The Covid-19 Thread: News, Preparation Tips, Etc

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
California businesses have really suffered over the past 18 months with all the lock downs. So to impose a loss of over 20% hurts!
I think its a catch 22 all over. Over here, many businesses are suffering short staffing. When I ask, they simply tell us they have staff out due to having COVID themselves or a child has COVID. We don't have required vaccine laws in FL, so this is how businesses are hurt. I remember trying to pick up some food a few weeks ago at a favorite haunt of my family's....I walked up, and she was like, I am not taking any orders right now, my only 2 staff members on site are on break. They need a break because they have been working non-stop for days due to short staffing. So whenever they can take their break, I give it. You can come back later? Maybe in 30 minutes.....Staffing shortages are killing us over here. The few ppl wanting to work are burned in all industries.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Rather than rest on a Sunday I rested a bit yesterday after a VERY tiring week. I'd planned yesterday to be a cleaning day but I literally had no umph.......that starts over for me tomorrow. I have 4 days until I take the biggest exam of my life. I need to have a couple meetings tomorrow and do clinic. I was supposed to host interns but its going to be virtual now. I pushed tomorrow's meeting for them to Tuesday. Today I need to study and deep clean some more. Its sheet/blanket wash day. My washer has a "sanitize" setting that really turns up the heat on the wash. Then its back to cleaning, and tossing toys, cleaning their dozens of stuffed animals, etc.....Its 11 AM and I'm so tired already. My husband is doing all the cooking and childminding today. He will help the oldest with schoolwork So....prayers for strength needed.

The good news is everyone here is doing fine, the oldest with COVID feels good, is playing, and just has a little cabin fever. They've been on immune boosting vitamins for weeks. They literally eat the equivalent of 1/2 their weight in fruits and veggies weekly and very little meat, cows milk (except yogurt which they absolutely love) and lots of water.
Silver lining: The toddler, who is COVID negative continues to nurse. Since I'm vaccinated, she has been getting a bit of a passive immunity from me since December and January. She is closer to weaning, but not ready to stop I can see. I will likely get my booster the end of the month or next month. I suspect she may have eluded sickness due to that--despite her exposure--- IF THE SCIENCE ON PASSIVE IMMUNITY VIA BREASTMILK and mom's vaccine status is right :)
The eldest with COVID was nursed herself until she was almost 4. Her immune system is amazing but I never want to test it. She beat so many things. SOOO many things already. But for her---she herself will have immunity hopefully through the end of the year simply by surviving this thing. She asked for a vaccine but is too young. So I have hope.
 

naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
Rather than rest on a Sunday I rested a bit yesterday after a VERY tiring week. I'd planned yesterday to be a cleaning day but I literally had no umph.......that starts over for me tomorrow. I have 4 days until I take the biggest exam of my life. I need to have a couple meetings tomorrow and do clinic. I was supposed to host interns but its going to be virtual now. I pushed tomorrow's meeting for them to Tuesday. Today I need to study and deep clean some more. Its sheet/blanket wash day. My washer has a "sanitize" setting that really turns up the heat on the wash. Then its back to cleaning, and tossing toys, cleaning their dozens of stuffed animals, etc.....Its 11 AM and I'm so tired already. My husband is doing all the cooking and childminding today. He will help the oldest with schoolwork So....prayers for strength needed.

The good news is everyone here is doing fine, the oldest with COVID feels good, is playing, and just has a little cabin fever. They've been on immune boosting vitamins for weeks. They literally eat the equivalent of 1/2 their weight in fruits and veggies weekly and very little meat, cows milk (except yogurt which they absolutely love) and lots of water.
Silver lining: The toddler, who is COVID negative continues to nurse. Since I'm vaccinated, she has been getting a bit of a passive immunity from me since December and January. She is closer to weaning, but not ready to stop I can see. I will likely get my booster the end of the month or next month. I suspect she may have eluded sickness due to that--despite her exposure--- IF THE SCIENCE ON PASSIVE IMMUNITY VIA BREASTMILK and mom's vaccine status is right :)
The eldest with COVID was nursed herself until she was almost 4. Her immune system is amazing but I never want to test it. She beat so many things. SOOO many things already. But for her---she herself will have immunity hopefully through the end of the year simply by surviving this thing. She asked for a vaccine but is too young. So I have hope.
So for anyone curious on how children who are nursing react when their mother is vaccinated...the above is one anecdote. I know some folk who are tracking reactions of infants and children who nurse from a vaccinated parent---or the health status of children who were born to mothers who were vaccinated while pregnant and the news is actually positive. So far so good. We can never make conclusions, but the current status and outlook is good. Its a valid concern and a real worry that hasn't manifested any problems yet. I'm sure there is at least 1 negative case out there...The literature will surely report it and others in time.
 

Everything Zen

Well-Known Member
^^^^ Thank you so much for sharing this because I have a younger black friend/coworker who is actively trying to start planning a family and she is not a crazy antivaxxer but she wants more data on the vaccines before taking one because of fear for her future unborn child(ren)/long term side effects that we don’t know about and she’s trying to hold out for Novavax but the new mandates may leave her without an option or risk unemployment.
 

vevster

Well-Known Member
I think its a catch 22 all over. Over here, many businesses are suffering short staffing. When I ask, they simply tell us they have staff out due to having COVID themselves or a child has COVID. We don't have required vaccine laws in FL, so this is how businesses are hurt. I remember trying to pick up some food a few weeks ago at a favorite haunt of my family's....I walked up, and she was like, I am not taking any orders right now, my only 2 staff members on site are on break. They need a break because they have been working non-stop for days due to short staffing. So whenever they can take their break, I give it. You can come back later? Maybe in 30 minutes.....Staffing shortages are killing us over here. The few ppl wanting to work are burned in all industries.
Well let that happen. Turn away customers as opposed of having them decreased by a mandate.
 

BrownBetty

Well-Known Member
2 family members have covid. 1 is vaxxed the other isn't. There are 3 other folks in the house all not vaxxed and are older enough to be. I'm guessing they all have covid.
They seem to be doing ok.
Family seems to be recovering well. The other folks seemed to have never been tested. I told the home owners adult child they needed to ensure everyone who lived there was vaxxed ASAP or they had to leave.

One of them was sick, came in contact with folks in the house claim he had allergies then went on vacation not before he told everyone the "the white man is making yall panic for no reason".
 
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naturalgyrl5199

Well-Known Member
^^^^ Thank you so much for sharing this because I have a younger black friend/coworker who is actively trying to start planning a family and she is not a crazy antivaxxer but she wants more data on the vaccines before taking one because of fear for her future unborn child(ren)/long term side effects that we don’t know about and she’s trying to hold out for Novavax but the new mandates may leave her without an option or risk unemployment.
Absolutely. Unfortunately there is more evidence of adverse outcomes with the unvaccinated pregnant than there are with vaccinated pregnant women. Unvaccinated pregnant women are lucky if they make it with mild symptoms considering your immune system HAS to lower itself slightly as not to reject the baby. SO if she has mild symptoms, she will be very uncomfortable for a while and monitored very closely.....For the unvaccinated pregnant who get really sick, but manage to elude death, many are intubated, in ICU and their baby has no access to their milk, or any human if there isn't a milk donation program already in that hospital. My NICU and the other level 3 NICUS in the region is overwhelmed with premature deliveries due to COVID. I'm talking late 2nd, early 3rd trimester deliveries (24-34 weeks), which is unusual when the mother is otherwise healthy. If you have a preemie you NEED human milk for these fragile immune-sensitive babies. These moms are also in the ICUs a lot as well. For the typical preemie, most mothers are well immediately or within days to be able to do skin to skin, pump their milk, and provide care for their babies, to start the mother-baby bond, which aids the recovery process and eases the transition to motherhood. For many COVID+ moms, the transition is wild. Women have it hard enough SURVIVING a regular pregnancy...adding COVID to the mix ain't where its at. Tell her we just don't have evidence of the problems people THINK is going to happen. Its the same for vaccinating preemies. My own COVID positive kiddie was finally up to 2 lbs and 1 month old when she got her initial vaccination (Hep B). She didn't even get a fever. And she had other things going on. It was also the 1st day I got to hold her skin to skin.
 

Nay

Well-Known Member
"You're paranoid!" A relative shouted at me over the phone when I told her three months ago that I wear a mask in public even though I'm vaccinated."

"You don't need to wear that anymore," a friend stated confidently last month, pointing at my mask during a visit at his house. He has had his Covid-19 vaccine but mixes, unmasked, with both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

"Why are you still wearing a mask?" another friend inquired of me irritably at a picnic last month where both vaccinated and unvaccinated were in attendance. We were sitting less than 3 feet apart. She was unmasked, and I did not know her vaccination status."

"We shouldn't be shamed for wanting to maximize our own protection and wanting to avoid carrying the virus into our communities -- especially to those, like children, who are yet unprotected by a vaccine through no fault of their own. Moreover, some people have underlying medical issues or allergies that prevent them from getting the shot, leaving them vulnerable even to vaccinated people."

If someone says something, a good response is, "My car has an airbag, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to wear my seatbelt. I want ALL the protection I can get."

But really I don't know why it makes people so butthurt that anyone else is being cautious.
 

PatDM'T

Well-Known Member
If someone says something, a good response is, "My car has an airbag, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to wear my seatbelt. I want ALL the protection I can get."

But really I don't know why it makes people so butthurt that anyone else is being cautious.
WTH anyone
gives a rat's arse
regarding other
people's continued
use of masks,
I really do not know.

After someone
posted a meme
of the perfect
response for those
nosy parkers who
seem bothered
because some of
us look cute in
masks and know it,
I stole the idea
and designed
this shirt,

IMG_20210912_143755.jpg

then realized
I could not
afford it
(Not worth $43
each, IMO, and
you had to
buy a minimum
of six, which was
the plan to get
it in different colors
to match my masks,
but :hand: that
is daylight robbery
right there!)

:think: Maybe I will
just pull a Trump
and Sharpie that
message directly
on a mask or
graffiti it on
a shirt. :cup:
 
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Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Blame Paul Stanley

Eta: And Paul is vaccinated however he was supposed to quarantine alone for 10 days. People keep playing around and then wonder why more restrictions get put in place.

This is why we can't have nice things. The larger point is that a lot of people give zero :censored: about spreading it around.

Here's my conspiracy theory as a life long sci-fi/horror fan. It is a fact that viruses want to spread and every infectious disease story there's always an aspect of the virus causing the host to practice behaviors that allow the virus to spread. I would not be surprised if a lot of these anti mask anti vax people are asymptomatic carriers who are just doing what the virus neurologically programs them to do. That's why they come off as so aggressive and irrational.
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Dh and Ds have symptoms.
Last Friday night Dh and the kids went out of town to his vaccinated sister's house. They got a hotel but spent most of the time at her house on Sat and Sun. The sister told them they didn't have to wear masks in the house. Dh and Ds took theirs off. DD wore hers the WHOLE time every day.

Well the sister's two small children were running around sick coughing, sneezing, and thick snot running down their noses all day. Dh and Ds were trying to assist and mingle with every body including the kids. DD sat in a corner did school work or read and wouldn't touch the kids or let them come near her. The sister made a comment that DD doesn't like kids and dh said usually. ( DD gave no F's about coming across as rude or hurt feelings. And it paid off).

On Mon dh and Ds said they didn't feel good. Dd is fine. Dh started having chills, body aches feeling weak. Ds got blood shot eyes, mild headache, and feeling the repeated need to clear his throat. Stuffy noses on day two. I bought netti pots and that worked. I told them what to take but I am working a lot and they "forget" when I am not there. Dd is on it, and at home with her mask on because she said they are contagious. Now everybody is in the house with a mask on (except me).
Their symptoms were progressing at same rate so I know they have/had it.
Dh didn't want to test. There were no appointments available anywhere smh. Just got him one appointment tomorrow even though he says he feels better but he has a mild cough.

Dh is kicking himself because he let his guard down. he didn't want to go over his sister's house but felt he had to because she just moved back to the state and he didn't want his family talking about him or think he doesn't care. they were already talking and both sisters were upset because he got a hotel and didn't sleep at her place.
He said we did all that travelling over the summer and didn't catch anything. He is disappointed.

His sister kept saying they are coming to visit us next month( they are a close nit family). I just told DH no they can't come. F their feelings they aren't welcome. I don't want anybody over not just them.

This is a good lesson I have been constantly teaching my kids over the years. Don't ever let somebody inconvenience you, make you feel uncomfortable, or put yourself in a situation just to be nice or not to come off as mean or rude. When your gut feeling is to say no or the right thing to do is say no. People are too nice sometimes, to their own detriment. Lesson learned.
Your daughter has more sense than anybody in that house. You should be very proud of her.
 

Nay

Well-Known Member
WTH anyone
gives a rat's arse
regarding other
people's continued
use of masks,
I really do not know.

After someone
posted a meme
of the perfect
response for those
nosy parkers who
seem bothered
because some of
us look cute in
masks and know it,
I stole the idea
and designed
this shirt,

View attachment 475651

then realized
I could not
afford it
(Not worth $43,
each IMO and
you had to
buy a minimum
of six, which was
the plan to get
it in different colors
to match my masks,
but that is daylight
robbery right there!)

:think: Maybe I will
just pull a Trump
and Sharpie that
message directly
on a mask or
graffiti it on
a shirt. :cup:
That shirt is actually really cute :p
 

Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.

Idaho hospitals begin rationing health care amid COVID surge

FILE - In this Aug. 31, 2021, file photo, Jack Kingsley R.N. attends to a COVID-19 patient in the Medical Intensive care unit (MICU) at St. Luke's Boise Medical Center in Boise, Idaho. Idaho public health leaders have activated crisis standards of care for the state's northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement Tuesday, Sept. 7.  (AP Photo/Kyle Green, File)'s Boise Medical Center in Boise, Idaho. Idaho public health leaders have activated crisis standards of care for the state's northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement Tuesday, Sept. 7.  (AP Photo/Kyle Green, File)

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho public health leaders announced Tuesday that they activated “crisis standards of care” allowing health care rationing for the state’s northern hospitals because there are more coronavirus patients than the institutions can handle.

The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare quietly enacted the move Monday and publicly announced it in a statement Tuesday morning — warning residents that they may not get the care they would normally expect if they need to be hospitalized.

The move came as the state’s confirmed coronavirus cases skyrocketed in recent weeks. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the U.S.

The state health agency cited “a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in the northern area of the state caused by a massive increase in patients with COVID-19 who require hospitalization.”

The designation includes 10 hospitals and healthcare systems in the Idaho panhandle and in north-central Idaho. The agency said its goal is to extend care to as many patients as possible and to save as many lives as possible.

The move allows hospitals to allot scarce resources like intensive care unit rooms to patients most likely to survive and make other dramatic changes to the way they treat patients. Other patients will still receive care, but they may be placed in hospital classrooms or conference rooms rather than traditional hospital rooms or go without some life-saving medical equipment.

At Kootenai Health — the largest hospital in northern Idaho — some patients are waiting for long periods for beds to open up in the full intensive care unit, said Dr. Robert Scoggins, the chief of staff. Inside the ICU, one critical care nurse might be supervising up to six patients with the help of two other non-critical care nurses. That’s a big departure from the usual one ICU nurse for one ICU patient ratio, he said.

On Monday, the Coeur d’Alene hospital started moving some coronavirus patients into its nearby conference center. A large classroom in the center was converted into a COVID-19 ward, with temporary dividers separating the beds. Some emergency room patients are being treated in a converted portion of the emergency room lobby, and the hospital’s entire third floor has also been designated for coronavirus patients.

Urgent and elective surgeries are on hold, Scoggins said, and Kootenai Health is struggling to accept any of the high-level trauma patients that would normally be transferred from the smaller hospitals in the region.

Other states are preparing to take similar measures if needed. Hawaii Gov. David Ige quietly signed an order last week releasing hospitals and health care workers from liability if they have to ration health care.

The unfolding crush of patients to Idaho hospitals has been anticipated with dread by the state’s heath care providers. Medical experts have said that Idaho could have as many as 30,000 new coronavirus cases a week by mid-September if the current rate of infections lasts.

“Crisis standards of care is a last resort. It means we have exhausted our resources to the point that our healthcare systems are unable to provide the treatment and care we expect,” Idaho Department of Health and Welfare Director Dave Jeppesen said in a statement.

He added: “This is a decision I was fervently hoping to avoid. The best tools we have to turn this around is for more people to get vaccinated and to wear masks indoors and in outdoor crowded public places. Please choose to get vaccinated as soon as possible – it is your very best protection against being hospitalized from COVID-19.”

The designation will remain in effect until there are enough resources — including staffing, hospital beds and equipment or a drop in the number of patients — to provide normal levels of treatment to all.

More than 500 people were hospitalized statewide with COVID-19 on Sept. 1 and more than a third of them were in intensive care unit beds.

Idaho’s hospitals have struggled to fill empty nursing, housekeeping and other health care positions, in part because some staffers have left because they are burned out by the strain of the pandemic and because others have been quarantined because they were exposed to COVID-19.

Late last month, Little called in 220 medical workers available through federal programs and mobilized 150 Idaho National Guard soldiers to help hospitals cope with the surge.

Two hundred of the federal workers are medical and administrative staffers available through a contract with the U.S. General Services Administration. The U.S. Department of Defense agreed to send a 20-person medical response team to northern Idaho. The Idaho National Guard soldiers will help with logistical support such as screenings and lab work.


On Tuesday, the governor called the move to limit care “an unprecedented and unwanted point in the history of our state” and urged residents to get vaccinated against coronavirus.

Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that full vaccination with any of the currently available coronavirus vaccines dramatically reduces the risk of requiring hospitalization for a coronavirus infection.

“More Idahoans need to choose to receive the vaccine so we can minimize the spread of the disease and reduce the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, many of which involve younger Idahoans and are preventable with safe and effective vaccines,” said Little, who is a Republican.

When the pandemic first came to Idaho at the start of 2020, Little ordered a partial shutdown of the state — ordering some businesses to temporarily close or shift to take-out style services, banning some large gatherings and asking residents to stay home as much as possible.

The move was aimed at ensuring that hospitals wouldn’t become overwhelmed by patients. Idaho was on the verge of enacting crisis standards of care during a major coronavirus surge last winter, but narrowly avoided doing so — making this the first time the state has taken the drastic measure.

Little reopened the state in stages over a period of several months and has not reimposed restrictions limiting gatherings. Businesses are mostly operating as normal.

The state’s crisis guidelines are complex, and give hospitals a legal and ethical template to use while rationing care.

Under the guidelines, patients are given priority scores based on a number of factors that impact their likelihood of surviving a health crisis.

Those deemed in most in need of care and most likely to benefit from it are put on priority lists for scarce resources like ICU beds.

Others in dire need but with lower chances of surviving will be given “comfort care” to help keep them pain-free whether they succumb to their illnesses or recover.

Other patients with serious but not life-threatening medical problems will face delays in receiving care until resources are available.


“I hope that your takeaway from this is that the vaccines work. They are the best tool by far that we have,” to keep people from getting seriously sick from the coronavirus, said Jeppesen, the state health department director.

The demand on hospitals is likely to increase in coming weeks as case numbers continue to climb, Jeppesen said, so everyone should take steps to avoid needing any emergency care if possible by wearing seatbelts, taking medication as prescribed and reconsidering activities like riding bikes that can lead to accidents.

“Just be a little more careful,” he said.
Yet again, why we can't have nice things.

I was listening to a "pissed about the mandate" discussion on black Clubhouse where an adult human said that the failure of hospitals in a pandemic is the hospital's fault and instead of forcing people to get vaccinated that the government should make hospitals get enough beds and staff to cover the public need. Since it was an antivax room, people agreed with any and every bit of nonsense that agreed with not getting vaccinated.

Meanwhile, me in the audience


Boy they hate Fauci. I knew the rednecks were on him because they think he's a Jew but it was definitely news to me that some black folks believe Fauci was at Tuskegee injecting Ms. Evers Boys with syphilis.
 

Akemi

Well-Known Member
Absolutely. Unfortunately there is more evidence of adverse outcomes with the unvaccinated pregnant than there are with vaccinated pregnant women. Unvaccinated pregnant women are lucky if they make it with mild symptoms considering your immune system HAS to lower itself slightly as not to reject the baby. SO if she has mild symptoms, she will be very uncomfortable for a while and monitored very closely.....For the unvaccinated pregnant who get really sick, but manage to elude death, many are intubated, in ICU and their baby has no access to their milk, or any human if there isn't a milk donation program already in that hospital. My NICU and the other level 3 NICUS in the region is overwhelmed with premature deliveries due to COVID. I'm talking late 2nd, early 3rd trimester deliveries (24-34 weeks), which is unusual when the mother is otherwise healthy. If you have a preemie you NEED human milk for these fragile immune-sensitive babies. These moms are also in the ICUs a lot as well. For the typical preemie, most mothers are well immediately or within days to be able to do skin to skin, pump their milk, and provide care for their babies, to start the mother-baby bond, which aids the recovery process and eases the transition to motherhood. For many COVID+ moms, the transition is wild. Women have it hard enough SURVIVING a regular pregnancy...adding COVID to the mix ain't where its at. Tell her we just don't have evidence of the problems people THINK is going to happen. Its the same for vaccinating preemies. My own COVID positive kiddie was finally up to 2 lbs and 1 month old when she got her initial vaccination (Hep B). She didn't even get a fever. And she had other things going on. It was also the 1st day I got to hold her skin to skin.
Yep. That is exactly why I got my vaccine in July while pregnant. I had been hesitant about getting it only because I was pregnant (DH had gotten his since April) but at a certain point I just could not take the risk. We are very careful but I could not bear the thought of catching COVID and giving birth prematurely, losing the baby, or losing my life and not being here for my children. Reading about so many pregnant women who had gotten the vaccine and gave birth to healthy babies helped a lot. I just couldn’t take a risk on something that “might” happen from a vaccine when I could see numerous example of things that have actually happened to pregnant women with COVID.

I have more peace of mind now and we are still as careful as we were before getting the vaccine. The vaccines went fine, baby is fine, and I am now 28 weeks along.

And I am so glad that I will be able to pass antibodies on to baby when I breastfeed. (I want to try to give some pumped breastmilk to my 3 year old though I stopped breastfeeding her at 17 months- I want her to get some antibodies too!)
 

oneastrocurlie

Well-Known Member
This is why we can't have nice things. The larger point is that a lot of people give zero :censored: about spreading it around.

Here's my conspiracy theory as a life long sci-fi/horror fan. It is a fact that viruses want to spread and every infectious disease story there's always an aspect of the virus causing the host to practice behaviors that allow the virus to spread. I would not be surprised if a lot of these anti mask anti vax people are asymptomatic carriers who are just doing what the virus neurologically programs them to do. That's why they come off as so aggressive and irrational.

But those of us who got vaccinated are supposed to be the zombies lol
 
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