Why is there so much hate for Jesus Christ and christianity on a whole?

[Shimmie]

I think it is his people and what they do. The hypocrisy is what people hate.

I am a Christian and I dislike Pat Robinson for making Obama out to be Kenyan last coming of Christ.

The mix of religion and propaganda politics has left me feeling real mad.

I did not grow up in the era of 60s and the good people of the Church were carrying bibles by day and hoods by night. I grew up after that so I bought into alot of lies and it is really starting to show.

I believe the bible and I have a relationship with Christ but I question a lot of interpretation and I allow God to judge people and not man.

You know what Adele? I felt the same way; I did not like the disparagments that Pat Robertson placed upon Obama; and I felt this way throughout the entire Obama campaign and well after he was elected as our President.

However, in the allowing the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart, I have begun to open my eyes and sadly, much of what has been said is true about President Obama.

All I can see in this man is how much 'against' God's Word, his actions and policies have been. He has gone out of his way and has done more for the gay agenda then any other president and he has gone too far.

I even had to see and admit that he has done more the gay agenda than he has for 'world peace' and the ecomomy of ths country.

And .....

Drum roll here........ (brrrrrrrrrippppp)

He has done more for the gay agenda than he has for his own race... "Blacks".

I have lost respect for him.

 

[Poohbear]

Ephesians 5:27
"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."


1 Peter 4:1-2
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God"

 

[Poohbear]

I am one of them. That is not what my faith teaches and believes. They back it up by scripture. A lot of times, people put human limitations on G-d because they do not fully comprehend that sacrifice nor His grace. I think that we are often clouded by our own family experiences as representative of what G-d is.

Guitarhero, can you ellaborate on your belief in regards to people other than Christians getting into heaven? If you do not feel comfortable posting here, you can send a PM if you like.

 

[Poohbear]

You know what Adele? I felt the same way; I did not like the disparagments that Pat Robertson placed upon Obama; and I felt this way throughout the entire Obama campaign and well after he was elected as our President.

However, in the allowing the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart, I have begun to open my eyes and sadly, much of what has been said is true about President Obama.

All I can see in this man is how much 'against' God's Word, his actions and policies have been. He has gone out of his way and has done more for the gay agenda then any other president and he has gone too far.

I even had to see and admit that he has done more the gay agenda than he has for 'world peace' and the ecomomy of ths country.

And .....

Drum roll here........ (brrrrrrrrrippppp)

He has done more for the gay agenda than he has for his own race... "Blacks".

I have lost respect for him.

Shimmie

Really!?!? @ the bolded...

I've been out of the whole political arena. What has Obama been doing to support the gay agenda?

I wish there would be more done for Black people who really want help. One thing I think of is to write off student loans for those who have completed their education! *Okay... getting off subject here*

 

[Dellas]

You know what Adele? I felt the same way; I did not like the disparagments that Pat Robertson placed upon Obama; and I felt this way throughout the entire Obama campaign and well after he was elected as our President.

However, in the allowing the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart, I have begun to open my eyes and sadly, much of what has been said is true about President Obama.

All I can see in this man is how much 'against' God's Word, his actions and policies have been. He has gone out of his way and has done more for the gay agenda then any other president and he has gone too far.

I even had to see and admit that he has done more the gay agenda than he has for 'world peace' and the ecomomy of ths country.

And .....

Drum roll here........ (brrrrrrrrrippppp)

He has done more for the gay agenda than he has for his own race... "Blacks".

I have lost respect for him.

I have not uttered my feeling for Obama and believe you me....it is not much different.

I just think we are upholding one law/standard and forgetting others. We say we want smaller gov'nt by giving doing giveaways to the rich and taking from the poor then we say to the poor trust God, look for charity in the church,...

I just think that the issue is much more complex.
I vote for someone not just because of one or two issues but Character and a multitude of policies.

What is your policy about the poor and needy?
What is your policy toward greed?
What is your Character?
......


I argued with a friend about Abortion.
This guy hates Abortions and calls it murder but he is the most arrogant, self centered person I know. Is outward sin just as bad as inward? Sin is sin?

I told him I was on the fence and while I personally don't believe in it, I don't believe other people's choices should be taken away because of my belief. I don't believe Christianity should be a yoke about people's neck that someone is forced to accept because....

1) All safety nets are gone and the only Charity is Christian charity so...your forced to accept Christianity.
2)etc...

I think you win people to Christ by your actions and your love not by rules. I think there are more policies out there that are just as important as gay rights and abortion. Has or will anyone address Vegas or Porn. NO.


I know many (older) Christians believe that oral sex is against God. Don't let me start talking about anal sex. I am not going to say what I believe but they believe that God is punishing people with HPV throat cancer for partaking in such things. They would like such things punishable in a court of law.


Remember interracial dating was once portrayed as being against the word of God. I think gay people pay taxes and it is fair that they get there fair share of their tax dollars. It is not my right to judge them by taking their choice away. Can I say I believe that that lifestyle is wrong, because of my personal religion and belief....heck yeah.


I have seen this many times before....those who judge are judged themselves. America needs judgment. What they are doing politically and dismantling many of working peoples' rights will set the stage to get us there.

 

[Guitarhero]

@Guitarhero, can you ellaborate on your belief in regards to people other than Christians getting into heaven? If you do not feel comfortable posting here, you can send a PM if you like.

It's in our catechism and counciled upon (is that a word?). Those, who through no fault of their own (rejecting outright when understood who the Messiah is and what He does) do not know Jesus but live according to the truth in their own religion or environment, carrying it out to the best of their ability, do not merit hell simply for not knowing Jesus. So many do not believe that our works get us to heaven...but that is anti-scripture (on our side) because faith without works is dead. The grace is fully free but how does one demonstrate and incorporate into one's life? Through works. It doesn't exclude those who do not know Jesus.

 

[Shimmie]

I have not uttered my feeling for Obama and believe you me....it is not much different.

I just think we are upholding one law/standard and forgetting others. We say we want smaller gov'nt by giving doing giveaways to the rich and taking from the poor then we say to the poor trust God, look for charity in the church,...

I just think that the issue is much more complex.
I vote for someone not just because of one or two issues but Character and a multitude of policies.

What is your policy about the poor and needy?
What is your policy toward greed?
What is your Character?
......


I argued with a friend about Abortion.
This guy hates Abortions and calls it murder but he is the most arrogant, self centered person I know. Is outward sin just as bad as inward? Sin is sin?

I told him I was on the fence and while I personally don't believe in it, I don't believe other people's choices should be taken away because of my belief. I don't believe Christianity should be a yoke about people's neck that someone is forced to accept because....

1) All safety nets are gone and the only Charity is Christian charity so...your forced to accept Christianity.
2)etc...

I think you win people to Christ by your actions and your love not by rules. I think there are more policies out there that are just as important as gay rights and abortion. Has or will anyone address Vegas or Porn. NO.


I know many (older) Christians believe that oral sex is against God. Don't let me start talking about anal sex. I am not going to say what I believe but they believe that God is punishing people with HPV throat cancer for partaking in such things. They would like such things punishable in a court of law.


Remember interracial dating was once portrayed as being against the word of God. I think gay people pay taxes and it is fair that they get there fair share of their tax dollars. It is not my right to judge them by taking their choice away. Can I say I believe that that lifestyle is wrong, because of my personal religion and belief....heck yeah.


I have seen this many times before....those who judge are judged themselves. America needs judgment. What they are doing politically and dismantling many of working peoples' rights will set the stage to get us there.

Adele, I'm listening to you.

I'll be back to comment. I have to finish a project at my desk. I'll be back during my 'break'. Okay? :Rose:

 

[Guitarhero]

You know what Adele? I felt the same way; I did not like the disparagments that Pat Robertson placed upon Obama; and I felt this way throughout the entire Obama campaign and well after he was elected as our President.

However, in the allowing the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart, I have begun to open my eyes and sadly, much of what has been said is true about President Obama.

All I can see in this man is how much 'against' God's Word, his actions and policies have been. He has gone out of his way and has done more for the gay agenda then any other president and he has gone too far.

I even had to see and admit that he has done more the gay agenda than he has for 'world peace' and the ecomomy of ths country.

And .....

Drum roll here........ (brrrrrrrrrippppp)

He has done more for the gay agenda than he has for his own race... "Blacks".

I have lost respect for him.

Shimmie, Robertson is dangerous, period. I do hope that people read up on what he has and is still doing. It's disgraceful (regarding Africa). As for Obama, he just is the one who stepped into the arena at this particular point in time. We have a republic. It's the people who put them into office and carry out the laws we so desire to govern us. He cannot stand in as an oligarch. Are there portions of the republic that do not approve, you betcha. But the majority wins out. Through it all, we strive to make a just society, not just a "christian" society. It must be so for all. Abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia of our elderly and infirmed...all issues that reared their heads long ago. He doesn't stand as our christian in power, he stands as President of the country.

This is the difficulty for Obama, even Clinton. Bush claimed up and down his evangelical beliefs yet he's a bigger crook than Nixon. Sigh...what to do? In that case, it becomes an individual stand, an individual walk toward Christ. Because, just as we are one Body, we all give individual accounts. All these points are well-taken, imho. I surely believe in the separation of Church and State. I wouldn't wish for interference from either towards the other.

As far as doing for Blacks, that's not anything he has ever admitted to be on his agenda. He made it perfectly clear during the elections that he is not a Black president nor the Blacks' president...he simply wished to be President. To be honest, there's a lot more he could have done for our Native Nations first, especially considering the Freedmen issues of the Cherokee. The Creek Nation is going to be next in a huge class action suit! And I know folks who are chiefs-in-training awaiting this chance! Anyhoo, I knew that when Obama was made adoptive son of the Crow, and he ignored the Freedmen, the Dineh regarding uranium mining, natural resources on our reservations all through the country and silence on the issues...as we wait...he has not necessarily made good on his promises that our issues are first. I could go on and on... The AA community has way more than we do (I speak on a cultural basis) even with this horrid 55% unemployment...for many of us, it's 75% and higher.erplexed I know what you mean and I agree to some extent.

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie

Really!?!? @ the bolded...

I've been out of the whole political arena. What has Obama been doing to support the gay agenda?

I wish there would be more done for Black people who really want help. One thing I think of is to write off student loans for those who have completed their education! *Okay... getting off subject here*

Pooh, I'll be back a little later. Just wanted to let you know that I acknowledge your reply. :Rose:

 

[Rainbow Dash]

It's in our catechism and counciled upon (is that a word?). Those, who through no fault of their own (rejecting outright when understood who the Messiah is and what He does) do not know Jesus but live according to the truth in their own religion or environment, carrying it out to the best of their ability, do not merit hell simply for not knowing Jesus. So many do not believe that our works get us to heaven...but that is anti-scripture (on our side) because faith without works is dead. The grace is fully free but how does one demonstrate and incorporate into one's life? Through works. It doesn't exclude those who do not know Jesus.

This is not true. Christ is the Way, then how can this be. The scripture is very clear on this. Why would God send Christ to atone our sins if knowing Him was not necessary. We cannot make ourselves righteous. Christ blood on the cross is the only thing that.

Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and Life, No man comes to the Father except through Me. What does this scripture say to you? It is very clear.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that Whom ever believes on Him will not perish but have everlasting Life.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Romans 3:19-24

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie, Robertson is dangerous, period. I do hope that people read up on what he has and is still doing. It's disgraceful (regarding Africa). As for Obama, he just is the one who stepped into the arena at this particular point in time. We have a republic. It's the people who put them into office and carry out the laws we so desire to govern us. He cannot stand in as an oligarch.

Are there portions of the republic that do not approve, you betcha. But the majority wins out. Through it all, we strive to make a just society, not just a "christian" society. It must be so for all. Abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia of our elderly and infirmed...all issues that reared their heads long ago. He doesn't stand as our christian in power, he stands as President of the country.

This is the difficulty for Obama, even Clinton. Bush claimed up and down his evangelical beliefs yet he's a bigger crook than Nixon. Sigh...what to do? In that case, it becomes an individual stand, an individual walk toward Christ. Because, just as we are one Body, we all give individual accounts.

All these points are well-taken, imho. I surely believe in the separation of Church and State. I wouldn't wish for interference from either towards the other.

As far as doing for Blacks, that's not anything he has ever admitted to be on his agenda. He made it perfectly clear during the elections that he is not a Black president nor the Blacks' president...he simply wished to be President.

To be honest, there's a lot more he could have done for our Native Nations first, especially considering the Freedmen issues of the Cherokee.

The Creek Nation is going to be next in a huge class action suit! And I know folks who are chiefs-in-training awaiting this chance! Anyhoo, I knew that when Obama was made adoptive son of the Crow, and he ignored the Freedmen, the Dineh regarding uranium mining, natural resources on our reservations all through the country and silence on the issues...as we wait...he has not necessarily made good on his promises that our issues are first.

I could go on and on... The AA community has way more than we do (I speak on a cultural basis) even with this horrid 55% unemployment...for many of us, it's 75% and higher.erplexed I know what you mean and I agree to some extent.

GV... President Obama is not 'that' naive that he doesn't know right from wrong. He is literally kissing the 'butts' of the gay community. It's almost as if he doesn't want to appear to be 'Black Focused'.

I'm telling you clear from my heart, he is behaving like soooooo and waayyyy too many Blacks who get into a power position, and they 'kiss up' to the whites to appear unbiased to their own race.

The irony is that he only empowering the white supremacy including those whom you call 'dangerous' in Ministry (i.e. Pat Robertson). By focusing on the demands of the gay agenda (gay marriage, putting them into high positions in his office to prove he's not homophobic, etc.).

And you're right Precious One... he is not a 'Black' president. He's gay! Kissed up; straight up politically gay! Their weak agenda was far more impressive and far more important to him for political gain.

And to keep this thread on topic... if anyone wants to call someone a hypocritical 'Christian'... he's the 'Billboard' poster for it. For did he not claim and proclaim to be a Christian throughout his entire campaign? Did he not take full advantage of the prayers and coverings of those who believed he was such?

The sad thing is that he has done 'Blacks' and the Lord Jesus Christ an injustice; he has totally disregarded the values of Christianity and those who put their hearts into getting him elected. The very ones who stood by him and he's literally behaving like the sterotype Black man who abandons his family members who gave him life.

*Pausing* .... Just to make it clear that I'm not typing in fury. I'm quite calm; just sharing my Obama observations.

President Obama is a shining example of 'Fake Chrisitanity'. He is the stirring of threads topics such as these...hypocrite.

I honestly don't believe that there are any true Christians in politics. Either they've been hushed to silence and non-existance or they simply do not exist. For where God is, so is His power and His presence made known.

The Black communities profit nothing from the gay agenda....NOTHING! If nothing more, it tears it down. The strong family men are weak and feminized. The women outnumber the men among those gendered as men. The schools are still in a shambles in the Black inner cities. Drugs are still previlent and growing; Black youth are still increasing the jail population.

And this is what he chose for those who carried him to the White House. And the Blacks still love him; the same as a child who still loves the absent father; Blacks still support him and will kill anyone who'd dare harm him, gays wouldn't do it. All they did was complain that he wasn't doing enough for them and he chose to bow to their demands...

When you speak of separation of Church and state... it's not so. The comment made by one of the gay leaders is that they have only gotten a 'bite' of the apple, but they want the whole thing. The whole thing includes silencing the Church via the government rule.

Please do not be blind as to not see this. For by redefining the definition of marriage, trust me, this is the bite of the apple for them and silencing the Church is the entire consumption.



I am a Rose without thorns, meaning that I am not speaking from hate nor anger, nor am I out to hurt anyone; I speak truly in love . :Rose:

 

[Laela]

About Obama...he still is president. He comes up in corporate prayer and when I pray for our leadership (senators/mayors, etc), whether they are saved or not. In doing so, we're not honoring them, but God himself. It's not the same thing as defending or backing his policies or what his personal spiritual life is.

Daniel lived under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar and helped him with his dreams but still openly prayed to God; Joseph lived under the rule of Pharaoh, refused to sin against his God, but helped Pharaoh with his dreams. Both were used by God to minister to these kings. The difference between them and the likes of Robertson, et al, is there was absolutely NO compromise. IOW, no politicking was involved. Daniel's and Joseph's allegiance was to God, not the authorities. Big difference, no?
[I'm not accusing anyone of not praying for authorities, just interjecting this into the conversation]

I Timothy 2:1-2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

You know what Adele? I felt the same way; I did not like the disparagments that Pat Robertson placed upon Obama; and I felt this way throughout the entire Obama campaign and well after he was elected as our President.

However, in the allowing the Holy Spirit to speak to my heart, I have begun to open my eyes and sadly, much of what has been said is true about President Obama.

All I can see in this man is how much 'against' God's Word, his actions and policies have been. He has gone out of his way and has done more for the gay agenda then any other president and he has gone too far.

I even had to see and admit that he has done more the gay agenda than he has for 'world peace' and the ecomomy of ths country.

And .....

Drum roll here........ (brrrrrrrrrippppp)

He has done more for the gay agenda than he has for his own race... "Blacks".

I have lost respect for him.

 

[Shimmie]

About Obama...he still is president. He comes up in corporate prayer and when I pray for our leadership (senators/mayors, etc), whether they are saved or not. In doing so, we're not honoring them, but God himself. It's not the same thing as defending or backing his policies or what his personal spiritual life is.

Daniel lived under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar and helped him with his dreams but still openly prayed to God; Joseph lived under the rule of Pharaoh, refused to sin against his God, but helped Pharaoh with his dreams. Both were used by God to minister to these kings. The difference between them and the likes of Robertson, et al, is there was absolutely NO compromise. IOW, no politicking was involved. Daniel's and Joseph's allegiance was to God, not the authorities. Big difference, no?
[I'm not accusing anyone of not praying for authorities, just interjecting this into the conversation]

I Timothy 2:1-2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

I just figured out "IOW" ... In other words...

I thought you had a new name for me.

I'm so glad that you brought up Daniel and Joseph... no compromise. They answered (interpreted) the dreams which God was 'speaking' to these leaders who were not in fellowship with Him.

When Obama repealed DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) he went too far. He has opened the floodgates to disaster; he should have left that alone. And the only thing that is keeping him alive ARE the prayers and the love of those he's turned his back on. He's gone too far.

He, himself proclaimed in his campaign that he solidly believed marriage to be defined as that between a man and a woman. And he stated so as a Christian. He didn't backslide, he didn't back peddle; he blatantly dishonored the foundation of God's order. He opened a flood gate for this sin to abound and made legal in this country. He opened a floodgate for schools to poison the minds of innocent children by including homosexuality as part of everyday living; he opened a floodgate for the Church to be silenced and not speak God's truth about it.

Of all things for a man to known for, this will be it. And it's a joke. A Black man who's only accomplishment as president was to appease gays.

 

[Shimmie]

Laela...

What I shared in my post above is 'on topic' with this thread title.

Here's why, Loved one...

What I shared above is why MANY folks 'hate' Chrisitans...

I still meant what I said in my post above, but I just wanted to make a point by example.

And Yes, I'm being a 'smartie'... But not towards you or anyone else.

This is si;mply one of the things that folks say they hate Christianity or Chrisitians when something is said against what they hold allience to no matter what it is.

:Rose:

 

[Laela]

^^ I understand, Shimmie! No offense taken and good points about the effects of ObamaNation on Christianity as a whole.

Not disputing that at all...

 

[Shimmie]

^^ I understand, Shimmie! No offense taken and good points about the effects of ObamaNation on Christianity as a whole.

Not disputing that at all...

I know 'Love'

You understand me. And trust that takes a WHOLE lot of Jesus, which you have... to do so.

I don't know how you and Nice & Wavy put up with me for so long...

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie

Really!?!? @ the bolded...

I've been out of the whole political arena. What has Obama been doing to support the gay agenda?

I wish there would be more done for Black people who really want help. One thing I think of is to write off student loans for those who have completed their education! *Okay... getting off subject here*

I have not uttered my feeling for Obama and believe you me....it is not much different.

I just think we are upholding one law/standard and forgetting others. We say we want smaller gov'nt by giving doing giveaways to the rich and taking from the poor then we say to the poor trust God, look for charity in the church,...

I just think that the issue is much more complex.
I vote for someone not just because of one or two issues but Character and a multitude of policies.

What is your policy about the poor and needy?
What is your policy toward greed?
What is your Character?
......


I argued with a friend about Abortion.
This guy hates Abortions and calls it murder but he is the most arrogant, self centered person I know. Is outward sin just as bad as inward? Sin is sin?

I told him I was on the fence and while I personally don't believe in it, I don't believe other people's choices should be taken away because of my belief. I don't believe Christianity should be a yoke about people's neck that someone is forced to accept because....

1) All safety nets are gone and the only Charity is Christian charity so...your forced to accept Christianity.
2)etc...

I think you win people to Christ by your actions and your love not by rules. I think there are more policies out there that are just as important as gay rights and abortion. Has or will anyone address Vegas or Porn. NO.


I know many (older) Christians believe that oral sex is against God. Don't let me start talking about anal sex. I am not going to say what I believe but they believe that God is punishing people with HPV throat cancer for partaking in such things. They would like such things punishable in a court of law.


Remember interracial dating was once portrayed as being against the word of God. I think gay people pay taxes and it is fair that they get there fair share of their tax dollars. It is not my right to judge them by taking their choice away. Can I say I believe that that lifestyle is wrong, because of my personal religion and belief....heck yeah.


I have seen this many times before....those who judge are judged themselves. America needs judgment. What they are doing politically and dismantling many of working peoples' rights will set the stage to get us there.

Poohbear and Adel10

I relate to what you have shared. I think I may have responded to your posts (somewhat) in my reply to Guitarhero. (formerly Volver).

I hope that I have not come off as offensive to either of you or anyone else. If so, I apologize.

:blowkiss:

Sincerely meant.

 

[locabouthair]

I didnt know people had such a strong dislike for Christianity until I came to this board.

 

[Shimmie]

I didnt know people had such a strong dislike for Christianity until I came to this board.

Neither did I. As a matter of fact, I thought that this entire forum was Christian, until one day when I made a post showed who I was... and after that it was on

 

[Poohbear]

Poohbear and Adel10

I relate to what you have shared. I think I may have responded to your posts (somewhat) in my reply to Guitarhero. (formerly Volver).

I hope that I have not come off as offensive to either of you or anyone else. If so, I apologize.

:blowkiss:

Sincerely meant.

Thanks Shimmie. No, you have not offended me.

Guitarhero, I didn't know you were Volver Alma Gitana! You're always changing your screen name!!!

 

[Guitarhero]

@Poohbear and @Adel10

I relate to what you have shared. I think I may have responded to your posts (somewhat) in my reply to Guitarhero. (formerly Volver).

I hope that I have not come off as offensive to either of you or anyone else. If so, I apologize.

:blowkiss:

Sincerely meant.

I don't have to hide anything, Shimmie. Yes, I am formerly Volver. Reason for the name change...new subscription since mine expired and I wanted to continue on. It had run out. Besides, your real name isn't Shimmie and neither is mine Gv. You don't have to keep pointing that out as I've already done that sometime after my new resubscribe and response to a thread in which I made it clear that that's who I was. Still me, still changing my avatars and sigs to new art/comedy/whichever and it will still represent Native America. Don't understand why you think you are outing me. Outing for what? I'm not outed as I have done nothing wrong, seedy, corrupt, needing to be hidden...I've already indicated who I was. Let me find that post:


ETA: In a few days, I may find it. I know I told somebody when I responded. So it was already "out" there. Again, this is a moniker for fun. It's not my real name. None of these are our real names and if so, we need to pose some serious questions to our parents. So, please don't feel that I'm hiding behind any posts. I have always had the same concerns, used the same types of siggies, written the same way, etc. I simply do not care of someone recognizes or doesn't recognize my moniker has changed as it doesn't affect what I respond to. That'll always be the same. Believe me, I'm intelligent enough to know how to hide as well as to find others in real life. My nickname isn't Mossad-nik for nothing.


Always Catholic, Native American/Afro, from Kansas, Living in Pittsburgh, PA, etc. etc. etc....and a kick-*** Jewish descendant who minces no words.

 

[Dellas]

I am not offended. I think that we treat Christianity as a good'ol boy club or sorority inwhich you are either in or your out. You either agree with me or your going to hell. I grew under Pentecostal teaching. I was told that the Baptist was going to hell because they did not believe in tongues, and .........

......



I followed all the rules because other people said I should but did not know why and did not have a deep understanding why. People have different revelation of Christ and the word. It doesn't have to be the same. People have to grow at their own pace and they should be allowed to be different and have different feeling and philosophies.


DOMA??? I think a marriage is between a man and a women. I also think gays pay taxes have rights. Do I think Obama loves God and is a God fearing man. I can not judge his heart but he does seem to carry himself in an honest and upright manner ....for a politician. Do I think Pat Robinson is a God fearing man? I think he brings in his personal beliefs and mix it up in his ministry and try to equate the two. ....


I heard a popular minister say that one has to believe God for a wife or you might get some Black tar baby and you have to set your standards. Is this God or his personal belief. He is a popular TV minister .....and it is not the one caught up in the Gay scandal.

I almost flipped when I saw Steve Harvey on TBN preaching to Black women that they need to settle. I also blew a nerve in my neck. I needed water!!!


All ministers seem to get off message. Therefore, it is up to the believer to filter information.

Back to DOMA,
The Bible, written by men, inspired by God, does state that homosexuality is a sin. This is very very very clear. Now, I may not agree with it in my own personal life but I do think that Gays have the right to civil unions with all the benefits. Newt, Pat Robinson, Donald Trump,....no leader that I know of can talk to much about DOMA because they need to look at their own short comings.

 

[Poohbear]

I think the issue with homosexual unions has a lot to do with how a lot of men/women marriages started off as fornicating relationships. So the gays probably feel like if fornicators can get married, how come we can't? Just a thought, I'm not really sure. I just know how sexually perverse our society has become. I personally don't agree with gay marriage, but I think heterosexual fornication and adultery are sins that are often overlooked in comparison with homosexuality being a sin.

 

[Dellas]

I think the issue with homosexual unions has a lot to do with how a lot of men/women marriages started off as fornicating relationships. So the gays probably feel like if fornicators can get married, how come we can't? Just a thought, I'm not really sure. I just know how sexually perverse our society has become. I personally don't agree with gay marriage, but I think heterosexual fornication and adultery are sins that are often overlooked in comparison with homosexuality being a sin.

People get very myopic when they start talking about Gay people. They forget that the bible talks about other sin. Sin is sin.

 

[Shimmie]

I am not offended. I think that we treat Christianity as a good'ol boy club or sorority inwhich you are either in or your out. You either agree with me or your going to hell. I grew under Pentecostal teaching. I was told that the Baptist was going to hell because they did not believe in tongues, and .........

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I followed all the rules because other people said I should but did not know why and did not have a deep understanding why. People have different revelation of Christ and the word. It doesn't have to be the same. People have to grow at their own pace and they should be allowed to be different and have different feeling and philosophies.

DOMA??? I think a marriage is between a man and a women. I also think gays pay taxes have rights. Do I think Obama loves God and is a God fearing man. I can not judge his heart but he does seem to carry himself in an honest and upright manner ....for a politician. Do I think Pat Robinson is a God fearing man? I think he brings in his personal beliefs and mix it up in his ministry and try to equate the two. ....


I heard a popular minister say that one has to believe God for a wife or you might get some Black tar baby and you have to set your standards. Is this God or his personal belief. He is a popular TV minister .....and it is not the one caught up in the Gay scandal.

I almost flipped when I saw Steve Harvey on TBN preaching to Black women that they need to settle. I also blew a nerve in my neck. I needed water!!!


All ministers seem to get off message. Therefore, it is up to the believer to filter information.

Back to DOMA,
The Bible, written by men, inspired by God, does state that homosexuality is a sin. This is very very very clear. Now, I may not agree with it in my own personal life but I do think that Gays have the right to civil unions with all the benefits. Newt, Pat Robinson, Donald Trump,....no leader that I know of can talk to much about DOMA because they need to look at their own short comings.

Adele... I promise you, I'm listening.

As for gays paying taxes, we ALL pay taxes and me being Black and quite heavily taxed and that does not give me nor gays the right to redefine marriage, teach my children that sexual behaviour contrary to what I am teaching them is acceptable.

No one has ever condoned adultery ... look at the exposure of said leaders in the news which have been 'outted' for doing such and have lost their high postitions in office when caught and not for gay sex but normal sex.

gays are NOT entitled to change a thing about marriage. Please understand that this is more than marriage that they are going for. It's the 'bite' of the apple. They are truly going after the Word of God to be outruled and outlawed which says that homosexuality is sin.

The difference with their unions is that they are 'marrying' the sin. They are legalizing the sin; they are teaching the upcoming generations that this particular sin has RIGHTS over everything be it right or wrong. They are saying that homosexuality trumps all, even to the point of changing and uprooting the very foundation that God has ordained it to be.

Paying taxes does not give them the right to trump anything except be glad that God placed His grace upon them. Adultery and fornication has never had a free pass; this is just a weak argument to excuse the gay agenda. It a turning of the tables rather than say that gay is indeed not okay.

I gotta stop here and give you a big hug



Because I'm not fussing at you, Adele. I'm listening to you with my heart and I respect you.

Adele... Babygirl when you look into the 'spritual realm of this... OH My Goodness... and then look at how all of these events line up with the prophesies in God's Word.

Sweetheart... God said that these things would occurr; He clearly said that many would be deceived and blinded. Babygirl, even if I appear mean and unattached to compassion, it's not that way at all. As Christians we MUST stay focused and we MUST allow God to show us BEYOND our emotions and compassion the stategy and deceptions of satan.

Babygirl.... NEVER in history has so much sin been evolved as prophesied in God's word. I'm standing for Jesus... come hell or hell or hell. I'm standing. I have to.. I WANT to and I fear no man, because I stand.

Another hug... For my Words are not an afront towards you and what you have shared. Babygirl, my attack is against satan and his lies. :Rose:

 

[Shimmie]

I think the issue with homosexual unions has a lot to do with how a lot of men/women marriages started off as fornicating relationships. So the gays probably feel like if fornicators can get married, how come we can't? Just a thought, I'm not really sure. I just know how sexually perverse our society has become. I personally don't agree with gay marriage, but I think heterosexual fornication and adultery are sins that are often overlooked in comparison with homosexuality being a sin.

That's the 'gay argument and supporter's justification...'

What do you think God's response to this is?

I remember when I'd use a similar excuse with my parents "But Mommie, Cindy's mom let's her stay out at midnight'.... My mom wasn't hearing it.

For you, Pooh.

I'm not battering with you either, Precious Pooh. My fire is not against anyone here. I'm simply dispelling the lies of satan.

Love and hugs to you... :Rose:

 

[Guitarhero]

I heard a popular minister say that one has to believe God for a wife or you might get some Black tar baby and you have to set your standards. Is this God or his personal belief. He is a popular TV minister .....and it is not the one caught up in the Gay scandal.



Back to DOMA,
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What's DOMA? But who on earth said that? Well, aren't some wives "black tar babies" as well as some husbands? As though BTB is a separate species of man. Good grief!

 

[Dellas]

I understand that you pay taxes as well. You should vote and will vote ....as will I.

Do I think we should teach that sexuality/homosexuality in the classroom? No or provide an opt out.
Do I think that there should be prayer in school? Yes with an opt out. I think the parents belief and family belief should be respected on both sides...therefore no entity should try to proselytize.

I don't like mandates.

Civil Unions and basic rights for people are okay with me. I am tired of people being punished because they are not married, can't find someone to marry, or of the same sex.


The model of Good behavior is two white educated people with money and 2.5 kids. If you stray from that model then you punished on your taxes, socially, financially, and in every area of life.



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We can disagree and both retain our relationship with God. I use to think Catholics were crazy for asking a man for forgiveness and praying to the virgin Mary until I found a group of Joyce Myer following Catholics who loved God and studied the word of God.


Let God judge people.

 

[Shimmie]

I understand that you pay taxes as well. You should vote and will vote ....as will I.

Do I think we should teach that sexuality/homosexuality in the classroom? No or provide an opt out.
Do I think that there should be prayer in school? Yes with an opt out. I think the parents belief and family belief should be respected on both sides...therefore no entity should try to proselytize.

I don't like mandates.

Civil Unions and basic rights for people are okay with me. I am tired of people being punished because they are not married, can't find someone to marry, or of the same sex.


The model of Good behavior is two white educated people with money and 2.5 kids. If you stray from that model then you punished on your taxes, socially, financially, and in every area of life.



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We can disagree and both retain our relationship with God. I use to think Catholics were crazy for asking a man for forgiveness and praying to the virgin Mary until I found a group of Joyce Myer following Catholics who loved God and studied the word of God.


Let God judge people.

All that I believe is based upon the Word of God, not what I 'think' or mis-believe but what 'thus saith the Lord'.

This is still HIS earth that He has so graciously allowed us to 'sin' and disrespect Him upon. It doesn't matter who pays taxes or what they feel they are entitled too. It's still those who uphold what God's Word says.

God Word says we are to teach our children His Word and His ways. We are to keep His Word as 'Frontlets' before our eyes. We are not to turn to the left neither to the right.

Civil unions for gays are not God nor His ways; even if they give their entire pay checks and savings in taxes, it does not allow them the right to change what God's order has been deemed as right.

As a Christian, it doesn't mean a hill of beans if we believe in civil unions as a gay entitlement, for as a Christian we must put God FIRST, not gays and their afront against Him.

I love this scripture...

"How long will you halt between two opinions? If God be God... serve Him... if Baal be God, serve Him. " (I Kings 18).

The god of the children of Baal failed them... God did not fail those who stood for Him, no matter what.

I'm not serving gays...I'm serving God. :Rose:

I love you, sweet sister. I'm not attacking you, and I must make this clear, as I don't hold back when I'm taking a stand for Jesus and not man.

 

[Poohbear]

That's the 'gay argument and supporter's justification...'

What do you think God's response to this is?

I remember when I'd use a similar excuse with my parents "But Mommie, Cindy's mom let's her stay out at midnight'.... My mom wasn't hearing it.

For you, Pooh.

I'm not battering with you either, Precious Pooh. My fire is not against anyone here. I'm simply dispelling the lies of satan.

Love and hugs to you... :Rose:

God's response to this is these people (fornicators, adulterers, and homosexuals...among other habitual sinners) who continue in their sin with no repentance or remorse shall not inherit the kingdom of God.