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Wash And Go, To Grow And To Dazzle 2020 Challenge

LavenderMint

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I tried the Deva Curl conditioner. I like it but I want to try it against the decadence to make sure it is the right consistency.

I'm still working on getting my UFD and water ratio right. And I'm wondering if I should leave the Aunt Jackie's alone until I figure it out and just use ICH.

I sat under the dryer for 30 minutes :look: Then I just blow dried it and it looked much better. Blow drying helps my curls to clump.

I'm still feeling bah humbug about my hair :lol:

@toaster, We aren't talking about cutting in April either right?

I talked to the company I bought my color from and they said they made the color thicker last month. Sheesh! So the color just really sat on my hair and that is why it washed off like a semi-permanent. So going to just buy the permanent color from Madison Reed. It should be here in a week or so and I will color it at the end of the month. As you can see from my photo my roots are already gray again :lol:


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but the gray roots mean your hair is growing and that’s a WIN!!
 

LavenderMint

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Faye in the City (I think that’s right), tried the BGC wng “method” with UFD & kinda gave an overview of it. The majority of the comments were as expected when it came to “no butters, oils, grease” and “no leave-in”. There were some other natural hair youtubers from her circle in the comments. Black Girl Curls commented, in their typically somewhat abrasive way, and Faye was quite gracious in her response.
A Love 4 Me did a “car chat/rant” (her title, not mine) about the idea of no oils/butters. It’s only around 15min but I couldn’t watch it when it popped up. But the comments last night were mostly about how stylists 1- always want to sell you something, 2- really don’t know as much as they try to seem & as a result 3- are the root of the reason why BW hair has historically been messed up. There’s a LOT of natural hair stylist distrust that I was only peripherally aware of.

Overall, it seems like this is going to be the new big & divisive topic for a while. I kind of wish it wasn’t. A lot of the natural hair YouTube space seems to revolve around quick results not cumulative results and that’s not how this works. It’s going to be interesting & if the past digital salon was anything to go by, I bet both videos have already garnered very different responses in the new digital space from those on YT.
(I’m just waiting for someone to complete the circle of messiness and ask AHG about it on a live watch because of course.)
 

faithVA

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@LavenderMint What's happening on YT?


There are a couple of things happening as far as I am aware. There are people who are/were doing a detox challenge and it was said the A's weren't credited. There is also controversy over oils and butters and YT people are saying whatever. There appears to be some people somewhere saying that they detoxed and it didn't work. The FB event today is to discuss how the detox works and why it may not have worked for some people.

Sorry if I repeated with LavenderMint said. I wrote this before reading hers.
 

faithVA

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Faye in the City (I think that’s right), tried the BGC wng “method” with UFD & kinda gave an overview of it. The majority of the comments were as expected when it came to “no butters, oils, grease” and “no leave-in”. There were some other natural hair youtubers from her circle in the comments. Black Girl Curls commented, in their typically somewhat abrasive way, and Faye was quite gracious in her response.
A Love 4 Me did a “car chat/rant” (her title, not mine) about the idea of no oils/butters. It’s only around 15min but I couldn’t watch it when it popped up. But the comments last night were mostly about how stylists 1- always want to sell you something, 2- really don’t know as much as they try to seem & as a result 3- are the root of the reason why BW hair has historically been messed up. There’s a LOT of natural hair stylist distrust that I was only peripherally aware of.

Overall, it seems like this is going to be the new big & divisive topic for a while. I kind of wish it wasn’t. A lot of the natural hair YouTube space seems to revolve around quick results not cumulative results and that’s not how this works. It’s going to be interesting & if the past digital salon was anything to go by, I bet both videos have already garnered very different responses in the new digital space from those on YT.

I want to ask you about the spoiler but I can't ask without disclosing the spoiler :lol:

Anyway, it is messy. And I think part of the messiness, is this business of I know everything and if you don't do it this way then what is wrong with you. And even if you do know, if I don't want to do it your way, then why are you all up in my business. Now, I'm someone special so let me tell everyone how wrong, silly, simple, etc. you are. And this need to not allow for any way but just one way.

There are people who have had wash and go systems long before this one that worked for many people and still work. There are people who have been doing wash and goes for a long time and don't do it this particular way and it works fine for them.

I'm in the alum group but I just keep my mouth closed. Some of the people and the post aren't meant to promote learning but ridiculing people and things they don't agree with.

I'm all for sharing but it really bugs me when people want to shove what they think down your throat and I think that is why there is some of the push back.

Woosah!
 

GettingKinky

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Probably. I think they have been talking about it already. The FB alum group is all up in arms about all kinds of things and they are consistently looking at YT and IG to find the enemy.
I find this so funny. As much as I loved the digital salon they are definitely a little cultish. And they were constantly making fun/putting down people who were doing “all the things” to their hair.
 

LavenderMint

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I want to ask you about the spoiler but I can't ask without disclosing the spoiler :lol:

Anyway, it is messy. And I think part of the messiness, is this business of I know everything and if you don't do it this way then what is wrong with you. And even if you do know, if I don't want to do it your way, then why are you all up in my business. Now, I'm someone special so let me tell everyone how wrong, silly, simple, etc. you are. And this need to not allow for any way but just one way.

There are people who have had wash and go systems long before this one that worked for many people and still work. There are people who have been doing wash and goes for a long time and don't do it this particular way and it works fine for them.

I'm in the alum group but I just keep my mouth closed. Some of the people and the post aren't meant to promote learning but ridiculing people and things they don't agree with.

I'm all for sharing but it really bugs me when people want to shove what they think down your throat and I think that is why there is some of the push back.

Woosah!
The YT in the spoiler always seems to get dragged into some mess either by actually being high key shady or misunderstood lol I don’t agree with everything they say but I watch to learn about new YT talents. That’s how I found Afope & I loooooove her.
To me, some of the pushback (on YT) seems to be a desire to stick to what is traditionally done & acknowledged and not even consider other viewpoints.

I agree 200% with your thoughts. I’m so rarely on fb & I don’t know how the lives work but I wish I could see this. I think it could be interesting & informative. I just started watching Jennifer Rose & I like her too. It’s sad that they feel like they should be the one and only purveyors of information or that they’re first.
Sometimes the digital salon was like that too, less learning, more ridiculing. I really didn’t like that & it felt like a failing of the purpose. I understand enthusiasm but it almost feels like some people feel the need to proselytize & recruit new converts. (@GettingKinky you hit the nail on the head: “cultish”) But what works for some doesn’t work for all and that’s as it should be.
 

DVAntDany

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I've been growing out my tapered cut since April 2018. It's not hard but I've just accepted that my back and side will remain short until I'm ready to get it evened out. And three years later I have yet to make that move lol.

Idk if and when I will to be honest. I know for certain I won't be getting a tapered cut again.

This is where I started.
Thanks. I scheduled an appointment with a Cut It Kinky stylist for May. A cut is included in the appointment. Hmm, I might try to keep my length.
 

DVAntDany

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AG Boost and/or either one of the Innersense conditioners, ICH if they had it. In store, I saw that Ulta was running a BOGO 1/2 off sale on AG products - I guess the girls cleaned them out, lol. I didn't see any Innersense products at all. I'll just order them online.
When I went into Ulta to find Innersense, none of the staff seemed to know what I was talking about. Also the liter sized bottles of the AG Boost and Balance are online only.
 

DVAntDany

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:cry: I know. I miss my puff. I miss my twist. I miss having enough hair to put up into something.
You and me both.

There is a positive though. You can’t use a puff or twists as crutches. You’ll be forced to figure it out. That means you will more than likely figure it out sooner than later. It’s like going through the “awkward” stage of growing locs.
 

DVAntDany

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I’ve been breaking out on my forehead and my right cheek. I wonder if it’s the jello shot. That would be really sad.
I’ve made lots of changes to my skincare and this one change to my hair care, I’m going to start trying to figure it out with skincare products first, but I may have to get rid of jello shot. :-(
I have been breaking out too since using UFD, but my skin has turned into a oil refinery recently. I’m assuming your skin hasn’t changed on you like mine. I hope it’s not the Jell-O shot since you really seem to like it.
 

DVAntDany

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@Bette Davis Eyes i watched Aishia’s live Instagram about people “copying” the 30 day hair detox on YouTube and not citing I am back girl curls as a source.

I can definitely see both sides of that argument, but overall, nothing you put on the internet remains solely yours. People will adapt and make it their own/ share/ hear about it from someone else and not know where it really came from.

I credit their platform for teaching ME about no oils and butters and how to do a wash and go.

Now where they completely lost me, and @DVAntDany please let me know if you know differently, but on the live I read in the comments that their book was being updated and if you have previously purchased the book you’d get an email update.

BUT if you’re in the paid see some curls platform, you also get an additional portion of the book that those not in the platform won’t get?!

I thought the book was its own separate thing. And it was in e-book format so it could be updated for past owners.

This doesn’t sit right with me, personally. At the very least we should get the option as book owners to pay extra for the addendum. I don’t want to join see some curls.
From what I understand, you are correct. The people who previously purchased the book will get an email for the addendum to the book. Anyone new will have to join See Some Curls to get access to the book and its addendum.

They received too many questions from people who purchased the book but never joined the Digital Salon. To remedy the problem, they are requiring people to have at least 30 day access to the visuals in the resource library in order to purchase the book. It looks like they want people to visually see what the book is talking about before asking questions.
 

DVAntDany

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Right - because I was introduced to to hydration/no oils/butters from Hydrabar Salon first - and then I came on to the board and heard of the As. At this point, there are others out here with similar philosophies so to see someone on Youtube discussing them doesn't necessarily mean they're "plaigiarizing" their message. But hell, that's also the way of the internet these days, so... shrug.
I see Maya from the Doux saying the same things. To be honest, I think they may learn most of this stuff in cosmetology school. Hair is hair. Most cosmetologist are not going to coat your hair in straight oils and butters. Depending on your state, not all braiders or natural hair specialist are cosmetologist. They are going to shampoo your hair multiple times when you are at the bowl. They put a limited amount of products in your hair that they use on practically every customer when they come in.

There are a few different or innovative things that these wash and go specialist are doing in their methods. I think the A’s have been strong in their message, but the concept of no oils and butters for textured curly hair is not original. Even in the loc community, I was team no oils and butters also and never heard of the As.

If you have ever had a real BKT, you will learn pretty fast why you don’t want to use anything heavy like oils or butters. The only thing new the A’s are saying is not to use those products for wash n goes and twist/braid outs.
 

faithVA

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You and me both.

There is a positive though. You can’t use a puff or twists as crutches. You’ll be forced to figure it out. That means you will more than likely figure it out sooner than later. It’s like going through the “awkward” stage of growing locs.
You are optimistic and I appreciate it. :lol: If we weren't in covid and I had to go into the office, I could probably say I would have figured it out by now. It's been a year and I haven't figured out much. :ohwell: I will keep trying for now.

I may have to accept that I am not a wash and go girl and that wash and goes may eventually go by the way side as I get length.
 

GettingKinky

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You are optimistic and I appreciate it. :lol: If we weren't in covid and I had to go into the office, I could probably say I would have figured it out by now. It's been a year and I haven't figured out much. :ohwell: I will keep trying for now.

I may have to accept that I am not a wash and go girl and that wash and goes may eventually go by the way side as I get length.
What don’t you like about your hair with wash n gos?
 

DVAntDany

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UFD users, how long does it take you to use up a bottle?
I not too long ago bought a small bottle from Target. My hair is short, but I seem to have to use a lot to get the squish and hang from it. Yes, I know use lots and lots of water.

I’ve used it 4 times now since I purchased it. It’s hard to tell how much is left in that hard plastic bottle. I’ll see if it actually last me even 4 weeks. I wash ever 3 to 4 days.

The more product I use, the better it looks. The stylist I will be going to has me using only UFD for wash and goes as part of her new client detox.
 

faithVA

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What don’t you like about your hair with wash n gos?
What do I like? I like that my hair isn't dry and I like playing with my coils sometimes. The end! :lol:

For me this is a lot of work. I have to do my hair at least twice a week. It has to be dried. It gets smooshed so it has to be reset, which may or may not work. My hair maybe looks decent 2 days out of the week if I'm lucky. So far finding a repeatable process has not worked. I go from hard helmet head to fluffy frizzy hair.

Now if it were twist. I put it in up within an hour for flat twist, 2 hours for 2 strands and I'm done for a week to 10 days. I take my bonnet off and I'm out the door. If I'm really pressed for time, I rinse in my twist and get another 4 to 7 days out of it.

Maybe when my hair is longer I will feel differently. But for me it is a lot of work for little pay off. It isn't as if my hair is looking cute when I'm done.

I do appreciate that following the A's my hair is hydrated now. I just haven't gotten to a point where I enjoy it or appreciate it yet.

Anyway. I think I'm going to take a posting break and not talk about my hair until the end of April and not take any pictures.
 

faithVA

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I’ll miss you @faithVA !! If you take a break, enjoy it and ride your bike a lot and enjoy the hopefully nice spring weather!

You’ll come back with more hair and lots of fresh air.
I'm not going anywhere but thank you for missing me. I'm going to hang out in here and just not post anything about my hair. But I can still join the conversation. :yep: It will be like old times.
 
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