moisturizing (LCOB/P).

    I always seal my ends with a butter or pomade and it keeps my hair from tangling towards the ends. I find that this is the place where my shed hair hair tends to tangle up. The butter keeps my hair moist which keeps the hair from tangling.

    I hope this makes sense :lol:.
     
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  30. MyCoilsGoBoing

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    Fine-haired lady, here. I'm natural. My main problem is that my hair strands love each other, and my hair mats like nobody's business. It's maddening. I should be in the shower detangling my hair, but instead I'm on here, lol.
     

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