Discussion in 'Hair Care Tips & Product Review Discussion' started by Alma Petra, Dec 13, 2018.
I found another combo for Wetline!
I washed with TMC Ancient Egyptian Shampoo, then used VO5 Strawberries & Cream as my detangler + r/o. I sectioned my hair into 6s.
I smoothed Garnier Fructis 1 Min Mask Damage Repair (Papaya Extract), followed by Wetline Xtreme Clear Gel onto each section. I'm currently air-drying my hair.
I recently found this in stash and I forgot it could be used as a leave-in...
I'm actually dedicating this week to figuring this brush out!
Last night, I was trying it and being patient, and like...some of my curls boinged into oblivion....like the clumps !!!! And some of my hair was like....
What I was noticing was the way in which I held the brush influenced the result of the curls. So for example, at the nape of my hair, I got major clumping action when I put the brush behind my hair and brushed forward towards my face. And I mean root to ends clumps/definition. But doing that same method on different areas of my hair caused my hair to just poof with no definition. I was trying to watch myself in the mirror to catch and see how I was holding the brush and what I was doing with my wrist at all times. I think my left side came out better, but I'm thinking it's because I'm left handed and so there's an easy translation of me watching myself in the mirror and knowing what I'm doing with my left hand on the left side, whereas when I do the right side, I'm still using my left hand but I'm getting confused with what I'm doing when looking in the mirror (on several levels, I hope that makes sense).
It also helped when I took hair in small thick clumps (rather than like thin, flat pieces) but still I had to be aware of how much hair I was brushing per section.
Also, I discovered that my hair does nothing when wet; it's like my strands are just super resistant to being manipulated to curl when they're wet. Initially, I was running the brush through damp hair that was coated in gel rather than hair that had been sprayed down by water with gel on top. And then at one point, I remember taking a previously clumped curl via the brush and rewetting it to see if I would get more definition if I wet and then gel'ed and then brushed. And I had less definition, like my hair just poofed and I effectively ruined the curl that I had managed to get clumped on just the damp gel'ed hair.
I'm currently using Eco Style Olive Oil. I also have the Uncle Funky's Curly Magic and I feel like it works better on less wet, more damp hair, especially because it's already liquidy/slimy which makes my hair more wet, which as I mentioned above makes it harder for me to actually create definition. The more wet my hair is, it seems, the less effective styling products seem to be.
@CurlyWhoCrux thanks for the detailed information. Maybe I need to set aside a Saturday to try when I’m not rushed on my way to work.
Last week's hair situation.
Day 10 of a wash n go.
Having some major dryness issues this week... I keep doing olaplaex treatments every time I wash, and it keeps jacking up my hair.
We shall see. (currently deep conditioning)
Okay sorry I didn't mean for this to sound like a how-to, I was just initially commenting on denman brush solidarity, and then I started reflecting on my results so far.
10 days!! That’s amazing- your hair looks great. What do you do with your hair at night? How do you refresh in the morning?
Don’t apologize. I love all the details.
I love the How-to and your discovery process... you sound exactly like me this summer, when I found out the Denman actually works for me.
Once you get the hang of it, it'll be your staple.
I almost bought another one this weekend.... but had to stop myself...cuz that's just greed... lol
My hair is finally getting longer, and I figured out a proper pineapple stretch at night that works for me.
My curls don't move at night with this stretch, and my wng looked better each day (people smiling at me and stopping me to talk about my hair...)...I didn't want to wash this wash n go out at all!
In the morning I just use Shea Moisture' jbco leave in conditioner, shake and go....
It truly is a wash n go
you put the conditioner in a spray bottle with water?
SM JBCO & safflower oil after a water rinse last night. I put my hair into a puff with Softee Perfect Edge Control. I forgot how good Shea Moisture leave-ins can be.
I wash my hair 2x a week. Once with a very gentle shampoo and once with a stronger one. I usually get subpar result when I use the gentle shampoo because my hair never absorbs enough water. But this week I got great results with my gentle shampoo. I’m not sure why. I definitely spent a lot of time getting my hair wet and making sure I shampoo’d very thoroughly. And I made sure that I squished my conditioner I very well- especially at my roots. Maybe that’s the difference....
even the frizzy part of my bangs is behaving.
I guess I’ll see what happens next week.
Attempt 2 with the Denman brush. My thoughts, keeping in mind that for now, I'm trying to achieve as much root to ends definition as I can (not just definition on the ends)
I am basically convinced that my hair does nothing when wet in terms of curling and clumping. I could not even begin to explain to you why this is the case. It's almost as if the water that's contained in products is enough for me (at the styling stage and with the brush).
I'm gonna go buy some Wetline to see if that works better than the Eco for hold.
I ran out of Eco halfway through doing my hair and I had the UF Curly Magic and it was just really slippery/watery and it didn't encourage my curls to stick together once a brush went through it. I ended up twisting my hair in those sections and then doing like a twist bantu just so that those areas (which are at my crown) will at least shrink up to the same length of the rest of my hair. With that being said, this area of my hair in general is just resistant to curling.
Basically I've recognized that there's at least three learning curves with this brush and with achieving clumped curls:
The position of the brush/my hand when defining my curls.
As a sub-curve, the hand in which I hold the brush - I tried using my right hand while doing my right side and that went slightly better than when I just was using my left hand for my entire head
How much hair I'm trying to brush at once - Sometimes it seems like having a good amount of hair is better and sometimes I need less hair. With less hair in the brush, sometimes it seems like I'm gonna get more clumping definition on the entire length of hair, not just the ends. But sometimes less hair just results in stringy frizz with no attempt at curls
How much product/water/gel is in my hair - So far, I've been doing my routine with a leave in conditioner, a curl defining cream, and then gel. Next time, I'll try skipping either the conditioner or the cream. I'm thinking the cream because the conditioner will keep my hair detangled and soft out of the shower. But I think having all three products keeps my hair too wet (re: first bullet point).
The shrinkage is definitely present in the areas where I was able to successfully curl a good amount of length.
There's some body in the areas where the curls do get clumpy.
I really think that achieving clumped curls is going to help with things like hair health/appearance, length retention, and maintaining hydration because the curls are gonna be compacted together keeping all of the moisture in, not tangling on themselves causing bad ends, and having a broader surface to reflect light off of so more shine too.
I am a daily cowasher, so it'll be interesting to see if by say next Tuesday, my hair has gotten better.
This is my hair now as I’m air drying it. Keep in mind these are the more successful areas of my hair. But you can also still see some parts where the hair didn’t want to clump up so just frizz out instead.
I’m going to use these pics as reference and see what my hair is looking like next week with more practice, change in techniques, and a different gel.
What do I do with my hair tonight and in the morning?
I tried the DevaCurl Curls-on-the-go kit products yesterday and air-dried overnight. I woke up with a failed twist-out, morphed into a semi-fro that honestly wash shaped like this things wings: ; I then hopped in the shower for a quick rinse, used the cream and wound up looking like /JayZ.
After dodging every mirror in the house I finally I put on some makeup and a headband. I feel better about the fro now but Sheesh I didn't expect it to be this challenging to my ego.
AGAIN: What do I do with my hair tonight and in the morning? Will it fluff bigger on day 2? I can't hide out inside another day.
Is your hair high porosity? This is how my hi-po hair behaves. There is nothing I can put on it that will have any effect when it is wash day wet because there isn’t any room for products to absorb. Figuring out that my hair can only be damp (at most) was a big game changer for retaining moisture (which sounds like an oxymoron but it’s been working). Your hair might not be interested in clumping/curling when completely wet because it’s weighed down by the water it’s already absorbed...? The back of my head is like that especially, the rest just needs a suggestion of water to curl up
We all need more of this in our life:
This not only warmed my heart, It made me determine to learn to manage my unrestrained natural hair
I got my second Deva cut yesterday and I’m loving it. When I got my first cut back in May it was the first time I got my hair cut in a style in YEARS and I wasn’t sure I liked it. And she used so many products in my hair and I hated the way it felt.
This time she said my hair was in better shape so she used fewer products and I love the styling. I may switch from kinky curly styling products to Deva.
Any pics? I want a hair cut. Ive grown out my previous cut
To all the type 4s who diffuse your wash n gos:
a. Why do you diffuse?
b. How long after you apply you products do you diffuse?
im thinking of incorporating diffusing before stretching with a blow dryer to reduce time, but I’ve seen videos of people saying you should wait a few hours to dry first.
No I have really low porosity hair and I actually think it's because water sits on top of the strand and then products just slip off. So I have to learn to wait for things to absorb before I try to add more stuff.
Today as I was failing with the Denman brush again, I realized that I need to do some sort of protein treatment. I'm going to try to do a clay mask. What I notice with the brush is that some sections of hair will stay together to curl and some will frizz out, so I think they need more structure/protein.
Also, lately I've been having better success with cowashing because I've been doing some form of squish to condish where I periodically add water into my hair while cowashing/conditioning it. So today when I was doing my hair, I applied gel, and then went back and added water (rather than wetting my hair first and then adding gel) and that seems to work better. I almost take back my assumption that my hair doesn't like to be wet, it's that my hair needs to be wet in a certain order.
I asked for this. My hair looks similar but not exactly the same.
I'm trying out a fluffier wash n go for All Hallows Eve
(if this is a fail, I'll wash it again)
I co-washed with Garnier Fructis Sleek N Shine Conditioner (so much slip), detangled, and sectioned my hair into 6s.
I used TMC Tropical Moringa Endless Moisture Restorative Spray, followed by Mixed Chicks Leave-In (as my styler) onto each section. I smoothed on a little Organic Safflower Oil to seal. I'm currently air-drying my hair.
that’s a good discovery.
I’ve been thinking about buying the DevaCurl B’leave-in, but I’m worried because it has protein and I don’t know if I want to add protein to my hair that often.
But I also have 2 unopened containers of KCCC and one almost full container. That will last me a looooong time. I guess I can put the decision off for awhile.
I want to try the dyson diffuser. If I could dry my hair in 15 minutes or less I think my day 1 hair woes would be over. But $400 is a lot of $$$$
mans I would need to be able to use it as soon as I finished applying my products. I don’t have time in the morning to wait for my hair to partially dry before I diffuse.
A. I style my hair soaking wet so I diffuse so I'm not walking around with wet hair and my hair needs to be 95% dry before I go to bed. I wash after work most times.
No. The shea moisture is a creamy texture.
I just take a small handful and run it down the length on my hair to open it up...shake.... go.