Who is the Remnant Church

[blazingthru]

Who is the Remnant Church

To determine who is the remnant Church whether it be one or more denominations, you will need to find a Church who have people displaying the following attributes. They must:

1. Be a minority, that is, a remnant.
2. Keep all the Ten Commandments of God including the fourth.
3. Be Apostolic in nature, similar teaching and belief of the apostles.
4. Arise after the 1260 years of Papal supremacy which is after 1798.
5. Arise in America, the earth that helped the woman. See verse by verse study on Revelation 12.
6. Have the testimony of Jesus Christ which is the Spirit of Prophecy or the Gift of Prophecy manifest through a prophet or prophets, Revelation 19:10; 22:9.
7. Be expecting the Second coming of Christ being the last.
8. Understand Bible prophecy and 666 and the Mark of the Beast issue.
9. Be filled with the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the gospel message.
10. Believe in the Bible as the only source of doctrine.
11. Believe in the once only atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.
12. Abstain from cigarettes, drugs or unhealthy eating that damages their bodies, which are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
13. Understand that the dead sleep until the resurrection to life or resurrection to damnation.
14. Know that hell-fire is an event and that the wicked do not get eternal life and do perish.
15. Believe in the young age of the earth, and that God created the world in six days.
16. Believe in Baptism by full immersion of people who have repented and made their own decision to follow Jesus and partake in it.
17. Believe in the sanctity of marriage.
18. Believe that Jesus is our only mediator and that only He can forgive sins.
19. Believe in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Note: The word Trinity is not found in the Bible and is a contraction of the words “tri” which means three and divinity which means God. The Bible actually uses the word Godhead, so if you don’t like the word trinity, use the word Godhead which still says that God is three in one, i.e. Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.)
20. Believe in being faithful stewards through tithing and offerings.
21. Be prepared to endure persecution for their faith.
22. Be a Church that Satan is making war with, that is, incur the wroth of the dragon, eg: Many websites & people attacking it with false rumours.
23. Be a world wide movement. The Gospel is to be preached in all the world, Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6-12, so it must be a world wide movement.

God’s true remnant Church has the following to look forward to when the New Jerusalem, with the mansions that Jesus Himself has prepared for us eventually comes to rest on the New Earth.

• Revelation 21:10-24
  “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; … 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. … 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.”

Now all the people are not going to be like this, The wheat will grow with the Tares. Until the lord puts the wheat in the barn and burns the tares.

 

[Sharpened]

Let's make it simpler: we actually forsake this world and our very being to allow Christ through His Set-Apart Spirit to rebirth our nature. When we become a disciple as Yeshua instructed, this will be the result. The question should be do we believe that He is powerful enough to control His Body to His will? For what I have seen so far in my life, the answer is no!

 

[aribell]

When I initially read this, I disagreed with some but thought to pass it over. However, upon looking at it again, I will highlight certain things for others passing by to reflect upon. The original post is saying that:

1. You must worship on Saturday (I can only presume that means following the manner of 7th Day Adventists)
2. Your denomination must have been founded after 1798.
3. Your church must have only arisen in the United States to be the true "remnant church".

7th Day Adventism has been debated thoroughly on here, so I will not go into that. However, the date 1798 lacks any historical backing to it. Even if one refuses to acknowlege the era of "papal supremacy," protestant congregations began forming in the late 1590s, 200 years before this 1798 date. And lastly, the idea that the "remnant church" must have arisen in the United States is, well...I will say this: God's "church" is not about the buildings or where the denominational headquarters are. Geographical boundaries do not define Christ's body. Nor do temporal boundaries for that matter.

Please beware of asserting "truths" that are divisive and without authority to support them. My intention is not to be in here arguing over any points, but still we have to be very diligent about watching what teachings are asserted *especially* when they purport to define who is and is not the "true church."

 

[Crown]

Who is the Remnant Church

To determine who is the remnant Church whether it be one or more denominations, you will need to find a Church who have people displaying the following attributes. They must:

1. Be a minority, that is, a remnant.
2. Keep all the Ten Commandments of God including the fourth.
3. Be Apostolic in nature, similar teaching and belief of the apostles.
4. Arise after the 1260 years of Papal supremacy which is after 1798.
5. Arise in America, the earth that helped the woman. See verse by verse study on Revelation 12.
6. Have the testimony of Jesus Christ which is the Spirit of Prophecy or the Gift of Prophecy manifest through a prophet or prophets, Revelation 19:10; 22:9.
7. Be expecting the Second coming of Christ being the last.
8. Understand Bible prophecy and 666 and the Mark of the Beast issue.
9. Be filled with the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the gospel message.
10. Believe in the Bible as the only source of doctrine.
11. Believe in the once only atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.
12. Abstain from cigarettes, drugs or unhealthy eating that damages their bodies, which are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
13. Understand that the dead sleep until the resurrection to life or resurrection to damnation.
14. Know that hell-fire is an event and that the wicked do not get eternal life and do perish.
15. Believe in the young age of the earth, and that God created the world in six days.
16. Believe in Baptism by full immersion of people who have repented and made their own decision to follow Jesus and partake in it.
17. Believe in the sanctity of marriage.
18. Believe that Jesus is our only mediator and that only He can forgive sins.
19. Believe in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Note: The word Trinity is not found in the Bible and is a contraction of the words “tri” which means three and divinity which means God. The Bible actually uses the word Godhead, so if you don’t like the word trinity, use the word Godhead which still says that God is three in one, i.e. Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.)
20. Believe in being faithful stewards through tithing and offerings.
21. Be prepared to endure persecution for their faith.
22. Be a Church that Satan is making war with, that is, incur the wroth of the dragon, eg: Many websites & people attacking it with false rumours.
23. Be a world wide movement. The Gospel is to be preached in all the world, Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6-12, so it must be a world wide movement.

God’s true remnant Church has the following to look forward to when the New Jerusalem, with the mansions that Jesus Himself has prepared for us eventually comes to rest on the New Earth.

• Revelation 21:10-24
  “And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; … 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. … 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.”

Now all the people are not going to be like this, The wheat will grow with the Tares. Until the lord puts the wheat in the barn and burns the tares.

nono:

The Remnant Church is not a denomination.

The children of YHWH are coming out :

Jer. 51 : 45 “Come out of her, my people! Run for your lives! Run from the fierce anger of the LORD.

Rev. 18 : 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.

 

[blazingthru]

I seen this article and it made me think about a few things. Who is talking about the last days? Who is explaining bible prophesy. Who is still following all of the commandments? How can you throw out one, doesn't the word say if you break one you break them all? Prior to 1798 people were being slaughter for what they believed everywhere but in the US. Its just something to think about.

 

[aribell]

I seen this article and it made me think about a few things. Who is talking about the last days? Who is explaining bible prophesy. Who is still following all of the commandments? How can you throw out one, doesn't the word say if you break one you break them all? Prior to 1798 people were being slaughter for what they believed everywhere but in the US. Its just something to think about.

I think the bolded is particularly important because in Galatians, when Paul says that he who attempts to be justified by keeping the law is a debtor to keep the whole law. Being a debtor to the law is what led to the need for a perfect atonement, because we will never be able to be justified before God by keeping the law.

1For(A) freedom Christ has(B) set us free;(C) stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to(D) a yoke of(E) slavery. 2Look: I, Paul, say to you that(F) if you accept circumcision,(G) Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that(H) he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4You are(I) severed from Christ,(J) you who would be justified[a] by the law;(K) you have fallen away from grace. 5For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly(L) wait for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus(M) neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but(N) only faith working through love.


7(O) You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying(P) the truth? 8This persuasion is not from(Q) him who calls you. 9(R) A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10(S) I have confidence in the Lord that you will(T) take no other view than mine, and(U) the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. 11But if I, brothers,[b] still preach[c] circumcision,(V) why am I still being persecuted? In that case(W) the offense of the cross has been removed. 12I wish(X) those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!


13For you were called to freedom, brothers.(Y) Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love(Z) serve one another. 14For(AA) the whole law is fulfilled in one wordAB) "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

 

[Sharpened]

I seen this article and it made me think about a few things. Who is talking about the last days?

Ever read the Geneva Bible? I got dozens of links to those receiving prophecy from Him outside of organized religion and the vast majority of it is not good. Want the links?

Who is explaining bible prophesy?

Those He called to do so right now for this age. I got some links on that, too, ones contrary to popular opinion. Also remember, Jesus said it was the end of the age (aion in Greek) not world.

Who is still following all of the commandments?

Jesus gave new commandments and we are told they will be written in our hearts. To get locked down by practice does not allow for the flexibility His servants need to get His will done in any situation.

How can you throw out one, doesn't the word say if you break one you break them all?

Jesus said to die to self and to give up everything and follow Him. Have you done that? That is what He commanded, no? What did God Himself tell you to do?

Prior to 1798 people were being slaughter for what they believed everywhere but in the US.

The Puritans slaughtered the Quakers in the 1600’s and did many thing Jesus did not tell them to do.

Its just something to think about.

Think about these passages and take them to the Lord in prayer (not man):

Jeremiah 31:31-33 Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel [which was scattered], and with the house of Judah. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel. After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 11:19-20 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh. That they may walk in my statutes, and keep my ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall you know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, said the LORD.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

2 Corinthians 3:3 For as much as you are manifestly declared to be the letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Do you trust The Lord to write His will on your heart? As He stated repeatedly, it is by His Spirit, not words of men. Look at that extra-biblical stuff in that list. The taint of men is rife in it.

Let us look at this for a minute. Did Jesus not tell us to follow Him? Did He not tell us His Guide will help us? Did he once order us to follow a religion? Did Jesus say the Kingdom of God is religion? Did He tell anyone to pick a religion or join a church? Does He have the power to cleanse and reform heart and mind? Does He have the power to order us without the Bible in front of us?

If any group claims to have the truth, it lies for none of us knows all about God (1 Corinthians 8:2, 1 Corinthians 13:9). That means no religion is correct; all are wrong! We are supposed to be members of His Ecclesia, the ones called out by God Himself to become subjects in His Kingdom. Obedience to Him is the name of this game and He can order us all by Himself through His Spirit.

No one, no group, no institution can lay claim that they helped save me. Only He gets that glory and praise. He alone guides my steps. He alone teaches and shows what I need to know and share. He alone has me open up the Bible to where I need to go. He alone rewards me for being contrary to this world. He alone prods me back on His narrow path towards Him. He alone gives me dreams and words in His gentle voice. Can you say that or do you give praise to man and intellect?

My existence alone should make anyone question everything coming through their eyes and ears. How do you explain me then? Is He not great enough to order me without religion? The remnant will know who they are when He calls them, not man’s assumption.

 

[makeupgirl]

I didn't understand the post. So I'm just going to say I'm apart of the body/bride of Christ.

 

[blazingthru]

at first I thought it was wrong to post this article since it seems others are offended which was never my intentions. However, I realize that it doesnt' matter what you say someone will be offended in one form or another. I am a researcher. It doesn't offend me when others talk against what I believe, I think about what is said and go and research it. I can't relate to others being or feeling insulted. So for that I apologize if you felt that way. I don't apologize for the post, I think its interesting and something to look at in regards to what your church teaches and practice, I am not promoting my church at all. That is really nothing I have heard being teached as long as I remember its just the truths in the bible. I actually found my church much later, After I researched things I had been taught all my life that are untrue. I didn't comment personally because I am not attacking any one and I think its sinful to argue, As Christian we are not to do that, but we are to learn from each other and that is my intentions and so I will look up some of the things listed here from others, I already have an ideal about them and they do not measure up with the scriptures, Adventist do not teach a religion ( just in case someone wanted to know) IF they do then its not the right church to be in. The Law is something we all follow, we follow the law every time we walk out of the door and drive to work and follow the laws of the road and the laws of the state and so on and so on. The only Law that people have a problem with is the Law of God, which is beneficial to us. It is not a burden unless we make it one by not wanting to follow it. Because we love God his Law is a pleasure to us to follow that is really what is being said in the scriptures its not just a set of stringent rules to follow its the Love of Christ that enable us to follow his law and its no longer a burden. I think the greatest mistake is what is the law? I believe that many Christian are just not sure any longer what is the Law. Thats why its important to find a a true believing Church that encourages and teaches us how to study the bible, not tell us everything is okay and its really not. Give us what our itching ears want to hear. I have learned so many things on this forum and its been exciting to go and research. I am very very confident in what I have learned and still open and ready to study out more things which is our duty as a Christian

 

[Sharpened]

at first I thought it was wrong to post this article since it seems others are offended which was never my intentions. However, I realize that it doesnt' matter what you say someone will be offended in one form or another. I am a researcher. It doesn't offend me when others talk against what I believe, I think about what is said and go and research it. I can't relate to others being or feeling insulted. So for that I apologize if you felt that way. I don't apologize for the post, I think its interesting and something to look at in regards to what your church teaches and practice, I am not promoting my church at all. That is really nothing I have heard being teached as long as I remember its just the truths in the bible. I actually found my church much later, After I researched things I had been taught all my life that are untrue. I didn't comment personally because I am not attacking any one and I think its sinful to argue, As Christian we are not to do that, but we are to learn from each other and that is my intentions and so I will look up some of the things listed here from others, I already have an ideal about them and they do not measure up with the scriptures, Adventist do not teach a religion ( just in case someone wanted to know) IF they do then its not the right church to be in. The Law is something we all follow, we follow the law every time we walk out of the door and drive to work and follow the laws of the road and the laws of the state and so on and so on. The only Law that people have a problem with is the Law of God, which is beneficial to us. It is not a burden unless we make it one by not wanting to follow it. Because we love God his Law is a pleasure to us to follow that is really what is being said in the scriptures its not just a set of stringent rules to follow its the Love of Christ that enable us to follow his law and its no longer a burden. I think the greatest mistake is what is the law? I believe that many Christian are just not sure any longer what is the Law. Thats why its important to find a a true believing Church that encourages and teaches us how to study the bible, not tell us everything is okay and its really not. Give us what our itching ears want to hear. I have learned so many things on this forum and its been exciting to go and research. I am very very confident in what I have learned and still open and ready to study out more things which is our duty as a Christian

Actually, I am offended by this big block of text due to poor eyesight, but that is my problem. What you are reading in my posts is my passion for everyone to take everything they take into their hearts and brains to the Lord in prayer and wait for the answer. It is very easy to see when someone has not.

Nothing you have said counters or examines anything anyone in this thread has posted. You can tell us what you think we should think or feel, but God Almighty has the last word and the Scriptures say you are mistaken. So now it is up to you to take this to the Lord to find the truth and He will give you the words to show the rest of us. Yes, it is really that simple.

 

[blazingthru]

Let's make it simpler: we actually forsake this world and our very being to allow Christ through His Set-Apart Spirit to rebirth our nature. When we become a disciple as Yeshua instructed, this will be the result. The question should be do we believe that He is powerful enough to control His Body to His will? For what I have seen so far in my life, the answer is no!

My apologies I am not understanding this statement here.

 

[blazingthru]

When I initially read this, I disagreed with some but thought to pass it over. However, upon looking at it again, I will highlight certain things for others passing by to reflect upon. The original post is saying that:

1. You must worship on Saturday (I can only presume that means following the manner of 7th Day Adventists)
2. Your denomination must have been founded after 1798.
3. Your church must have only arisen in the United States to be the true "remnant church".

7th Day Adventism has been debated thoroughly on here, so I will not go into that. However, the date 1798 lacks any historical backing to it. Even if one refuses to acknowlege the era of "papal supremacy," protestant congregations began forming in the late 1590s, 200 years before this 1798 date. And lastly, the idea that the "remnant church" must have arisen in the United States is, well...I will say this: God's "church" is not about the buildings or where the denominational headquarters are. Geographical boundaries do not define Christ's body. Nor do temporal boundaries for that matter.

Please beware of asserting "truths" that are divisive and without authority to support them. My intention is not to be in here arguing over any points, but still we have to be very diligent about watching what teachings are asserted *especially* when they purport to define who is and is not the "true church."

Actually it does its the conclusion of the 1,260 years. The end of the Papal Supremacy reign. The bible is clear on this. Also you are correct in the protestant churches forming then and what was happening to them at that time? they were being persecuted, persecution of true believer lasted for 1,260 years. The bible was hidden. NOT that it wasn't being read and taught it was in secret.
Here in the US bible truths were being study more diligently as in times of old,when the Hebrews who studied and understood knew to expect Jesus. Were actually eagerly awaiting him. America is written in the bible it is the second beast that came out of the earth. Revelation 13:11 .....'And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.' ..... Well, if you noticed, the first beast rises out of the sea (water), which represented peoples, nations and tongues, a very populated area, which was Europe. So time and places do have significance. Especially when it comes to prophesy.
Also Remnant is whats left over isn't It?

 

[blazingthru]

Actually, I am offended by this big block of text due to poor eyesight, but that is my problem. What you are reading in my posts is my passion for everyone to take everything they take into their hearts and brains to the Lord in prayer and wait for the answer. It is very easy to see when someone has not.

Nothing you have said counters or examines anything anyone in this thread has posted. You can tell us what you think we should think or feel, but God Almighty has the last word and the Scriptures say you are mistaken. So now it is up to you to take this to the Lord to find the truth and He will give you the words to show the rest of us. Yes, it is really that simple.

I will respond to your statements above, If I am telling you what I think you should feel or think then I should stop, because I don't have a heaven or hell to send anyone and again I don't mean to offend. Your comments only have me go back and make sure whatever I say is as correct as possible and to admit if I am wrong or am not sure. I posted an article not of my own writing, but I didn't see anything in it that contradicts the scriptures, BUT it doesn't conflict with my life and so I do have to take a step back and view it from another angle. I was not going to respond to each statement but you commented on it and so if I can I will.

 

[Sharpened]

My apologies I am not understanding this statement here.

Let's make it simpler: we actually forsake this world and our very being to allow Christ through His Set-Apart Spirit to rebirth our nature.

Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Mark 10:21, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27, John 1:12-13, John 3:3-8, Romans 7:18, Romans 8:3, and on, and on…

When we become a disciple as Yeshua instructed, this will be the result.

You automatically become a remnant in this world, for He and He alone sets us apart for His purposes (Matthew 20:16, Matthew 22:14).

The question should be do we believe that He is powerful enough to control His Body to His will? For what I have seen so far in my life, the answer is no!

Galatians 2:19 For though I am dead to the law, that I might live to God.

Religion is evidence that very few trust Jesus to control His Body. We are not all guided to the same things the same way at the same time, so what we think should be happening for someone can become a stumbling block if it contrasts with what God Himself has in store for that person. Our focus should be on Him and keeping ourselves ready (dead to self) when He says, “Do this.” Not man! Remember, we each have to give an account at His throne and nothing—nothing we do matters to Him but our obedience to His Spirit, not anything written or human wisdom. This is perfection (maturity) in Christ.

I will respond to your statements above, If I am telling you what I think you should feel or think then I should stop, because I don't have a heaven or hell to send anyone and again I don't mean to offend. Your comments only have me go back and make sure whatever I say is as correct as possible and to admit if I am wrong or am not sure. I posted an article not of my own writing, but I didn't see anything in it that contradicts the scriptures, BUT it doesn't conflict with my life and so I do have to take a step back and view it from another angle. I was not going to respond to each statement but you commented on it and so if I can I will.

Assuming is not condemning; relax, it's cool. You can address each point I have made, but, like I said, it is easy to tell if it came from the Spirit or not. I would prefer you took these things to the Lord Himself. Can you do that, please? Research, knowledge, good deeds, following commandments and rules—none of that saves us. What sets us apart from the world is obedience to the Spirit (yes, the supernatural Spirit of God) within to advance the Kingdom.

 

[blazingthru]

Originally Posted by blazingthru
I seen this article and it made me think about a few things. Who is talking about the last days?
Ever read the Geneva Bible? I got dozens of links to those receiving prophecy from Him outside of organized religion and the vast majority of it is not good. Want the links?
The bible alone is the key to prophesy there is no need for anything else. We use world history to prove things that have already come to past.
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Who is explaining bible prophesy?
Those He called to do so right now for this age. I got some links on that, too, ones contrary to popular opinion. Also remember, Jesus said it was the end of the age (aion in Greek) not world.
Again Prophesy is best coming from the word of God but many churches say it’s a closed book.
2 Peter 1:19-21 (New King James Version)
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[c] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
1 John 2:3-6 (New King James Version)
The Test of Knowing Him

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
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Who is still following all of the commandments?
Jesus gave new commandments and we are told they will be written in our hearts. To get locked down by practice does not allow for the flexibility His servants need to get His will done in any situation
I am not understanding this passage in regards to flexibility, if I have given you the impression that I follow the ordinances then there is a huge mistake, I follow the ones not changed by the blood of Jesus, as we are all called to do. Yes you are correct they are written on the hearts of those who love him, making it easier for you to follow the laws and desiring to do so. You ever get the feeling you did something wrong? That’s whats written in your heart, you know you shouldn’t yell at your parents? You have feelings of shame when you do something wrong. So then we know we did something that was against God, but we still need to read and study to learn as much as we can so that we don’t’ have those feelings of shame and we don’t sin against God again. Only how can we know what sin is unless we research and study. Sin is the transgression of the law it is best to find out what is the law so we are careful not to break it.
Hebrews 3:12-13 (New American Standard Bible)
The Peril of Unbelief
12(A)Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from (B)the living God.
13But (C)encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the (D)deceitfulness of sin.
When I asked about prophesy in services, I knew it was not the truth I was given because my heart was still seeking. His truth is written on our hearts. We know when we hear it but we turn away from it.
"Sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4. Sin is breaking God's Ten Commandment law. And since the law of God is perfect (Psalms 19:7), it covers every conceivable sin. It is impossible to commit a sin that is not condemned by at least one of God's Ten Commandments. The commandments cover "the whole duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13. Nothing is left out. Jesus magnified it (Isaiah 42:21) as the perfect guide for right living. For example, Jesus pointed out that "thou shalt not kill" condemns anger "without a cause" (Matthew 5:21, 22) and hatred (1 John 3:15), and that lust is adultery (Matthew 5:27, 28). He says, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15

 

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.How can you throw out one, doesn't the word say if you break one you break them all?
Jesus said to die to self and to give up everything and follow Him. Have you done that? That is what He commanded, no? What did God Himself tell you to do?
Yes we are to die to self, which means I put God first, not self. It is his will I am forever seeking not my own. My everything and your everything has different meanings. But everything I use to do I no longer do, I no longer feel the same way or have the same desires. Everything has changed. But honestly no one can change if they are not consistently in the word and if they do not understand what they are reading it gets confusing and difficult. Once you begin to learn Gods’ truth everything in your life begins to change. Not mans truths but Gods truth and the more you read the more you began to understand Gods’ character.
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Prior to 1798 people were being slaughter for what they believed everywhere but in the US.
The Puritans slaughtered the Quakers in the 1600’s and did many thing Jesus did not tell them to do.
I was referring to the Papal supremacy and its reach.
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Its just something to think about.
Think about these passages and take them to the Lord in prayer (not man):
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Jeremiah 31:31-33 Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel [which was scattered], and with the house of Judah. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel. After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 11:19-20 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh. That they may walk in my statutes, and keep my ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall you know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, said the LORD.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

2 Corinthians 3:3 For as much as you are manifestly declared to be the letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Do you trust The Lord to write His will on your heart? As He stated repeatedly, it is by His Spirit, not words of men. Look at that extra-biblical stuff in that list. The taint of men is rife in it.
you will have to help me in seeing the “extra biblical stuff in the List”

Let us look at this for a minute. Did Jesus not tell us to follow Him? Yes, he also said seek and ye shall find, if you seek him with your whole heart.
• Deuteronomy 4:29
" But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

• 1 Chronicles 28:9
"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

• 2 Chronicles 15:2
and he went out to meet Asa and said to him, "Listen to me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin: the LORD is with you when you are with Him And if you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you.

• Proverbs 1:28
"Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently but they will not find me,

• Proverbs 8:17
"I love those who love me;And those who diligently seek me will find me.

Proverbs 1:23-33 (New American Standard Bible)

23"Turn to my reproof,
Behold, I will (A)pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
24"Because (B)I called and you (C)refused,
I (D)stretched out my hand and no one paid attention;
25And you (E)neglected all my counsel
And did not (F)want my reproof;
26I will also (G)laugh at your (H)calamity;
I will mock when your (I)dread comes,
27When your dread comes like a storm
And your calamity comes like a (J)whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
28"Then they will (K)call on me, but I will not answer;
They will (L)seek me diligently but they will not find me,
29Because they (M)hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
30"They (N)would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.
31"So they shall (O)eat of the fruit of their own way
And be (P)satiated with their own devices.
32"For the (Q)waywardness of the naive will kill them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them.
33"But (R)he who listens to me shall live securely
And will be at ease from the dread of evil."

 

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Did He not tell us His Guide will help us? The Holy Spirit will guide you to all truths, after you have studied the bible. The Holy Spirit will bring those things to mind when need it, that is why we are to study diligently everyday. John 16:13-14 (King James Version)
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Did he once order us to follow a religion? Did Jesus say the Kingdom of God is religion? Did He tell anyone to pick a religion or join a church? Isn’t the Church called the bride of Christ? Does He have the power to cleanse and reform heart and mind? Does He have the power to order us without the Bible in front of us? I am not following you here. I believe in the word of God. That is what I am standing on. I believe the word says many will be lost and that we are lost from lack of knowledge. I believe that we are to strive hard to make sure we do not fall off the way and that that way is the truth and the light. I believe that we should help one another while it’s still called today. I believe that Holy Spirit is now sealing Gods chosen people and those are the people who have given up their old ways and adopted the new and is following Christ all the way. Even when it comes to something that doesn’t make sense to them, they do not give up they keep searching for the real truth. I don’t believe anyone should follow man, I believe that some man are great examples and we can learn from each other for example how to be kinder and more giving and more self sacrificing and putting others (strangers) before ourselves.

If any group claims to have the truth, it lies for none of us knows all about God (1 Corinthians 8:2, 1 Corinthians 13:9). This does not mean we do not have the truth as God has laid out in his word, will we know all truths no. you can read the bible for a million years and still not learn all the truths within it. But diligently studying will lead you in to the truth of salvation and the love of God, which is why we read the bible in the first place. That means no religion is correct; all are wrong! We are supposed to be members of His Ecclesia, the ones called out by God Himself to become subjects in His Kingdom. Obedience to Him is the name of this game and He can order us all by Himself through His Spirit.
That’s why we have the scriptures, it’s important to mediate on it night and day. To seal it in our hearts?
Joshua 1:8
" This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success. The first church was wrong?????? The remnant church comes from the first church, Acts talks much about the first church and their practices and from history we learn what happen to the first church and the many changes it went through throughout history.
No one, no group, no institution can lay claim that they helped save me. Only He gets that glory and praise. He alone guides my steps. He alone teaches and shows what I need to know and share. He alone has me open up the Bible to where I need to go. He alone rewards me for being contrary to this world. He alone prods me back on His narrow path towards Him. He alone gives me dreams and words in His gentle voice. Can you say that or do you give praise to man and intellect? Have you read that I gave praise to man? Or have you read the scriptures and history.

My existence alone should make anyone question everything coming through their eyes and ears. How do you explain me then? Is He not great enough to order me without religion? The remnant will know who they are when He calls them, not man’s assumption.

You don’t have to join a church to become saved, that was not the point either, and in order to grow we need to be a part of the body. I believe that the article is something to review. Especially now when so many are seeking the truth and really want to know what is going on. As for as I know I haven’t encouraged anyone to join my church, its about the truth and what is the truth. I believe in the Commandments strongly. I think it’s extremely important that the 4th commandment be studied deeply and thoroughly, not be dismissed anymore as being nailed to the cross. I think it’s very important to know about the state of the Dead, Hell the Mark of the Beast, the sealing of God, Baptism etc., especially because this is where true believers will fall away and be deceived, the questions is why? How will those strong in Christ the elect fall away
Jesus made that point crystal clear. He warned of several things that will trap and destroy Christians: (1) surfeiting, (2) drunkenness, (3) the cares of this life, and (4) sleeping (Luke 21:34; Mark 13:34-36).

A. Surfeiting is overdoing in anything--eating, working, reading, recreation, etc. It upsets balance and destroys clear thinking. It also precludes spending time with Jesus.
B. Drunkenness refers to things that bring on a stupor and give us a distaste for heavenly things. Examples include pornography, illicit sex, evil companions, neglect of Bible study, neglect of prayer, and avoiding church services. Such things cause people to live in an unreal dream world and thus miss out.
C. Cares of this life destroy Christians who become so busy doing perfectly good things that time for Jesus, prayer, study of the Word, witnessing, and attendance of church services are crowded out. In so doing, we take our eyes off the real goal and drown in peripheral matters.
D. Sleeping refers to being spiritually asleep. It may be the biggest problem today. When a person is asleep, he does not know he is asleep. Taking our relationship with Jesus for granted, having a form of godliness with no power, applying all great sermons to others, and refusing to become actively involved in Jesus' work--all these things and many others make sleepwalkers of those who, unless miraculously wakened, will sleep past the moment of truth.
It is my purpose and my desire to only speak the truth as I have read for myself and that I can prove, Now I can’t prove all of history of course I wasn’t there, I can only go by what was reported. Plus I am a true layperson. I don’t have high degrees and can’t elaborate much on certain things I wish I could but who knows in time perhaps God would allow me to do so, but for now. I only wish to speak and share the truth, the truth as written in the word of God and no other. I wasn’t taught special principles of my church; I have only been taught from the word of God that I follow myself. I also do my on research and create my own projects.
I think you think when I talk I talk based on religion, but I don't I based my beliefs on the word of God and I can stand by it. However, I am not always able to explain it in a simple way so I do refer to an article or two. Especially when it comes down to difficult passages, Like the Beast in the bible and the nations and for me its simple but its not to everyone and so I have to find something that will explain exactly what I have researched but its all in one place.

 

[Sharpened]

I will never post up anything that does not give meat to believers and then backpedal by saying it is someone else’s writing. I stand by what I place in this forum and have admitted His correction of me. Either you agree with the list or you do not.

When I mentioned the Geneva Bible, it shows in the commentaries who first came up with the theory about who was antichrist, among other things. Check it out for yourself.

What you are saying is that the position of prophet is gone because the Bible is a finished work. That is incorrect. The gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:28) and part of the ministry to grow babes in Christ to perfection (maturity) (Ephesians 4:11-13). Scriptures can be used to test the spirit behind any given prophecy, just as 2 Peter 1:19-21 stated. Also see Matthew 23:34, Luke 11:49, 1 Corinthians 14:29-39, 1 Timothy 4:14.

Flexibility means not being weight down by man-made practices so His will can be done through you. Missionaries have to adapt to their environment and let the Father guide their steps. Isaiah went naked and barefoot for three years; Hosea was commanded to marry a prostitute; Ezekiel had to eat bread cooked over poop; Jeremiah had to endure abuse and not strike back; Moses lived as an Egyptian; David hung out with criminals and ate the priests’ showbread with them; Elijah killed 400 priests of Ba’al; Saul was ordered to annihilate a ethnic group right down to their livestock, etc. etc. etc.

OK, the list:

1. The ones who stay on the path to the very end are the remnant and only He knows who they are, not man.

2. Jesus was foretold to be the one who creates the new covenant and what Jesus commands goes. Do you know how many different covenants He has made throughout the Bible? No one is saying the Ten Commandments are dead, but deepened by what Jesus taught. Jesus did His Father’s will on the Sabbath several times, so He earned the right to tell us when to rest—not Saturday, Sunday, but any day or, like my grandmother, everyday. Anyone who is in Christ should be able to see this.

3. I have yet to see any behave like the Apostles did. They trusted the Holy Spirit and demonstrated His Power.

4. That is theory, not fact. No, you do not have to explain; I have done much research on it. All Jesus required was that we stay watchful and listen to the true prophets.

5. Another theory but no “thus saith the Lord” which is just as bad as the pre-tribulation one. People need to seek Him alone on what is what.

6. If the prophet be proven false, then we rebuke. Do we still need prophecy or not?

7. Everyone knows that.

8. Like I said earlier, I have links to others who have looked into it and use the Bible to interpret the meanings. Do you want a few links?

9. If this is true, then this list is moot. Anyone filled by His Spirit will have the Trust always in His heart.

10. What about the Holy Spirit and His ordering of His Body to where He needs them to go? If you are not ordered by the Spirit, you are practicing religion, not advancing the Kingdom.

11. If people actually understood this, then we would be directed by the Spirit. I see precious little of that.

12. Who defines what is unhealthy? Let Him do His job, thanks.

13. It does not matter what you believe about this.

14. It does not matter what you believe about this.

15. All I need to believe is He created everything and is the One holding this ball of dirt together.

16. Let Him decide that because the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is far more important. See Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33, Acts 1:5, Acts 10:44-8, Acts 11:16,

17. The union between husband and wife is a model for Christ (God) and His Bride (the spotless, clean overcomers). All believers know this, or should. *shrug*

18. Matthew 9:2-7, Luke 5:18-25, John 14:6, the Lord’s Prayer, etc. We are to go to Him for everything on our own so He knows who we are (Luke 13:27, 2 Timothy 2:19).

19. It does not matter what you believe about this. I believe there is only one throne in heaven; Jesus is the “right hand” of the Father. That is something others need to seek His answer about.

20. It does not matter what you believe about this. I give (help, money, time, etc.) to whomever He guides me to and do so cheerfully in any amount.

21. A concept not taught in most churches and there will be a price to pay for not getting His sheep prepared. Some will learn this lesson through the “school of hard knocks.”

22. Who cares what others think? Do His will through His Spirit and don’t sweat it. Being insulted is not persecution.

23. Yes, those in Christ will be leaven in the world, salt and light. This list is not His will or Gospel.

The religious, Pharisaical spirit is loaded in this thing. Someone else would have to explain it better than I can, but He Who is the door to salvation is the only One Who can melt the heart of those who refuse to see it. Who was the audience? If it was for those who already follow this, that is useless. If it were for those who do not follow it, it is another bunch of rules dictated by someone who like to use the Scripture as a weapon for his/her own glory.

 

[Sharpened]

John 5:39-40 You search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify to Me. But you are not willing to come to ME that you may have life.

Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God: so that from Jerusalem, and round about to Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word (talk), but in power.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God have not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also have ceased from his own works, as God did from His.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as you know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

I do not know about you, but I have not seen much power except from the ones He has guided me to along the way. Have you?

You totally skipped over His Law being written in the heart. This is pointless. You do not believe He can order His Kingdom supernaturally and only He can prove that to you. To seek Him also means to seek His presence. If you were dead to self and sacrificed your will to Him, you would be encouraging this, not rules, for we are nothing without Him. I strongly suggest you do that. I do not care if anyone believes me or should do this or that. My focus will always be on getting people to hear the Father for themselves.

You say He will guide only those who have studied the Scripture. I know people who God directs in a certain way and then He guides them to the Scriptures to see what He had them do is true. I am one of them. The phrase you quoted does not counter that. Biblical examples: Abraham, Noah, Moses, Enoch, the ignorant He called to be His disciples, those learning about the Good News, etc. Whatever will people do without their Bibles if they are running for their lives? Will He still guide them then? The Word of God is not the Bible, but Jesus Christ Himself. Jesus > Bible, always.

Did he once order us to follow a religion? Did Jesus say the Kingdom of God is religion? Did He tell anyone to pick a religion or join a church? Isn’t the Church called the bride of Christ? Does He have the power to cleanse and reform heart and mind? Does He have the power to order us without the Bible in front of us?

I am not following you here. I believe in the word of God. That is what I am standing on. I believe the word says many will be lost and that we are lost from lack of knowledge. I believe that we are to strive hard to make sure we do not fall off the way and that that way is the truth and the light. I believe that we should help one another while it’s still called today. I believe that Holy Spirit is now sealing Gods chosen people and those are the people who have given up their old ways and adopted the new and is following Christ all the way. Even when it comes to something that doesn’t make sense to them, they do not give up they keep searching for the real truth. I don’t believe anyone should follow man, I believe that some man are great examples and we can learn from each other for example how to be kinder and more giving and more self sacrificing and putting others (strangers) before ourselves.

In other words, you cannot answer me and you did not take this to the Lord in prayer. *sigh* The answers are no, no, no, yes, yes, and yes.

Every step we take along the path to Him is laid out by His Spirit and His Power, not the Bible alone. The Good News is the starting point, not the Commandments. Even non-believers in the west know what they are and follow many of them. We are not subject the Law of Moses; that contract ended at the cross, did it not? Jesus said to take up His flesh (the Word became flesh, but prior to that it was also Spirit) and drink His blood (everlasting life).

I never said or implied the first Ecclesia was wrong; they trusted His Power and Direction alone for they were subjects of the Kingdom, not members of a man-made assembly. There is a difference.

Everyone who has the Holy Spirit within them is part of the Body, period! That is not debatable. If He Himself told you through His Spirit to follow this, that or the other, then that is what you follow. Leave us out of it and leave us to Him. Here is the truth: faith (obedience) alone through Christ alone and knowing Him are what matters. He can order your steps if you are willing to surrender everything to Him. That’s all.

You say you do not speak of religion, but you are a member of one, so what am I to think? It colors what you say and think. It has a name, meaning its own authority, but is it His authority? I have no one but Christ; He tells me what to do by Spirit. I will always be about the Spirit, not the letter. Please, take this to the Lord in prayer.

 

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I will never post up anything that does not give meat to believers and then backpedal by saying it is someone else’s writing. I stand by what I place in this forum and have admitted His correction of me. Either you agree with the list or you do not.

When I mentioned the Geneva Bible, it shows in the commentaries who first came up with the theory about who was antichrist, among other things. Check it out for yourself.

What you are saying is that the position of prophet is gone because the Bible is a finished work. That is incorrect. The gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:28) and part of the ministry to grow babes in Christ to perfection (maturity) (Ephesians 4:11-13). Scriptures can be used to test the spirit behind any given prophecy, just as 2 Peter 1:19-21 stated. Also see Matthew 23:34, Luke 11:49, 1 Corinthians 14:29-39, 1 Timothy 4:14.

Flexibility means not being weight down by man-made practices so His will can be done through you. Missionaries have to adapt to their environment and let the Father guide their steps. Isaiah went naked and barefoot for three years; Hosea was commanded to marry a prostitute; Ezekiel had to eat bread cooked over poop; Jeremiah had to endure abuse and not strike back; Moses lived as an Egyptian; David hung out with criminals and ate the priests’ showbread with them; Elijah killed 400 priests of Ba’al; Saul was ordered to annihilate a ethnic group right down to their livestock, etc. etc. etc.

OK, the list:

1. The ones who stay on the path to the very end are the remnant and only He knows who they are, not man.

2. Jesus was foretold to be the one who creates the new covenant and what Jesus commands goes. Do you know how many different covenants He has made throughout the Bible? No one is saying the Ten Commandments are dead, but deepened by what Jesus taught. Jesus did His Father’s will on the Sabbath several times, so He earned the right to tell us when to rest—not Saturday, Sunday, but any day or, like my grandmother, everyday. Anyone who is in Christ should be able to see this.

3. I have yet to see any behave like the Apostles did. They trusted the Holy Spirit and demonstrated His Power.

4. That is theory, not fact. No, you do not have to explain; I have done much research on it. All Jesus required was that we stay watchful and listen to the true prophets.

5. Another theory but no “thus saith the Lord” which is just as bad as the pre-tribulation one. People need to seek Him alone on what is what.

6. If the prophet be proven false, then we rebuke. Do we still need prophecy or not?

7. Everyone knows that.

8. Like I said earlier, I have links to others who have looked into it and use the Bible to interpret the meanings. Do you want a few links?

9. If this is true, then this list is moot. Anyone filled by His Spirit will have the Trust always in His heart.

10. What about the Holy Spirit and His ordering of His Body to where He needs them to go? If you are not ordered by the Spirit, you are practicing religion, not advancing the Kingdom.

11. If people actually understood this, then we would be directed by the Spirit. I see precious little of that.

12. Who defines what is unhealthy? Let Him do His job, thanks.

13. It does not matter what you believe about this.

14. It does not matter what you believe about this.

15. All I need to believe is He created everything and is the One holding this ball of dirt together.

16. Let Him decide that because the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is far more important. See Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33, Acts 1:5, Acts 10:44-8, Acts 11:16,

17. The union between husband and wife is a model for Christ (God) and His Bride (the spotless, clean overcomers). All believers know this, or should. *shrug*

18. Matthew 9:2-7, Luke 5:18-25, John 14:6, the Lord’s Prayer, etc. We are to go to Him for everything on our own so He knows who we are (Luke 13:27, 2 Timothy 2:19).

19. It does not matter what you believe about this. I believe there is only one throne in heaven; Jesus is the “right hand” of the Father. That is something others need to seek His answer about.

20. It does not matter what you believe about this. I give (help, money, time, etc.) to whomever He guides me to and do so cheerfully in any amount.

21. A concept not taught in most churches and there will be a price to pay for not getting His sheep prepared. Some will learn this lesson through the “school of hard knocks.”

22. Who cares what others think? Do His will through His Spirit and don’t sweat it. Being insulted is not persecution.

23. Yes, those in Christ will be leaven in the world, salt and light. This list is not His will or Gospel.

The religious, Pharisaical spirit is loaded in this thing. Someone else would have to explain it better than I can, but He Who is the door to salvation is the only One Who can melt the heart of those who refuse to see it. Who was the audience? If it was for those who already follow this, that is useless. If it were for those who do not follow it, it is another bunch of rules dictated by someone who like to use the Scripture as a weapon for his/her own glory.

I can't read all the posts, some are too dense for my eyes and my poor English brain.

Some believe that there is more than ONE throne in heaven?
I did not know that!!

I am learning every day, but this is sad : more than one throne...

Understanding, not by human doctrines, but by revelation of the Holy Spirit, WHO is the Messiah is the key.

 

[blazingthru]

I read all that you posted and you have your beliefs that is fine. You are entitle to your opinion, I don't think at any time I attack you personally or attack your beliefs, I don't agree with what you have said, because I can't see that it aligns with the scripture. But if this is what you accept then God bless.

I however will continue my journey and comment and make suggestions and post interesting articles of things I believe that align with the scriptures and not my own personal interpretation or private thoughts or religion.

 

[Guitarhero]

Apostolic, only similar or exactly what was passed down? If so, protestant only? But it's supposed to be apostolic (ok, that's how I see it...just sayin'). In America? Mexico, Canada, Trinidad, Chile? But in Revelations 12: ""And there appeared a great sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the Sun, and the Moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and screamed in the anguish of delivery." Different levels of meaning in scripture, but Our Lady, Mother of Jesus (capital, sign of respect). 12 stars on her head? 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles (neat connection) Moon under her feet? Fr. Saunders explains it better than me and I'm running to get dinner on...but it has something to do with the truth and the church (clothed in the sun) and the moon representing the "transitoriness of temporal things" such that the Church and Our Lady rise above it, to a higher level. We are clothed in the truth and it never changes. http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0769.html

"3. Believe in the Bible as the only source of doctrine." Doctrine or tradition? Not holy tradition which was handed down and the example of the Jews such that the Church is the succession of that? That's what the apostles did, passed down tradition and commands from Jesus. II Thessalonians 2:15 "So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." Incidentally, this is exactly how the truth was handed down to Moses. Soooo.....um, last question...

"4.Believe in the once only atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross." What does that mean, exactly?


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You whetted my appetite this evening...I'm coming back to read up on the whole thread. Interesting discussion. Is this SDA doctrine?

 

[Sharpened]

I read all that you posted and you have your beliefs that is fine. You are entitle to your opinion, I don't think at any time I attack you personally or attack your beliefs, I don't agree with what you have said, because I can't see that it aligns with the scripture. But if this is what you accept then God bless.

I however will continue my journey and comment and make suggestions and post interesting articles of things I believe that align with the scriptures and not my own personal interpretation or private thoughts or religion.

Oops, forgot one item: http://newhousefoundation.org/subpage8.html

1564: The French Huguenots established a French colony named Fort Caroline in present day Florida.

1565: Spain built a Spanish Mission at St. Augustine, Florida and took possession of Fort Caroline after murdering the French Huguenots.

So, yeah, the papal reach did hit these shores, but slaughter is slaughter no matter who does it.

Everything I have said does line up with Scripture and posted a ton of it, not opinion. I do not need an organization to teach me anything because of His Spirit within me. Be honest—you could not handle what I have said and are leaning on your own understand instead of His. Whenever I am confused, I take to Him and He gives the answer in many different ways. As I said before, I do not care what people think but I will always encourage freedom in Christ for only He can transform man. Insult away…

 

[Guitarhero]

Well, I'll say that I comprehend some of what SDA believers are seeing. There is a disconnect of sorts with many christians who do not comprehend the "Old Testament" culture and scripture placed within that historical and cultural context. So, in a sense, it would seem that christianity has practically come from out of nowhere rather than as a succession from Judaism which was directly mandated by G-d (and allowing the fence laws). There is a duality: freedom in Christ and freedom from many of those "old" mandates yet, Christ has not come to change one iota of the "Old Testament." There is a sacredness and eternal sense of that in what is deemed obsolete.

 

[blazingthru]

"4.Believe in the once only atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross." What does that mean, exactly?
You whetted my appetite this evening...I'm coming back to read up on the whole thread. Interesting discussion. Is this SDA doctrine?

Christ did not come with sin
offerings, but with a body in which He
lived a life of perfect obedience. By the
example of that flesh He has consecrated
for us a way of true holiness. His victory
over sin in a body like ours assures that
we can partake by faith of the same
victory. “Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the
blood of Jesus, By a new and living way,
which he hath consecrated for us, through
the veil, that is to say, his flesh. … Let us
draw near with a true heart in full
assurance of faith, having our hearts
sprinkled from an evil conscience.”
Hebrews 10:19-22.

His blood ratified the New
Covenant by which the law is written on
the heart. This spiritualizes the believer,
enabling Christ to live out His life of
obedience within.

Christ’s unchanging priesthood
makes available every moment the merits
of His atoning blood for justification and
sanctification. He takes away sin by
cleansing the record of sin from the ( You know that all sin is recorded, everything we do and say is recorded in heaven)
sanctuary through forgiveness, and by
cleansing the hearts of the believers
through His sanctifying presence.
“Wherefore He is able also to save them
to the uttermost that come unto God by
him, seeing he ever liveth to make
intercession for them.” Hebrews 7:25.

Paul speaks of “boldness” and “full assurance” in following our High Priest into the holiest. Who could not come confidently when the cleansing effects are spelled out by phrases such as these: “hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience,” “perfected forever them that are sanctified,” “no more conscience of sin,” “put away sin,”” purge your conscience from dead works,” and saved “to the uttermost”?
If the blood of Christ did not make provision for purging the conscience and perfecting the worshiper, it would have no advantage over the ceremonial law of sacrifices. And if no people could be produced by Christ who would fulfill God’s original requirement of obedience, Satan’s charges against God would be true. But if it can be proved that obedience is possible through the power of God, then every sinner will finally have to acknowledge the justice of God in requiring obedience as a test of loyalty and love.
Thank God that provision has been made for the past, present, and future. The atoning merits of the once-for-all sacrifice of the true Lamb are still being extended to such as are being sanctified and will continue until our High Priest steps out from the heavenly sanctuary. “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Hebrews 4:16. Right now, as you read these words, Jesus is pleading His blood for you. By faith, follow Him through the veil so that He can blot out your sins and deliver you from sin’s power!

* I am not a minister, I don't have the deep study required for certain questions but I do know the basics, I know we cannot assume we have all the answers to anything, we can only hope and pray we are on the right track and continue to study and pray and ask God for wisdom to make sure we are.

 

[blazingthru]

Oops, forgot one item: http://newhousefoundation.org/subpage8.html

1564: The French Huguenots established a French colony named Fort Caroline in present day Florida.

1565: Spain built a Spanish Mission at St. Augustine, Florida and took possession of Fort Caroline after murdering the French Huguenots.

So, yeah, the papal reach did hit these shores, but slaughter is slaughter no matter who does it.

Everything I have said does line up with Scripture and posted a ton of it, not opinion. I do not need an organization to teach me anything because of His Spirit within me. Be honest—you could not handle what I have said and are leaning on your own understand instead of His. Whenever I am confused, I take to Him and He gives the answer in many different ways. As I said before, I do not care what people think but I will always encourage freedom in Christ for only He can transform man. Insult away…

I could not give my honest opinion about the things you have said because I don't believe they align with scripture, sure you may have some of the facts regarding the wars and so forth I wasn't' there I don't know who was here and who was not. thats what the text say and I copied it. My opinion was it did not reach here in America, I was evidently wrong on that part, nor do I care about that either, I don't it has nothing to do with our salvation and being in the correct Church, The true church came out of the earth, The US was very new then and not heavenly populated and that portion and others make it possible to believe its regrowth I believe all above about what is the correct Church. ALL OF IT. You have gave your own personal opinion about what is what above not from scripture. I haven't given my personal opinion, because I know it matters not what I feel or think, What matters is are you getting the correct teaching and if your teaching yourself how can you? Who's to say. The money we earn on our jobs or from wherever is a blessing and we are to be mindful of that, we do have to give an account as to how we spend the money, there are examples of this in the bible (the Talents) everything that is in the bible is for our example and our teachings, and our growth. So I need to respond to each statement in the List, because its important. You don't have to comment to me any more its your choice but we will not agree and I am okay with you not agreeing with me, nor am I arguing with you.

 

[blazingthru]

The Woman Symbolizes the Church
Revelation 12 is basically the narrative account of a beautiful, sun-clad woman and her descendants. “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1).
Here we are introduced to one of the most familiar symbols in the Bible. In both the Old and the New Testaments, God represents His people by a woman. As the bridegroom, He is married to the church. Paul wrote to the Corinthians, “I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ” (2 Corinthians 11:2).
All through the Bible we can follow the record of this symbolism. God said in the Old Testament, “I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman” (Jeremiah 6:2). And again, “Say unto Zion, Thou art my people” (Isaiah 51:16). The church is called Zion and God compares it with a beautiful woman. In the Old Testament, Israel was the chosen people so often portrayed as being married to God. In the New Testament, the true Israel of God is no longer a nation but a church composed of Jews and Gentiles who receive Christ as their Savior. Therefore, the woman of Revelation 12 flashes us the picture-story of the church at the time of Christ. The clothing of sunlight typifies the glorious New Covenant of grace, and the twelve stars represent the twelve apostles. The moon under her feet indicates the fading glory of the Old Covenant in the presence of the true Lamb of God.

 

[blazingthru]

And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads . . . and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne” (Revelation 12:2-5).
Who is this man-child destined to rule all nations and who was caught up to heaven? Only one person can meet this description—Jesus Christ. And who does the dragon represent, who tried to kill Christ at His birth? It was Herod, the representative of Rome, who sent out the order for all babies of two years and under to be slaughtered. Ordinarily, the dragon is used as a symbol of Satan, but in this case, the devil was working so closely with the Roman power to kill Jesus that the dragon also symbolizes Rome.
How did Jesus escape the diabolical decree of Herod? Joseph and Mary were warned of the danger in a dream and fled to Egypt with the infant. Later, after the death of the tyrant, they returned and settled in the town of Nazareth.
Even though the devil was foiled in his initial plot to kill Jesus, he did not abandon his purpose. Repeatedly, he sought to take the life of Jesus, and finally, he managed to bring Him to that mockery of a trial where He was tortured, crucified, and buried. But the grave could not contain the Son of God, and on the third day He burst out of the tomb. Later, He ascended to His Father in heaven.

 

[blazingthru]

Persecution of the Church
With no direct access to Jesus, the dragon (Rome) now turned his anger against the followers of Christ, the church: “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child” (Revelation 12:13).
These words provide only a tiny hint of the horror of the violence which broke forth against the apostolic church. Practically all the early disciples and church leaders were martyred for their faith. Cruel pagan emperors turned the sporting arenas and coliseums into theaters of death for those who followed the true gospel.
Soon pagan Rome yielded to papal Rome, and the persecutions continued with even greater force. Millions died under the terrible inquisitions which sought to eradicate all opposition to the papal system. Historians estimate that during the Dark Ages more that fifty million people laid down their lives rather than yield up their Protestant faith.
But let’s follow the tragic story in our prophetic outline. Revelation 12:14 tells us what the true church did as the pressures of persecution built up to a climax: “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
In order to escape extinction, the faithful Protestant refugees fled back into the Alpine mountains and valleys holding onto the true doctrine delivered by Jesus. Another book of Acts could be written about the heroism of the Waldenses, Huguenots, and Albigenses who refused to surrender their faith during those centuries of fierce oppression. God fought for them, and sometimes the pursuing armies of Rome were cut off by mysterious avalanches and rock slides. At other times the mountain streams were reddened by the blood of those faithful ones who sealed their devotion to the truth with their lives. The Revelation prophecy gives a symbolic picture of the desperate attempts made to wipe out those minority Christians who were now in hiding for their very survival: “And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood” (Revelation 12:15). How long was the true church to remain out of sight in the wilderness? The prophecy declares it would be for “a time, times, and half a time.” How mysterious! What is meant by this strange description of the time period involved? When would it end? The answer is found in verse 6: “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”
Now the picture begins to clear up. One verse says the woman was in the wilderness for 1,260 days and the other verse says she was there for “a time, times, and half a time.” These two periods are equal. This means that a “time” has to be a year in prophetic symbolism, “times” is two years, and “half a time” is half a year. When we add up the one, the two, and the half, we get three and a half years. And that is equal to exactly 1,260 days, using the Bible reckoning of 30 days to the month.
There is one more principle of prophetic interpretation to take into account here. In symbolic Bible prophecy a day always stands for a year. You will find the key for that principle in Ezekiel 4:6: “I have appointed thee each day for a year.” It is laid down elsewhere in these words: “. . . forty days, each day for a year” (Numbers 14:34).
Please note that this applies only to symbolic prophecy, and cannot be read into other portions of the Scripture. A day is used for a year only in the setting of an obvious prophetic context. This places the woman in her wilderness hideaway for the full period of 1,260 literal years.
Our conclusion must be, then, that the true church could not appear in the world until the end of the 1,260 years. Did such a thing happen to the true people of God? How long did the papal power continue to suppress the true doctrines by the exercise of her religio-political authority?
Here is a fascinating point of history. In a.d. 538 a decree by Emperor Justinian went into effect which assigned absolute spiritual preeminence to the church of Rome. Gradually, this religious tyranny drifted into union with civil powers until eventually kings were forced to seek permission from the pope before they could begin to rule. This authority remained in force until the year 1798 when Europe was rocked by the French Revolution. In the subsequent rebellion of the oppressed peasants against the privileged clergy, the pope was captured in 1798. The papal property was confiscated, and the French Directory government decreed that there would be no more Bishop of Rome. The oppressive rule of the papacy ended exactly 1,260 years after it was inaugurated in A.D. 538.

 

[blazingthru]

Three Marks of the True Church
This brings us to a most important observation: THE TRUE CHURCH COULD NOT APPEAR IN THE WORLD UNTIL AFTER THE YEAR 1798. It was to remain in hiding until the end of the 1,260 years, and that “wilderness” period ended in 1798. We have before us now one of the most amazing marks of identification for the true church. It is not based on some emotional feeling or upon some strained interpretation of a single Bible text. It is rooted in a prophetic revelation of a specific time period which can be verified by scores of historical records. The woman (church) simply could not make her appearance until the inhibiting powers of papal opposition had been taken out of the way. That prophesied event took place in 1798, and the truth which had been clothed in sackcloth now began to emerge from obscurity, soon to appear as the glorious remnant of the woman.
Now we are brought to an actual description of the woman as she would appear before the world sometime after the year 1798: “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Revelation 12:17).
This text is one of the most crucial to be found in the entire Bible. Nowhere is there a more concise description of the last-day remnant of the original apostolic faith as it was preserved through the ages. Here is an actual verbal definition of the true church for the present day. It is so important that we are going to analyze every word in order to extract the full meaning. If the true church can be discovered at all in the Bible, this will be the verse to reveal it.
“AND THE DRAGON . . .” Who is the dragon? There can be no question on this point. In Revelation 12:9 the dragon is called “the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world.”
“WAS WROTH . . .” What does that mean? “Wroth” is the Old English word for “angry.” It simply means that Satan was angry. Whom was he angry with? “WROTH WITH THE WOMAN . . .” Who was the woman? We have already found that she is the true apostolic church, representing the great, original teachings of Jesus. “AND WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT OF HER SEED . . .” Here a new word is introduced into the picture. Satan is going to fight against the REMNANT of the true church. What is a remnant? It is the last end piece on a bolt of cloth. It is exactly like the first piece that came off the bolt, but it happens to be at the very end and is always a small piece.
What does this tell us about the remnant of the woman? It is the last part of the true church, at the very end of time, which will be holding the exact same doctrines as did the early, apostolic church. But let’s read on.
“WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. . .” What commandments would this be referring to? This designates the great moral law written by the finger of God on tables of stone. The Ten Commandments reflect the character of God, reveal His will for all His creatures, and form the basis for all morality and true worship.
Here we are confronted with the second intriguing mark of identification of the true church. Not only must it arise some time after the year 1798, but on the authority of the Word of God, it would have to be keeping ALL the Ten Commandments of God.
But now let’s finish reading this fantastic verse. “AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.” Here is another characteristic of the true remnant. Not only will this last-day church arise after 1798 and keep all the Ten Commandments, but it will have the testimony of Jesus. But what is the testimony of Jesus? That is an unfamiliar phrase, and we need more than human wisdom to uncover its meaning
Notice how the Bible specifically defines this expression for us. If this text truly contains the heart of ultimate truth for us, the Word of God would have to clarify every part of it. The definition is provided by the word of an angel sent all the way from heaven to explain it to John. “I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Revelation 19:10).
There it is! We know now without a shadow of doubt that the testimony of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY. And this is the third great mark of identity for the last-day true church!
Let me ask you something: Does a spirit of excitement rise up in you as these plain biblical statements zero in on the mostsought-after secret in the Word of God? We are getting closer and closer to identifying the special people of God in our day and their special message. And we are doing it by allowing the Bible to make the identification. We have not fabricated a single one of these three definitive characteristics. No one can honestly challenge their application to the end-time church of Jesus Christ. That remnant church will have to possess all three of these biblical tags of identity:

1. ARISE AFTER 1798
2. KEEP ALL THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
3. HAVE THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY