The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

naturalgyrl5199

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I’m just being facetious. As a nation this is THEE perfect opportunity to usher in a national healthcare system. I like was it Bernie’s idea?
of gradually lowering the age of Medicare by 5-10 years at a time as a potential strategy of doing it. Because the long term effects of COVID… long haul symptoms- as a nation we will all be collectively more unhealthy and I just don’t see the insurance companies being able to handle it anymore. The quality of healthcare as we know it will decline for everybody if we don’t do something.
I hate that its going to be something that life insurance companies are going to exclude or upcharge ppl for.

Long Haulers has so many people on disability right now because they are otherwise healthy and cannot work...walk, do regular daily activities of living. Its so sad.

This is why I'm not mad a Biden for his decision. I know he didn't come to it lightly. It would be the absolute last thing I would do. But he literally has nothing else in his arsenal SAVE A SHUT DOWN that would basically have blood in the streets. Biden and this government are literally out of options. Because we were ALL supposed to come together. But the GOP, the authors of intentional chaos has made that extremely hard. This will make re-electing a Democrat very hard. 2022 and 2024 might see me renting a cave to hide in.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Thank you for posting.

This opinion piece feel apart right about here:



And here


They forgetting this part:

THIS! This tweet is the entire point. People cannot get life-saving treatment and surgeries because we can't get this thing slowed down. I think that throwing money and incentives for the vaccinated continue to be a good option. If money drives it, then why not? I am seeing more people dying from COVID than the vaccine. Period.

Also---for many under the mandate---you can get weekly testing. What's wrong with that? If you are positive, you sit home until you are well. Some of you can continue to get paid a wage if you are covid positive due to good paid leave or you can still work. I don't know what ya'll want the leaders to do. We are WAY PAST personal responsibility. Ain't NONE. Ya'll really don't understand that people D G A F. A whole politician several pages back watched his unvaccinated wife die then marched in an anti-mask rally a few DAYS later. We on this page are not the problem. I assume even if you are unvaccinated, you are taking personal precautions and responsibility with masking and social distancing. Imagine living in a society where things are shut down. Shut downs WORK. Period. But this nation is and has avoided that entirely. Doctors and health care staff are beyond BURNED out. BEYOND. Our hospital system is on its last leg. We are in WORST shape than we were a year ago. Kids are vulnerable now. They were NOT in school when this thing started up. They were not in hospitals because majority of kids were online.

Again, we need to survive and thrive. Get to the other side. A Hands off Approach is not working. If this isn't slowed down by the holidays, a real shut down is the only thing that's going to possibly put a dent in this thing. We COULD have shut ourselves down via goodwill. But neeeope. FREEDUM.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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"But since then, especially with the spread of the dangerous delta variant, attempts to protect unvaccinated people—for example, by indoor public mask mandates—have been met with resistance by many, especially those who are vaccinated. Some people in the latter group feel that they played by the rules, and now should reap the rewards, whereas the former group did not and thus deserves the fate which awaits them."

I don't think it's the vaccinated people making this argument. Vaccinated people are certainly not the ones out in the street en mass protesting to be allowed unmasked access to everything. Vaccinated people are also not the ones buying fake vaccination cards or lying by omission to people who trust them or violating a social honor system so they aren't excluded from hanging out unmasked amongst the vaccinated.

"We know that the more the virus spreads among unvaccinated people, the more that viral mutations will continue and eventually threaten the health of vaccinated people as well."
The propensity to create superbugs is exactly why vaccinated people shouldn't want unvaccinated people unmasked amongst us. Notice that this doctor said spread among the unvaxxed not spread among everybody.
Thanks for this Crackers.

I had a whole commentary and thoughts but I erased it, cause I'm tired. But this....all this.
 

MamaBear2012

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My husband and I were talking about the mandate last night. We are both vaccinated, but he said he doesn't like the idea of a mandate for this vaccine. I don't like the idea of it either, but from a different perspective than him. I don't like that our country is so divided that we needed a mandate. The only reason why we haven't needed a mandate for vaccines in the past is simply because there was a reasonable expectation that people were being vaccinated. You have to have your vaccination records updated to be in school. And kids have to be in school after 5 (or is it 6?). So we've had an idea that overall the majority of our population has been vaccinated from those deadly illnesses of the past.

I used to work in Infectious Diseases. I worked with quite a few people who were diagnosed with tuberculosis. I would notify the Health Department and if the person was homeless (which was often the case and they got it while living in a shelter), I'd make sure that the Health Department set them up with lodging. The person was then monitored in quarantine. The Health Department would drop off meals and make sure that they did not leave. For the people who had their own homes, the Health Department still checked in on them. This kind of stuff has happened for YEARS. For my patients who were newly diagnosed with HIV/AIDS, I'd notify the Health Department and they would interview them and contact previous sexual partners. Monitoring outbreaks, contact tracing, putting the good of the population as a priority is nothing new. Honestly, I'm baffled by what we're doing as a country.
 

MamaBear2012

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A friend of a friend is a doctor in GA. She works outside of Atlanta in one of the "bigger" rural areas. She has been posting about Covid since it first appeared. This was one of her latest posts...

A sample of random Covid positive patients who have recently come to the hospital ( Identity of patients is concealed, as this list could represent a sample of patients from any hospital in the United States) :

❤️
PATIENT #1:
91 y/o female (VACCINATED) who has diarrhea and comes to the hospital complaining of body aches. No respiratory problems. She gets 1 days of IV fluids, says she feels good & is sent home the next day.

PATIENT #2:
43 y/o other wise healthy male patient (NOT VACCINATED ) comes to the hospital with cough & shortness of breath. He requires supplemental oxygen. He said he just didn’t get around to getting his shots. He gets put on ventilator (life support machine) and died in three days.

❤️
PATIENT #3:
88 y/o male (VACCINATED)feels tired & has muscle aches. No cough or shortness of breath. He gets two days of IV fluids and pain meds… feels better & goes home in 2 days.

PATIENT #4:
44 y/o female comes in with shortness of breath (NOT VACCINATED .) She said she was afraid of the vaccine cause she doesn’t know what’s in it. Her shortness of breath worsens. She gets supplemental oxygen and gets plasma. Despite our best efforts to save her, she dies in 7 days.

PATIENT #5
56 y/o female comes coughing and in respiratory distress. The patient is somnolent & can’t hold a conversation. She is NOT VACCINATED . I asked her daughter why not & the daughter just shrugged her shoulders. The patient got admitted to the hospital and was assigned a room. Unfortunately she rapidly decompensated in the emergency room, went into cardiac arrest & and died. She never even made upstairs to her room.

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PATIENTS #6:
91 y/o female brought in by her daughter because the patient looks “tired” and has decreased appetite. (VACCINATED ) These are observations from the daughter. The patient has no complaints & says she feels fine. She even pulls out her vax card & shows it to me. She laughs & says “I dunno even know why I’m here…” My daughter just wanted me to get checked out.” We feed her, give her IV fluids & she goes home the next day.

PATIENT # 7
46 Y/o obese female comes to the hospital coughing wearing a tattered & torn blue mask with her nose exposed.She’s NOT VACCINATED . I asked her why. She tosses her head back & says “l don’t believe in vaccines.” Patient’s oxygen requirements go up. She decompensates & gets put on life support & is transferred to ICU. Eventually her kidneys shut down & she get put on dialysis. After 9 days, she dies…

Does anyone see a pattern here? Please get vaccinated… if not for yourself, please do it so we don’t have to keep offering condolences to your surviving loved ones & family members. This is not a scare tactic… it’s a reports of real cases… and the deaths most likely could have been prevented with vaccination. This is the hardest part of my job.
 

oneastrocurlie

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THIS! This tweet is the entire point. People cannot get life-saving treatment and surgeries because we can't get this thing slowed down. I think that throwing money and incentives for the vaccinated continue to be a good option. If money drives it, then why not? I am seeing more people dying from COVID than the vaccine. Period.

Also---for many under the mandate---you can get weekly testing. What's wrong with that? If you are positive, you sit home until you are well. Some of you can continue to get paid a wage if you are covid positive due to good paid leave or you can still work. I don't know what ya'll want the leaders to do. We are WAY PAST personal responsibility. Ain't NONE. Ya'll really don't understand that people D G A F. A whole politician several pages back watched his unvaccinated wife die then marched in an anti-mask rally a few DAYS later. We on this page are not the problem. I assume even if you are unvaccinated, you are taking personal precautions and responsibility with masking and social distancing. Imagine living in a society where things are shut down. Shut downs WORK. Period. But this nation is and has avoided that entirely. Doctors and health care staff are beyond BURNED out. BEYOND. Our hospital system is on its last leg. We are in WORST shape than we were a year ago. Kids are vulnerable now. They were NOT in school when this thing started up. They were not in hospitals because majority of kids were online.

Again, we need to survive and thrive. Get to the other side. A Hands off Approach is not working. If this isn't slowed down by the holidays, a real shut down is the only thing that's going to possibly put a dent in this thing. We COULD have shut ourselves down via goodwill. But neeeope. FREEDUM.

The fact he said at least twice that vaccines work in his article about how a mandate is wrong makes me give him the side eye.

I'm all for incentives. They do it for the flu shot every year.
 

yamilee21

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But some of these countries do not want their numbers to go up and are struggling as is.

After hearing how Americans our out whiling like there currently isn't a pandemic, they're better off doing what they can to keep Americans home for a bit.
Oh I absolutely agree; I honestly believe just about every country should have a travel ban *against* U.S. residents, as well as a travel ban barring their citizens from visiting our Covid cesspool, for their own protection. But it still looks ridiculous for the U.S. to warn against travel to other countries due to their Covid rates, when just about everywhere is doing better than here. It’s not like the U.S. is issuing these warnings out of a benevolent desire to protect these countries from careless U.S. residents.
 

dancinstallion

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Dh and Ds have symptoms.
Last Friday night Dh and the kids went out of town to his vaccinated sister's house. They got a hotel but spent most of the time at her house on Sat and Sun. The sister told them they didn't have to wear masks in the house. Dh and Ds took theirs off. DD wore hers the WHOLE time every day.

Well the sister's two small children were running around sick coughing, sneezing, and thick snot running down their noses all day. Dh and Ds were trying to assist and mingle with every body including the kids. DD sat in a corner did school work or read and wouldn't touch the kids or let them come near her. The sister made a comment that DD doesn't like kids and dh said usually. ( DD gave no F's about coming across as rude or hurt feelings. And it paid off).

On Mon dh and Ds said they didn't feel good. Dd is fine. Dh started having chills, body aches feeling weak. Ds got blood shot eyes, mild headache, and feeling the repeated need to clear his throat. Stuffy noses on day two. I bought netti pots and that worked. I told them what to take but I am working a lot and they "forget" when I am not there. Dd is on it, and at home with her mask on because she said they are contagious. Now everybody is in the house with a mask on (except me).
Their symptoms were progressing at same rate so I know they have/had it.
Dh didn't want to test. There were no appointments available anywhere smh. Just got him one appointment tomorrow even though he says he feels better but he has a mild cough.

Dh is kicking himself because he let his guard down. he didn't want to go over his sister's house but felt he had to because she just moved back to the state and he didn't want his family talking about him or think he doesn't care. they were already talking and both sisters were upset because he got a hotel and didn't sleep at her place.
He said we did all that travelling over the summer and didn't catch anything. He is disappointed.

His sister kept saying they are coming to visit us next month( they are a close nit family). I just told DH no they can't come. F their feelings they aren't welcome. I don't want anybody over not just them.

This is a good lesson I have been constantly teaching my kids over the years. Don't ever let somebody inconvenience you, make you feel uncomfortable, or put yourself in a situation just to be nice or not to come off as mean or rude. When your gut feeling is to say no or the right thing to do is say no. People are too nice sometimes, to their own detriment. Lesson learned.
 

Black Ambrosia

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@dancinstallion Is your husband vaccinated? I think I remember you saying before that he wanted to do it but I don't recall if he did.

My nephew had a covid scare recently. Thankfully he was negative but it was really difficult to find a place offering rapid tests. I later found out there's a shortage. The PCR tests are still available but the rapid tests are hard to come by.
 

dancinstallion

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@dancinstallion Is your husband vaccinated? I think I remember you saying before that he wanted to do it but I don't recall if he did.

My nephew had a covid scare recently. Thankfully he was negative but it was really difficult to find a place offering rapid tests. I later found out there's a shortage. The PCR tests are still available but the rapid tests are hard to come by.

He got one shot last month, the 2nd shot is scheduled for the 14th.
He jokes that the first shot is working and I joked that his behind would have still been in bed aching on day 2 if it weren't for my remedies. :giggle:

Oh yea, dh called his sister on Tues to tell her, he and ds weren't feeling good and basically her kids made them sick. She told him that her husband and mother in law aren't feeling well either. :nono: dh said his sister's allergies were acting up while they were there but I know that it isnt allergies this time.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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So my nephew (8 YO) in TX has it. I called my brother to tell him about DD. The last time we spoke a few days ago about us just having to quarantine, he told us that his son was upset that a kid was in school coughing, with snot and dribble everywhere. They have no mask mandates and a rule that covid positive kids can come to school if they feel well enough---so he was really upset. I said at least here in FL, kids who show signs of sickness are sent home STAT...... After he listened to me grouse about my baby being COVID positive, he told me his son is positive as well. And like me, my younger DD and my husband--my brother, his daughter and wife are all negative. He said when he told his son, my nephew cried. I told him our DD simply asked "am I gonna die?" My husband was mad I told her because he didn't want to be barraged with questions. Cause she has been barraging us with questions. I feel like its our job to explain the truth: MOST people actually do fine. We just hear more about the very sick and dying. But I'm not gonna run away from the questions. I plan to do my job as a parent and answer each one as patiently as I can. But that since she had been home quarantining almost a week before she got tested, she would very likely be okay. RIght now she feels isolated with respect to being the "only one." So I let her facetime her cousin, and she told him. I could tell he was smiling over his mask--then he said "I have it too." They both felt a little better. But my nephew told me he missed us, and he feels really good and strong (his words). I plan to check in on them a lot this week since me and my brothers family are all hunkering down for the next few weeks. I have to mask up because my older daughter is really wanting attention and reassurance. We are masking my youngest of course because they play all day together. But the oldest doesn't want to mask at home--despite being SUPER mask compliant outside the house. When I wear a mask she and the baby sis are more compliant. My husband threw it all to the wind and isn't masking up...but my daughter is super touchy feely and wanting to be on me and in my face (anxiety) so I have to model better behavior. I'll be dealing with my husband tonight because his attitude is silly right now. I have to really get him together. But I know its a stress response.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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@dancinstallion Is your husband vaccinated? I think I remember you saying before that he wanted to do it but I don't recall if he did.

My nephew had a covid scare recently. Thankfully he was negative but it was really difficult to find a place offering rapid tests. I later found out there's a shortage. The PCR tests are still available but the rapid tests are hard to come by.
My brother in TX says they could not find a PCR test, and even the rapid test was hard to come by. Here in FL, I have to say, a rapid or PCR test is easy to get. Even if you don't have an appointment. If you are over 12 we have monoclonal antibody treatment drive ups with several types of options (injections or IV drips) as well.
 

Black Ambrosia

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@naturalgyrl5199 Your husband's response sounds a lot like my mom's earlier this year when my then 3 year old niece had covid. My mom was fully vaccinated and didn't wear a mask in the house unless I harassed her. It's damn near impossible to keep a child that young from being directly in your face so it was really frustrating that she refused to do right and, because she wasn't modeling that behavior, my niece wouldn't wear a mask either. We had her for maybe a week because her father also had covid and was in bad shape. I wasn't initially on board with her staying with us but came around after seeing how bad he was. She would've been neglected otherwise. I'm concerned about going through that again now that she's in pre-k.
 

Black Ambrosia

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Idaho hospitals begin rationing health care amid COVID surge

FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2021, file photo, Jack Kingsley R.N. attends to a COVID-19 patient in the Medical Intensive care unit (MICU) at St. Luke's Boise Medical Center in Boise, Idaho. Idaho public health leaders have activated crisis standards of care for the state's northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement Tuesday, Sept. 7.  (AP Photo/Kyle Green, File)

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders announced Tuesday that they activated “crisis standards of care” allowing health care rationing for the state’s northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning — warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

The move came as the state’s confirmed coronavirus cases skyrocketed in recent weeks. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the U.S.

The state health agency cited “a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in the northern area of the state caused by a massive increase in patients with COVID-19 who require hospitalization.”

The designation includes 10 hospitals and healthcare systems in the Idaho panhandle and in north-central Idaho. The agency said its goal is to extend care to as many patients as possible and to save as many lives as possible.

The move allows hospitals to allot scarce resources like intensive care unit rooms to patients most likely to survive and make other dramatic changes to the way they treat patients. Other patients will still receive care, but they may be placed in hospital classrooms or conference rooms rather than traditional hospital rooms or go without some life-saving medical equipment.

At Kootenai Health — the largest hospital in northern Idaho — some patients are waiting for long periods for beds to open up in the full intensive care unit, said Dr. Robert Scoggins, the chief of staff. Inside the ICU, one critical care nurse might be supervising up to six patients with the help of two other non-critical care nurses. That’s a big departure from the usual one ICU nurse for one ICU patient ratio, he said.

On Monday, the Coeur d’Alene hospital started moving some coronavirus patients into its nearby conference center. A large classroom in the center was converted into a COVID-19 ward, with temporary dividers separating the beds. Some emergency room patients are being treated in a converted portion of the emergency room lobby, and the hospital’s entire third floor has also been designated for coronavirus patients.

Urgent and elective surgeries are on hold, Scoggins said, and Kootenai Health is struggling to accept any of the high-level trauma patients that would normally be transferred from the smaller hospitals in the region.

Other states are preparing to take similar measures if needed. Hawaii Gov. David Ige quietly signed an order last week releasing hospitals and health care workers from liability if they have to ration health care.

The unfolding crush of patients to Idaho hospitals has been anticipated with dread by the state’s heath care providers. Medical experts have said that Idaho could have as many as 30,000 new coronavirus cases a week by mid-September if the current rate of infections lasts.

“Crisis standards of care is a last resort. It means we have exhausted our resources to the point that our healthcare systems are unable to provide the treatment and care we expect,” Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a statement.

He added: “This is a decision I was fervently hoping to avoid. The best tools we have to turn this around is for more people to get vaccinated and to wear masks indoors and in outdoor crowded public places. Please choose to get vaccinated as soon as possible – it is your very best protection against being hospitalized from COVID-19.”

The designation will remain in effect until there are enough resources — including staffing, hospital beds and equipment or a drop in the number of patients — to provide normal levels of treatment to all.

More than 500 people were hospitalized statewide with COVID-19 on Sept. 1 and more than a third of them were in intensive care unit beds.

Idaho’s hospitals have struggled to fill empty nursing, housekeeping and other health care positions, in part because some staffers have left because they are burned out by the strain of the pandemic and because others have been quarantined because they were exposed to COVID-19.

Late last month, Little called in 220 medical workers available through federal programs and mobilized 150 Idaho National Guard soldiers to help hospitals cope with the surge.

Two hundred of the federal workers are medical and administrative staffers available through a contract with the U.S. General Services Administration. The U.S. Department of Defense agreed to send a 20-person medical response team to northern Idaho. The Idaho National Guard soldiers will help with logistical support such as screenings and lab work.


On Tuesday, the governor called the move to limit care “an unprecedented and unwanted point in the history of our state” and urged residents to get vaccinated against coronavirus.

Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that full vaccination with any of the currently available coronavirus vaccines dramatically reduces the risk of requiring hospitalization for a coronavirus infection.

“More Idahoans need to choose to receive the vaccine so we can minimize the spread of the disease and reduce the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, many of which involve younger Idahoans and are preventable with safe and effective vaccines,” said Little, who is a Republican.

When the pandemic first came to Idaho at the start of 2020, Little ordered a partial shutdown of the state — ordering some businesses to temporarily close or shift to take-out style services, banning some large gatherings and asking residents to stay home as much as possible.

The move was aimed at ensuring that hospitals wouldn’t become overwhelmed by patients. Idaho was on the verge of enacting crisis standards of care during a major coronavirus surge last winter, but narrowly avoided doing so — making this the first time the state has taken the drastic measure.

Little reopened the state in stages over a period of several months and has not reimposed restrictions limiting gatherings. Businesses are mostly operating as normal.

The state’s crisis guidelines are complex, and give hospitals a legal and ethical template to use while rationing care.

Under the guidelines, patients are given priority scores based on a number of factors that impact their likelihood of surviving a health crisis.

Those deemed in most in need of care and most likely to benefit from it are put on priority lists for scarce resources like ICU beds.

Others in dire need but with lower chances of surviving will be given “comfort care” to help keep them pain-free whether they succumb to their illnesses or recover.

Other patients with serious but not life-threatening medical problems will face delays in receiving care until resources are available.


“I hope that your takeaway from this is that the vaccines work. They are the best tool by far that we have,” to keep people from getting seriously sick from the coronavirus, said Jeppesen, the state health department director.

The demand on hospitals is likely to increase in coming weeks as case numbers continue to climb, Jeppesen said, so everyone should take steps to avoid needing any emergency care if possible by wearing seatbelts, taking medication as prescribed and reconsidering activities like riding bikes that can lead to accidents.

“Just be a little more careful,” he said.
 

sunshinebeautiful

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The CDC travel warning is nonsensical. Many of the countries on the list have much lower rates of Covid cases and deaths than the U.S., but they are poor/developing countries who can’t vaccinate their populations because the U.S. and Europe have hoarded the majority of the vaccines. Or they *have* vaccinated their populations, using ineffective Chinese vaccines… because the good vaccines are unavailable due to the vaccine hoarding situation. Or, like Cuba, they said “Screw it, let’s make our own vaccine,” but the international vaccine powers that be haven’t approved their vaccines. :dizzy: Of course, traveling for leisure fduring this pandemic is utter foolishness in the first place, but the U.S. is being obnoxious - more people tested positive on Thursday in Texas than have tested positive in Papua New Guinea during the entire pandemic. :rolleyes: It’s like when the U.S. issues travel warnings due to violence in other countries… uh, which country has a mass shooting on a daily basis again?

I was just about to say! The United States should be on the top of our own list.
 

awhyley

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I put in my notice last week. My last day is September 30, but I'll be on vacation from 9/16-9/28. The last 2 days will mostly be cleaning out my desk and getting flowers.

I'm still going to work in healthcare but I'm going to a place closer to my home that doesn't directly deal with COVID like the one I'm at now. And yes, the pay raise was significant. I knew my current place couldn't match, but even if they could, I wouldn't stay. They are at a critical staff shortage but refuse to offer raises or any concession to already established employees. But they seem to have money to pay out the nose to agency staff for super short contracts (8-12 weeks).

Sorry to hear that you're moving from an area that could really use you, but you've been a trooper throughout the pandemic and made alot of personal sacrifices. Happy to hear that you're moving to a safer space (with more pay to boot). Enjoy the much-needed vacation.
 

Melaninme

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"You're paranoid!" A relative shouted at me over the phone when I told her three months ago that I wear a mask in public even though I'm vaccinated."

"You don't need to wear that anymore," a friend stated confidently last month, pointing at my mask during a visit at his house. He has had his Covid-19 vaccine but mixes, unmasked, with both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

"Why are you still wearing a mask?" another friend inquired of me irritably at a picnic last month where both vaccinated and unvaccinated were in attendance. We were sitting less than 3 feet apart. She was unmasked, and I did not know her vaccination status."

"We shouldn't be shamed for wanting to maximize our own protection and wanting to avoid carrying the virus into our communities -- especially to those, like children, who are yet unprotected by a vaccine through no fault of their own. Moreover, some people have underlying medical issues or allergies that prevent them from getting the shot, leaving them vulnerable even to vaccinated people."

 
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oneastrocurlie

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@dancinstallion Is your husband vaccinated? I think I remember you saying before that he wanted to do it but I don't recall if he did.

My nephew had a covid scare recently. Thankfully he was negative but it was really difficult to find a place offering rapid tests. I later found out there's a shortage. The PCR tests are still available but the rapid tests are hard to come by.

Our state used fed funds to have free rapid test available at local libraries. Might be worth checking.
 

oneastrocurlie

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Idaho hospitals begin rationing health care amid COVID surge

FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2021, file photo, Jack Kingsley R.N. attends to a COVID-19 patient in the Medical Intensive care unit (MICU) at St. Luke's Boise Medical Center in Boise, Idaho. Idaho public health leaders have activated crisis standards of care for the state's northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement Tuesday, Sept. 7.  (AP Photo/Kyle Green, File)'s Boise Medical Center in Boise, Idaho. Idaho public health leaders have activated crisis standards of care for the state's northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement Tuesday, Sept. 7.  (AP Photo/Kyle Green, File)

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders announced Tuesday that they activated “crisis standards of care” allowing health care rationing for the state’s northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning — warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

The move came as the state’s confirmed coronavirus cases skyrocketed in recent weeks. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the U.S.

The state health agency cited “a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in the northern area of the state caused by a massive increase in patients with COVID-19 who require hospitalization.”

The designation includes 10 hospitals and healthcare systems in the Idaho panhandle and in north-central Idaho. The agency said its goal is to extend care to as many patients as possible and to save as many lives as possible.

The move allows hospitals to allot scarce resources like intensive care unit rooms to patients most likely to survive and make other dramatic changes to the way they treat patients. Other patients will still receive care, but they may be placed in hospital classrooms or conference rooms rather than traditional hospital rooms or go without some life-saving medical equipment.

At Kootenai Health — the largest hospital in northern Idaho — some patients are waiting for long periods for beds to open up in the full intensive care unit, said Dr. Robert Scoggins, the chief of staff. Inside the ICU, one critical care nurse might be supervising up to six patients with the help of two other non-critical care nurses. That’s a big departure from the usual one ICU nurse for one ICU patient ratio, he said.

On Monday, the Coeur d’Alene hospital started moving some coronavirus patients into its nearby conference center. A large classroom in the center was converted into a COVID-19 ward, with temporary dividers separating the beds. Some emergency room patients are being treated in a converted portion of the emergency room lobby, and the hospital’s entire third floor has also been designated for coronavirus patients.

Urgent and elective surgeries are on hold, Scoggins said, and Kootenai Health is struggling to accept any of the high-level trauma patients that would normally be transferred from the smaller hospitals in the region.

Other states are preparing to take similar measures if needed. Hawaii Gov. David Ige quietly signed an order last week releasing hospitals and health care workers from liability if they have to ration health care.

The unfolding crush of patients to Idaho hospitals has been anticipated with dread by the state’s heath care providers. Medical experts have said that Idaho could have as many as 30,000 new coronavirus cases a week by mid-September if the current rate of infections lasts.

“Crisis standards of care is a last resort. It means we have exhausted our resources to the point that our healthcare systems are unable to provide the treatment and care we expect,” Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a statement.

He added: “This is a decision I was fervently hoping to avoid. The best tools we have to turn this around is for more people to get vaccinated and to wear masks indoors and in outdoor crowded public places. Please choose to get vaccinated as soon as possible – it is your very best protection against being hospitalized from COVID-19.”

The designation will remain in effect until there are enough resources — including staffing, hospital beds and equipment or a drop in the number of patients — to provide normal levels of treatment to all.

More than 500 people were hospitalized statewide with COVID-19 on Sept. 1 and more than a third of them were in intensive care unit beds.

Idaho’s hospitals have struggled to fill empty nursing, housekeeping and other health care positions, in part because some staffers have left because they are burned out by the strain of the pandemic and because others have been quarantined because they were exposed to COVID-19.

Late last month, Little called in 220 medical workers available through federal programs and mobilized 150 Idaho National Guard soldiers to help hospitals cope with the surge.

Two hundred of the federal workers are medical and administrative staffers available through a contract with the U.S. General Services Administration. The U.S. Department of Defense agreed to send a 20-person medical response team to northern Idaho. The Idaho National Guard soldiers will help with logistical support such as screenings and lab work.


On Tuesday, the governor called the move to limit care “an unprecedented and unwanted point in the history of our state” and urged residents to get vaccinated against coronavirus.

Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that full vaccination with any of the currently available coronavirus vaccines dramatically reduces the risk of requiring hospitalization for a coronavirus infection.

“More Idahoans need to choose to receive the vaccine so we can minimize the spread of the disease and reduce the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, many of which involve younger Idahoans and are preventable with safe and effective vaccines,” said Little, who is a Republican.

When the pandemic first came to Idaho at the start of 2020, Little ordered a partial shutdown of the state — ordering some businesses to temporarily close or shift to take-out style services, banning some large gatherings and asking residents to stay home as much as possible.

The move was aimed at ensuring that hospitals wouldn’t become overwhelmed by patients. Idaho was on the verge of enacting crisis standards of care during a major coronavirus surge last winter, but narrowly avoided doing so — making this the first time the state has taken the drastic measure.

Little reopened the state in stages over a period of several months and has not reimposed restrictions limiting gatherings. Businesses are mostly operating as normal.

The state’s crisis guidelines are complex, and give hospitals a legal and ethical template to use while rationing care.

Under the guidelines, patients are given priority scores based on a number of factors that impact their likelihood of surviving a health crisis.

Those deemed in most in need of care and most likely to benefit from it are put on priority lists for scarce resources like ICU beds.

Others in dire need but with lower chances of surviving will be given “comfort care” to help keep them pain-free whether they succumb to their illnesses or recover.

Other patients with serious but not life-threatening medical problems will face delays in receiving care until resources are available.


“I hope that your takeaway from this is that the vaccines work. They are the best tool by far that we have,” to keep people from getting seriously sick from the coronavirus, said Jeppesen, the state health department director.

The demand on hospitals is likely to increase in coming weeks as case numbers continue to climb, Jeppesen said, so everyone should take steps to avoid needing any emergency care if possible by wearing seatbelts, taking medication as prescribed and reconsidering activities like riding bikes that can lead to accidents.

“Just be a little more careful,” he said.

I'm pretty sure I saw a pic of Idaho residents having a mask burning party from earlier this year.

ETA: Yup. States didn't want mask mandates. They made that clear trying to ban them so Joe said OK fine, vaccine mandate it is.

 
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Lylddlebit

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I had no issue buying more than a dozen 2 -test rapid kits(24 total tests) the night this was announced. They were even on sale 50% off at the time. They arrived yesterday and my tax advantaged card that I barely use accepted it as a valid purchase... no problem. I think that may be a good option for many people vaccinated or not. I have read/seen a of people not be able to be conveniently tested when they really needed it so having a home kit ready won't hurt to have on hand before the need arrives.

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I went back to to check for a another batch and the half off ones (along with most of what I viewed initially) are sold out but there are still places with them in stock. If someone is considering having this home you may want to get a kit now instead of waiting for the government price drops to roll out.
 
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naturalgyrl5199

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I'm pretty sure I saw a pic of Idaho residents having a mask burning party from earlier this year.

ETA: Yup. States didn't want mask mandates. They made that clear trying to ban them so Joe said OK fine, vaccine mandate it is.

This is whats going to drive a real SHUT DOWN by the holidays. People are going to blame Dems....we will have GOP leadership....and more will die. This is really frustrating. I need Southerners in 2022 to show up and vote these GOP leaders OUT.
 

naturalgyrl5199

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Our city's mask mandate kicked in Friday and yesterday while I was at Whole Foods I saw they were back to mask checking folks. Trader Joe's had a mask required sign too.

Love to see it. I'm curious if other cities here are going to follow suit. Our governor seem to already say he wasn't going to do one.
Ironically here in the capital of FL, the local Walmarts have people at the door with a box of masks in their hands. They offer them to every single unmasked person. I think its genius because even if they only get 10-20% of say the unmasked walking in, you are still making a difference. And I watch it as well, MANY MANY people will accept the offered mask. Its amazing. Humans are so complex. They were literally WILLING to walk around the store maskless, simply bc they could, or maybe they forgot and didn't feel like turning around. I mean they literally gave the door greeter no problem and accepted the mask. The ones who refused were not rude, just nodded their head no, and smiled and kept walking, but for the few minutes I saw all those people walking in, MORE people accepted the mask than not TBH. I don't know the real percentages of the unmasked accepting masks over a day's time.
 
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