The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

Lylddlebit

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Sorry @dynamic1 tried to answer you but I don't want to derail the thread and your profile is blocked to answer you directly. So I will just leave it alone, since my post was moreso my experience in lieu of suggestions.=

Thanks for all the feedback. I asked myself do I feel penalized and punished. Not really. I know I made sacrifices but considered them worth it. It's more like "Okay now you want a grand gesture? Half-assed-Hail Mary-disingenuous-for show grumble, grumble, grumble...but I am still watching because I hope I am wrong and this works ...then as I was typing @Melaninme your exempt from the mandate article came up and I said "now that's that sh...." lol and just pressed send lol. I promise I am not against everything I'm just including my provisions into the equation and am grateful the times sacrifices in one area creates the leeway I am looking for in others until it's time for something else... Thanks ya'll.
 
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Melaninme

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Sorry @dynamic1 tried to answer you but I don't want to derail the thread and your profile is blocked to answer you directly. So I will just leave it alone, since my post was moreso my experience in lieu of suggestions.=

Thanks for all the feedback. I asked myself do I feel penalized and punished. Not really. I know I made sacrifices but considered them worth it. It's more like "Okay now you want a grand gesture? Half-assed-Hail Mary-disingenuous-for show grumble, grumble, grumble...but I am still watching because I hope I am wrong and this wroks ...then as I was typing @Melaninme your exempt from the mandate article came up and I said "no that's that sh...." lol and just pressed send lol.
@Lylddlebit
@The bolded

I didn't get/sense that you felt this way after reading your post. I totally understand where you are coming from. Your frustrations/concerns are valid and your sacrifices you've made have been worth it as proof of you and your family's successful avoidance of this nasty virus.

And like you, I don't want to derail this thread as I understood from reading your post that you were just sharing your experience (not wanting to debate/argue).
Just wanted to show/give you my support that it's okay to share your truth...debate and judgement free. :bighug:

I apologize if my post took away from yours as that was not my intent.
 
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Lylddlebit

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@Lylddlebit
@The bolded

I didn't get/sense that you felt this way after reading your post. I totally understand where you are coming from. Your frustrations/concerns are valid and your sacrifices you've made have been worth it as proof of you and your family's successful avoidance of this nasty virus.

And like you, I don't want to derail this thread as I understood from reading your post that you were just sharing your experience (not wanting to debate/argue).
Just wanted to show/give you my support that it's okay to share your truth...debate and judgement free. :bighug:

I apologize if my post took away from yours as that was not my intent.
No problem at all. I appreciated your post and understanding. Every one who @ me came from a genuine authentic place to match the tone of my post and it was well rounded. I really appreciate it.
 

MamaBear2012

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Two weeks. It only took my school two weeks to have the first positive case.
If parents haven’t consented to the test, they have the option to have them tested elsewhere weekly, as long as they show proof. However, there’s no accountability. If the parents aren’t having them tested anywhere, there’s no follow-up, no one is asking them to uphold their end of the agreement they signed.
I got a message today from a friend that another elementary school in the city has 30 positive students and 1 positive adult.
And, @Crackers Phinn my school district is doing the same thing: a vaccinated adult, positive but asymptomatic does not have to quarantine.

Oh, I know. It took 6 days for us to have our first positive case. And that's because school started on a Thursday and we do testing on a Tuesday. If they had tested on the first day, we probably would have had our first positive case on that same day. I'm dismayed by the fact that my son was quarantined in August and now quarantined in September. That's my headache.

I've read the same policies about a vaccinated adult being positive and asymptomatic not having to quarantine as well. Which means a vaccinated teacher who is positive, but says they don't have symptoms could continue to come in and teach all of these unvaccinated babies. But the policies aren't consistent, they change by school, change by classes, change by the day. And we have already heard about a district not far from me where the teachers aren't reporting their positive cases because they will have to use sick days. So, they go into work with Covid. I'm still praying for a vaccine for the little ones to come soon.
 

MamaBear2012

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Please pray for us. My 7 YO's PCR came back positive. They want us to lock her in a room so she doesn't expose her sister. She is okay. We don't know if she got it from her sister, her van driver....IDK. She hasn't been in school since the 3rd.
Just pray for us and my mental health.
I'm so tired.

ETA: Her dad took her. His PCR came back negative. He is vaccinated, as am I.
I'll be praying. You can do it. Our neighbors have a now 9 year old and 5 year old. Over the summer, the 9 year old (he was 8 then) tested positive. They were able to keep the kids separate for the most part until he tested negative. And no one else in the house tested positive. I'm praying that your daughter has no symptoms and that you all have peace.
 

yamilee21

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The CDC travel warning is nonsensical. Many of the countries on the list have much lower rates of Covid cases and deaths than the U.S., but they are poor/developing countries who can’t vaccinate their populations because the U.S. and Europe have hoarded the majority of the vaccines. Or they *have* vaccinated their populations, using ineffective Chinese vaccines… because the good vaccines are unavailable due to the vaccine hoarding situation. Or, like Cuba, they said “Screw it, let’s make our own vaccine,” but the international vaccine powers that be haven’t approved their vaccines. :dizzy: Of course, traveling for leisure fduring this pandemic is utter foolishness in the first place, but the U.S. is being obnoxious - more people tested positive on Thursday in Texas than have tested positive in Papua New Guinea during the entire pandemic. :rolleyes: It’s like when the U.S. issues travel warnings due to violence in other countries… uh, which country has a mass shooting on a daily basis again?
 

dynamic1

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Sorry @dynamic1 tried to answer you but I don't want to derail the thread and your profile is blocked to answer you directly. So I will just leave it alone, since my post was moreso my experience in lieu of suggestions.=

Thanks for all the feedback. I asked myself do I feel penalized and punished. Not really. I know I made sacrifices but considered them worth it. It's more like "Okay now you want a grand gesture? Half-assed-Hail Mary-disingenuous-for show grumble, grumble, grumble...but I am still watching because I hope I am wrong and this works ...then as I was typing @Melaninme your exempt from the mandate article came up and I said "now that's that sh...." lol and just pressed send lol. I promise I am not against everything I'm just including my provisions into the equation and am grateful the times sacrifices in one area creates the leeway I am looking for in others until it's time for something else... Thanks ya'll.

Sorry @dynamic1 tried to answer you but I don't want to derail the thread and your profile is blocked to answer you directly. So I will just leave it alone, since my post was moreso my experience in lieu of suggestions.=

Thanks for all the feedback. I asked myself do I feel penalized and punished. Not really. I know I made sacrifices but considered them worth it. It's more like "Okay now you want a grand gesture? Half-assed-Hail Mary-disingenuous-for show grumble, grumble, grumble...but I am still watching because I hope I am wrong and this works ...then as I was typing @Melaninme your exempt from the mandate article came up and I said "now that's that sh...." lol and just pressed send lol. I promise I am not against everything I'm just including my provisions into the equation and am grateful the times sacrifices in one area creates the leeway I am looking for in others until it's time for something else... Thanks ya'll.
I'm glad the article brought you some relief.

I believe we're on topic with Covid-19: News, Preparation, Tips, Etc. Each time I come up with answers, responses, or a course of action regarding the subject, there are just more questions. In your post you appeared understandably frustrated at what seems like mandates chasing a moving target or government throwing things at the wall to see what sticks when you're doing what's appropriate for your family. The people who haven't been doing the right thing or using their critical thinking skills like your family, have created the scenario for decisions to be made for others.

Everyone believes they are doing what's appropriate for their family and who are we to judge them for it...I would be shocked to find an anti-vaxxer place themselves in a different category than a vaccine sensitive/intolerant person (won't take vs. can't take). Look at the number of people that suddenly became disabled when asked to wear a mask appearing at grocery stores and restaurants to argue with employees.
 

Melaninme

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Black Ambrosia

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I do not know that this mandate was a good idea. And y’all know I’m pro vaccination. The whole thing makes me nervous.

One of DSs friends has a medically fragile baby brother. He just celebrated his first birthday. Yesterday he got really sick and they found out he has covid :nono: Apparently his kidneys are failing now.
Honestly I don’t know anyone who wasn’t apprehensive about the vaccines initially or who’s sincerely happy about the mandate but we’re at a point where too many people are still being reckless despite evidence of covid being real, coming for kids and healthy people, and taking out the hospital system. If everyone did what vevster or lylddlebit are doing we’d have never gotten to this point but the hospital system as we know it is about to collapse.

I’m bothered that no one is talking about this plainly like we’re 3 year olds or loudly for the people in the cheap seats. The national guard has been deployed in multiple states to help hospitals that are overwhelmed. We’re all vulnerable individually and nationally as a result. Biden’s hand was forced. He didn’t want to do this and said months ago he wouldn’t but here we are with the consequences of folk who refuse to do anything to prevent or limit the spread of covid and politicians who’s actions are spreading covid while they position themselves for political gain. Blame the mandate on them.
 
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Everything Zen

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From what perspective?
I’m just being facetious. As a nation this is THEE perfect opportunity to usher in a national healthcare system. I like was it Bernie’s idea?
of gradually lowering the age of Medicare by 5-10 years at a time as a potential strategy of doing it. Because the long term effects of COVID… long haul symptoms- as a nation we will all be collectively more unhealthy and I just don’t see the insurance companies being able to handle it anymore. The quality of healthcare as we know it will decline for everybody if we don’t do something.
 

snoop

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The CDC travel warning is nonsensical. Many of the countries on the list have much lower rates of Covid cases and deaths than the U.S., but they are poor/developing countries who can’t vaccinate their populations because the U.S. and Europe have hoarded the majority of the vaccines. Or they *have* vaccinated their populations, using ineffective Chinese vaccines… because the good vaccines are unavailable due to the vaccine hoarding situation. Or, like Cuba, they said “Screw it, let’s make our own vaccine,” but the international vaccine powers that be haven’t approved their vaccines. :dizzy: Of course, traveling for leisure fduring this pandemic is utter foolishness in the first place, but the U.S. is being obnoxious - more people tested positive on Thursday in Texas than have tested positive in Papua New Guinea during the entire pandemic. :rolleyes: It’s like when the U.S. issues travel warnings due to violence in other countries… uh, which country has a mass shooting on a daily basis again?

But some of these countries do not want their numbers to go up and are struggling as is.

After hearing how Americans our out whiling like there currently isn't a pandemic, they're better off doing what they can to keep Americans home for a bit.
 

B_Phlyy

Pineapple Eating Unicorn


I put in my notice last week. My last day is September 30, but I'll be on vacation from 9/16-9/28. The last 2 days will mostly be cleaning out my desk and getting flowers.

I'm still going to work in healthcare but I'm going to a place closer to my home that doesn't directly deal with COVID like the one I'm at now. And yes, the pay raise was significant. I knew my current place couldn't match, but even if they could, I wouldn't stay. They are at a critical staff shortage but refuse to offer raises or any concession to already established employees. But they seem to have money to pay out the nose to agency staff for super short contracts (8-12 weeks).
 

Black Ambrosia

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Anyone got access to post this. Stupid pay wall.

Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is a Big Mistake​

Sept. 10, 2021

By Robby Soave

There’s one person that President Biden desperately needs to consult about his new federal vaccine mandate: President-elect Biden.

In December 2020, as the prospect of imminent mass vaccination against Covid-19 was finally becoming a reality, Mr. Biden leveled with the American people: He said he would not force anyone to get the jab. “No, I don’t think it should be mandatory,” he told reporters. “I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory.”

Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, recently reiterated Mr. Biden’s position. “That’s not the role of the federal government,” she declared on July 23, referring to the idea of a government mandate. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the same thing a week later: “There will be no nationwide mandate.”

So much for that. On Thursday, Mr. Biden announced a far-reaching vaccine mandate that applies to most federal workers, hospitals, public schools and 80 million employees of private companies. Under the White House’s presumptuous plan, workplaces that employ more than 100 people must require their employees to either get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing — a burden so onerous that for many businesses, it will not be a choice at all.

The president’s plan is certainly well intentioned. The vaccines are the only tried-and-true strategy for defeating Covid; government officials should both encourage vaccination and make it easier to get vaccinated. Health officials must continue selling people on the vaccines by emphasizing the considerable upside: Vaccination decreases transmission of the virus and turns hospitalization and death into very unlikely outcomes. It provides such robust protection that 99 percent of coronavirus fatalities in the United States now occur in the unvaccinated population. Vaccination works, and it’s the right option for a vast majority of Americans.

But forcing vaccines on a minority contingent of unwilling people is a huge error that risks shredding the social fabric of a country already being pulled apart by political tribalism.

The president should not — and most likely does not — have the power to unilaterally compel millions of private-sector workers to get vaccinated or risk losing their jobs: Mr. Biden is presiding over a vast expansion of federal authority, one that Democrats will certainly come to regret the next time a Republican takes power. Moreover, the mechanism of enforcement — a presidential decree smuggled into law by the Department of Labor and its Occupational Safety and Health Administration — is fundamentally undemocratic. Congress is supposed to make new laws, not an unaccountable bureaucratic agency.

While more than 70 percent of American adults have received a shot, a smaller but sizable group of people, for various reasons, are unvaccinated. Some members of this group have antibodies from a previous Covid case and are reasonably protected from future illness, according to recent data. There is little benefit to forcing vaccination on such people, and Mr. Biden’s decision to not exempt them is a significant misstep.

Unvaccinated individuals who were never infected by Covid would certainly benefit from vaccination. But the coercive approach has major downsides. The most anti-vaccine Americans — those who are adamantly refusing the jab because of a misguided belief that it’s dangerous — will probably not change their minds because the government is strong-arming employers. On the contrary, the federal mandate might actually be taken as confirmation of their paranoid suspicions that the vaccines have less to do with their health and more to do with social control.

As a practical matter, it’s undeniable that the federal mandate will engender a titanic backlash and create a spate of lawsuits. Vaccine holdouts have already taken legal action against employers requiring vaccination: Todd Zywicki, a law professor at George Mason University in Virginia who had recovered from Covid and has antibodies, recently fought his institution’s mandate and prevailed. And Republican governors are certain to battle Mr. Biden over this policy. Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, a Republican, tweeted at the president, “See you in court.”

It’s true that courts have upheld vaccine mandates in certain circumstances: In a 1922 case, the Supreme Court famously ruled that a city ordinance could deny admission to students who failed to get the smallpox vaccine. But the assertion that a public official can completely sidestep the legislative process and enact a much farther-reaching vaccine mandate via administrative action should elicit skepticism from even those who vigorously support vaccination.

There are other ways to nudge the populace in the right direction. Rather than punishing the unvaccinated, the government could create an incentive for vaccination by lifting restrictions for the vaccinated. This was the approach initially taken by the C.D.C., which said this year that since the vaccinated were well protected, they could almost always safely discard their masks. Unfortunately, the more transmissible Delta variant spooked federal health officials, and the C.D.C. reversed course. Some municipalities, including Washington, then reimposed mask mandates, even though the science hasn’t actually changed: The vaccinated are still well protected from Covid.

Some people would probably voluntarily get the shot if they knew for certain that a vaccination card was a ticket to living a normal life once again. Regrettably, Mr. Biden’s mandate moves in the exact opposite direction, with the White House saying his plan will ensure that “strong mask requirements remain in place.” If the government is concerned about vaccine hesitancy, it should trust the vaccines and drop other restrictions. People should know that if they get vaccinated, they will be better off. Instead, the White House is sending the message that people must get vaccinated but should hardly expect things to be different afterward.

It’s worth repeating that the federal vaccine mandate represents a broad expansion of the executive branch’s power. And Mr. Biden will not be the chief executive forever. Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a plausible 2024 Republican presidential candidate, has used his current authority to prohibit private vaccine mandates in his state. Is this really the time to solidify the idea that the president is the ultimate authority on whether such things should be required or forbidden?
 

oneastrocurlie

Well-Known Member

Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Is a Big Mistake​

Sept. 10, 2021

By Robby Soave

There’s one person that President Biden desperately needs to consult about his new federal vaccine mandate: President-elect Biden.

In December 2020, as the prospect of imminent mass vaccination against Covid-19 was finally becoming a reality, Mr. Biden leveled with the American people: He said he would not force anyone to get the jab. “No, I don’t think it should be mandatory,” he told reporters. “I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory.”

Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, recently reiterated Mr. Biden’s position. “That’s not the role of the federal government,” she declared on July 23, referring to the idea of a government mandate. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the same thing a week later: “There will be no nationwide mandate.”

So much for that. On Thursday, Mr. Biden announced a far-reaching vaccine mandate that applies to most federal workers, hospitals, public schools and 80 million employees of private companies. Under the White House’s presumptuous plan, workplaces that employ more than 100 people must require their employees to either get vaccinated or submit to weekly testing — a burden so onerous that for many businesses, it will not be a choice at all.

The president’s plan is certainly well intentioned. The vaccines are the only tried-and-true strategy for defeating Covid; government officials should both encourage vaccination and make it easier to get vaccinated. Health officials must continue selling people on the vaccines by emphasizing the considerable upside: Vaccination decreases transmission of the virus and turns hospitalization and death into very unlikely outcomes. It provides such robust protection that 99 percent of coronavirus fatalities in the United States now occur in the unvaccinated population. Vaccination works, and it’s the right option for a vast majority of Americans.

But forcing vaccines on a minority contingent of unwilling people is a huge error that risks shredding the social fabric of a country already being pulled apart by political tribalism.

The president should not — and most likely does not — have the power to unilaterally compel millions of private-sector workers to get vaccinated or risk losing their jobs: Mr. Biden is presiding over a vast expansion of federal authority, one that Democrats will certainly come to regret the next time a Republican takes power. Moreover, the mechanism of enforcement — a presidential decree smuggled into law by the Department of Labor and its Occupational Safety and Health Administration — is fundamentally undemocratic. Congress is supposed to make new laws, not an unaccountable bureaucratic agency.

While more than 70 percent of American adults have received a shot, a smaller but sizable group of people, for various reasons, are unvaccinated. Some members of this group have antibodies from a previous Covid case and are reasonably protected from future illness, according to recent data. There is little benefit to forcing vaccination on such people, and Mr. Biden’s decision to not exempt them is a significant misstep.

Unvaccinated individuals who were never infected by Covid would certainly benefit from vaccination. But the coercive approach has major downsides. The most anti-vaccine Americans — those who are adamantly refusing the jab because of a misguided belief that it’s dangerous — will probably not change their minds because the government is strong-arming employers. On the contrary, the federal mandate might actually be taken as confirmation of their paranoid suspicions that the vaccines have less to do with their health and more to do with social control.

As a practical matter, it’s undeniable that the federal mandate will engender a titanic backlash and create a spate of lawsuits. Vaccine holdouts have already taken legal action against employers requiring vaccination: Todd Zywicki, a law professor at George Mason University in Virginia who had recovered from Covid and has antibodies, recently fought his institution’s mandate and prevailed. And Republican governors are certain to battle Mr. Biden over this policy. Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, a Republican, tweeted at the president, “See you in court.”

It’s true that courts have upheld vaccine mandates in certain circumstances: In a 1922 case, the Supreme Court famously ruled that a city ordinance could deny admission to students who failed to get the smallpox vaccine. But the assertion that a public official can completely sidestep the legislative process and enact a much farther-reaching vaccine mandate via administrative action should elicit skepticism from even those who vigorously support vaccination.

There are other ways to nudge the populace in the right direction. Rather than punishing the unvaccinated, the government could create an incentive for vaccination by lifting restrictions for the vaccinated. This was the approach initially taken by the C.D.C., which said this year that since the vaccinated were well protected, they could almost always safely discard their masks. Unfortunately, the more transmissible Delta variant spooked federal health officials, and the C.D.C. reversed course. Some municipalities, including Washington, then reimposed mask mandates, even though the science hasn’t actually changed: The vaccinated are still well protected from Covid.

Some people would probably voluntarily get the shot if they knew for certain that a vaccination card was a ticket to living a normal life once again. Regrettably, Mr. Biden’s mandate moves in the exact opposite direction, with the White House saying his plan will ensure that “strong mask requirements remain in place.” If the government is concerned about vaccine hesitancy, it should trust the vaccines and drop other restrictions. People should know that if they get vaccinated, they will be better off. Instead, the White House is sending the message that people must get vaccinated but should hardly expect things to be different afterward.

It’s worth repeating that the federal vaccine mandate represents a broad expansion of the executive branch’s power. And Mr. Biden will not be the chief executive forever. Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a plausible 2024 Republican presidential candidate, has used his current authority to prohibit private vaccine mandates in his state. Is this really the time to solidify the idea that the president is the ultimate authority on whether such things should be required or forbidden?

Thank you for posting.

This opinion piece feel apart right about here:

The president’s plan is certainly well intentioned. The vaccines are the only tried-and-true strategy for defeating Covid;

And here
There are other ways to nudge the populace in the right direction. Rather than punishing the unvaccinated, the government could create an incentive for vaccination by lifting restrictions for the vaccinated. This was the approach initially taken by the C.D.C., which said this year that since the vaccinated were well protected, they could almost always safely discard their masks. Unfortunately, the more transmissible Delta variant spooked federal health officials, and the C.D.C. reversed course. Some municipalities, including Washington, then reimposed mask mandates, even though the science hasn’t actually changed: The vaccinated are still well protected from Covid.

They forgetting this part:

 

naturalgyrl5199

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Two weeks. It only took my school two weeks to have the first positive case.
If parents haven’t consented to the test, they have the option to have them tested elsewhere weekly, as long as they show proof. However, there’s no accountability. If the parents aren’t having them tested anywhere, there’s no follow-up, no one is asking them to uphold their end of the agreement they signed.
I got a message today from a friend that another elementary school in the city has 30 positive students and 1 positive adult.
And, @Crackers Phinn my school district is doing the same thing: a vaccinated adult, positive but asymptomatic does not have to quarantine.
Here in the FL capital.....BY day 2, we had a girl quarantined (who eventually died), and a PE teacher who is now hoping to be picked up by the Mayo clinic to be a lung patient. 40 yrs old, muscular, and he has been out since day 5 (which was the 2nd week). In our county over 2000 kids and faculty (mostly kids) and we will be 1 month in school by Monday :(

Protocols are all over the place. The school district says if you are exposed, ASYMPTOMATIC, and quarantining, you test on the 5th day, and if negative, return on the 6th. If you choose not to test, and you are ASYMPTOMATIC, you have to wait 10 days and then you can return if asymptomatic.

Now, with my own child who has been quarantining for 7 days now...we tested her on day 5 and on day 6 her PCR came back positive. Had we just waited the 10 days, and she continued to be asymptomatic, she would have been in school with covid--masked up---but technically covid positive. She is really good about her mask, but someone would have been exposed by her. So my question is--how many kids (and adults) who were asymptomatic and quarantined but never tested---are out there as asymptomatic covid carriers? And I can bet some are non-mask wearers.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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So is we gonna talk about National Health Care or no?
It needs to be discussed. Our health care system has shown us in so many ways that its not equipped. In the south we keep electing Governors who keep stripping basic health care away. On a county or community or regional level, insurance companies have varying coverage prices for the same procedures. In Fl...we have had back to back GOP governors slowly thin the State Health Department out when they used to be the Health Dept other states looked to for guidance on disaster planning, recovery, and pandemic and endemic disease. The statistics of the conditions babies are born in the US has slowly seen us slide to the bottom on a global scale, and then specifically in the south on a national scale. Crime is going up and people were at first blaming certain leaders but years and years after said leader has left, crime is still going up....Crime increases suggest more are going without in many ways. In my world, women are having a hard time getting past 35-36 weeks gestation. Premature delivery of late preterm infants is at an ALL TIME HIGH. Allostatic load and stress has worsened for them, and mental health resources remain scant. The pandemic has exposed the problem we knew we had but continue to make it "an individual's problem." In Florida we fixed the Opiod epidemic problem because it was OVERWHELMINGLY white babies and mothers dying. Rick Scott closed every pain clinic in the state. Overnight. A Billion Dollar business died. This policy saved the white babies....and kept the white babies out the foster care system too. Its not as bad but a black woman I spoke to yesterday is fostering a 1 week old white baby addicted to meth. But POLICIES, POLICIES, POLICIES can work. White folk do it when its them. Same for abortion, and SOON, when more white women are dying (cause this maternal mortality stuff is killing them too) they will try and do something to "save the babies."
 
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