Is being in a fraternity or sorority against Christianity?!?

[Reminiscing]

Thanks Soror Vonnieluvs08 for your wonderful post and thanks to the fellow greek sisters who shared their points of view as well. This all boils down to you'll never understand it unless you are greek. There will always be misconceptions about what we do, but there are misconceptions in everything. I can give a married woman advice until I'm blue in the face but I'll never understand what's she's going through until I get married. The fact that the non-greeks posting here do not understand what we do doesn't bother me, it's the judgment that seems to go along with it. You tell us that the organizations we belong to are "ungodly" but for you to compare it to walking with the enemy is simply "ungodly" as well. Am I any less of a Christian than you because I wear letters and you don't? Do you truly know my heart? Do you know what relationship I have with God?

As I said in my first post, a decision to join an organization is between you and God and no one else. God did say "walk not in the counsel of the ungodly" but he also did tell us to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation." (Mark 16:15) If you cannot be apart of something without putting it before God and falling to all of its temptations then you need to reevaluate your relationship with God, not the organization. I for one, use AKA as my tool to help others and show them God's love. Being Greek is not for everyone. If it's not a tool that God wants you to use, then don't do it but please stop speaking negatively of those who choose to.

 

[Child0fGod]

Wow at that website . Steeped in misinformation and some blatant untruths.

share with us.

ETA:
...oh wait, are you a delta?
that probably explains your disagreeance with the webby

sorry, but:
www.dontgogreek.com

 

[Princess4real]

 

[Child0fGod]

Thanks Soror Vonnieluvs08 for your wonderful post and thanks to the fellow greek sisters who shared their points of view as well. This all boils down to you'll never understand it unless you are greek.

even better.

OP,
everyone else:

let's not go that far to find out.

www.dontgogreek.com.

 

[mst1908]

Another sorority member checking in...

I joined a sorority while I was in undergrad and I can confidently say that it did not interfere with my relationship with God. I feel that I was blessed because at the time that I expressed my interest the ladies in the chapter brought up the subject of God and religion with me. I grew up in a pentecostal church and I was known on campus as the church girl (it was obvious from the way I dressed). The ladies wanted to reassure me that they wouldn't do anything to make me go against my beliefs so they asked me if there were any activities and events they held that I felt I wouldn't be able to attend. And when I told them my only concern really is the parties, would I be required to go, they said of course not. Parties are just how we raise money, it's not what we're about. So I joined and asked God to help me keep him first in my life. The ladies in my chapter lived up to their word. I was never asked to choose between God and my sorority. We even went to church together a few times. And I've even prayed, sang hymns and preached a message at our events before.

That was my experience from the start and up until now. There are ministers, pastors, choir directors and load of church members in my grad chapter now. Your choice to join an organization is between you and God. You have to know that you're strong enough and rooted in his Word enough to be able to withstand the temptation because I won't lie, the temptation is there to go to all the parties, throw up your sign and stroll around the room but you have to be strong enough to determine your level of involvement. I did go to a few parties but I never crossed any boundaries and I never let it consume me. I joined my sophomore year and when I graduated I was still know as the church girl. God was seen in me before my letters were seen.

Even though I did stray from God for a few years after I graduated from college, it was my job that caused it, not my sorority. I became so consumed with trying to network and climb the ladder that I started drinking "socially" and working on Sundays and before I knew it I was only going to church about once a month. You see anything you put first can make you lose sight of God, not just a sorority or any other organization. But, thank God I found my way back and he's back to being first in my life!

I pray that with God's guidance you make the decision that works best for your relationship with Him!

Beautifully Stated!!!!!

 

[msa]

share with us.

ETA:
...oh wait, are you a delta?
that probably explains your disagreeance with the webby

sorry, but:
www.dontgogreek.com

I have many reasons to disagree with the website...

1) It's not professionally presented.

2) The pages from a supposed "Delta candidate manual" are completely fabricated.

3)If the pages from the "candidate manual" were real, it is unethical of someone to post that information to the public when they know those documents are private and not to be distributed outside of the organization. The website also has posted quotes from another sorority document. I understand wanting to prove a point, but if a mere human wants to condemn a whole group of people, then they need to come correct, with no flaws of their own.

And the most important thing: if someone wants to present to me reasons why membership in a BGLO is against God's Word, then the number one thing I want to see is exactly how that is so, from the bible (not from their imagination, opinion, or supposed testimonies). But instead the link to the "Bible contradictions" is dead.

 

[Child0fGod]

I have many reasons to disagree with the website...

1) It's not professionally presented.

that's shallow??
...and almost doesn't require a response

it is unethical of someone to post that information to the public when they know those documents are private and not to be distributed outside of the organization.

??

is it because the truth is finally getting out and people (members) are beginning to denounce your organization? ("greeks" overall) ...

And the most important thing: if someone wants to present to me reasons why membership in a BGLO is against God's Word, then the number one thing I want to see is exactly how that is so, from the bible (not from their imagination, opinion, or supposed testimonies). But instead the link to the "Bible contradictions" is dead.

you should consider contacting minister hatchett. his phone number is (919) 278-8911 and he's a pretty nice guy, willing to speak with anyone who is interested in hearing his testimony. i encourage you to call him.

www.dontgogreek.com

p.s. here's the discussion board
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=460887521&frmid=66&msgid=0

ETA:
p.s.s. also a book you can order from amazon.com
"Coming Apart at the Seams" by Fred Hatchett

 

[Child0fGod]

more resources for women considering pledging these secret societies/sororities:

Gail Gray is an ex-AKA. she denounced her organization too because it conflicted with her christian values.

listen to her podcast here:
http://gcraige.podbean.com/2006/11/01/ex-cast-episode-11-gail-gray/

she also has a book here:
http://www.yourbook.com/BookInfo/IP14849-05.asp
"Greek-Letter Organizations:Offspring of Abomination" by Gail Gray (ex-Alpha Kappa Alpha member).

ETA:
PRIASE GOD I FOUND A .PDF OF GAIL'S BOOK!!!
http://www.yourbook.com/DisplayArea/IP14849-05.pdf

hth
& God keep you on your search for truth,

 

[discobiscuits]

Sorry COG, but that website is a crock.

I dunno, but I'm not down for that site.

Did I miss something?

 

[Child0fGod]

Sorry COG, but that website is a crock.

I dunno, but I'm not down for that site.

Did I miss something?

what did you miss, hun? talk to me

 

[discobiscuits]

what did you miss, hun? talk to me

no, i'm asking YOU did i miss something...on that site b/c i'm not convinced (by that site).

 

[Child0fGod]

no, i'm asking YOU did i miss something...on that site b/c i'm not convinced (by that site).

oh ok.
i'm not the one who has to do the convincing, however...

 

[Child0fGod]

no, i'm asking YOU did i miss something...on that site b/c i'm not convinced (by that site).

all i know is that it's a pretty big stronghold.
and, i personally wouldn't want to be tied up to all of that mess.

ETA:
p.s. anyone who listens to Gail's message, she says that it's for the body of Christ. she says it's good to get all of this information (such from the websites i mentioned, etc), but from that we should get revelation. so, it really has to be in someone's heart to want to know Christ.

 

[Child0fGod]

another book/resource:

New Book Exposing Black Pledge Process:
Captain of My Soul: A Memoir (Paperback)
by Whitney Gracia Williams (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Captain-Soul-...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250539239&sr=1-1

 

[Raspberry]

more resources for women considering pledging these secret societies/sororities:

Gail Gray is an ex-AKA. she denounced her organization too because it conflicted with her christian values.

listen to her podcast here:
http://gcraige.podbean.com/2006/11/01/ex-cast-episode-11-gail-gray/

Thanks for this link, what she said was very biblically sound and made a lot of sense.

 

[Princess4real]

all i know is that it's a pretty big stronghold.
and, i personally wouldn't want to be tied up to all of that mess.

ETA:
p.s. anyone who listens to Gail's message, she says that it's for the body of Christ. she says it's good to get all of this information (such from the websites i mentioned, etc), but from that we should get revelation. so, it really has to be in someone's heart to want to know Christ.

If you have a daughter would you allow her to join the Girl Scouts?


The Girl Scout PromiseScout Oath


On my honor, I will try:
To serve God* and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.

Are their cookies evil?

 

[Child0fGod]

this looks like a snippet of the gospel tract Gail was talking about:
(from http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.asp)

....


Psalm 51

1Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
18Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
19Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt offering and whole burnt offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

 

[discobiscuits]

what is notable is she her eyes were opened well after AKA even though she grew up in the church. i like how she read the AKA oath of allegiance and compared it to scripture and how it conflicted with God's word. The AKA oath that she took was essentially the bible plagiarized pledging to AKA not God (Deuteronomy 6:4).

she also does no bashing at all. she does not sound bitter. her election is sure.

more resources for women considering pledging these secret societies/sororities:

Gail Gray is an ex-AKA. she denounced her organization too because it conflicted with her christian values.

listen to her podcast here:
http://gcraige.podbean.com/2006/11/01/ex-cast-episode-11-gail-gray/

she also has a book here:
http://www.yourbook.com/BookInfo/IP14849-05.asp
"Greek-Letter Organizations:Offspring of Abomination" by Gail Gray (ex-Alpha Kappa Alpha member).

ETA:
PRIASE GOD I FOUND A .PDF OF GAIL'S BOOK!!!
http://www.yourbook.com/DisplayArea/IP14849-05.pdf

hth
& God keep you on your search for truth,

 

[theAlist]

he said that all secret organizations are of the devil and are satanic. he said that any organization that requires an oath and/or pledge of secrecy (keeping the internal things of the org private from non-members) is demonic. he said that they go against god's word which is sinful & that ppl can't serve two masters. that's all i remember. he denounces all "secret" orgs, GLO orgs even the one he used to belong to.

secret = exclusionary orgs where members have to go through some type of initiation, take a pledge or oath (including keeping loyal and true to the org) and keep all org related stuff secret from non-members.

My dad said the same exact thing to me once he found out I joined a sorority. And I believe he is right. I think that's what most Christian sorority members ignore in these type of discussions...the secrecy part. To say the org is built on Christian values but still have members take an oath of secrecy is...I don't know....I've stopped being active in my sorority until I can figure certain things out.

 

[GodsPromises]

As with many things as Christian to me it is a conscience decision. For some it's completely wrong for other's as long as you remember who you are it's ok. I am part of the latter. I do not belong to on now but I will in the future. I plan on going in as graduate. I have done my homework and I agree with what they stand for. I work at an HBCU so I know the ins and outs of all of them and what they stand for. Do I agree with everything no I don't but I also know that they are not bad. It is just like any other group or organization. It is what you make it. My son is also interested in joining when he goes to college and yes he has done his research already.

My suggestion to all who are thinking about it. Research and pray, research and pray. What God has in mind for me may not be what he has in mind for you.

 

[goldielocs]

COG,

If you don't mind, what church is Min. Hatchett associated with? I went did my undergrad at an HBCU in NC and there was this church not too far from it that did a lot of preaching on this subject. If you don't want to post it on the thread, feel free to PM me. Thanks.

 

[discobiscuits]

My dad said the same exact thing to me once he found out I joined a sorority. And I believe he is right. I think that's what most Christian sorority members ignore in these type of discussions...the secrecy part. To say the org is built on Christian values but still have members take an oath of secrecy is...I don't know....I've stopped being active in my sorority until I can figure certain things out.

you may want to listen to her if you haven't
http://gcraige.podbean.com/2006/11/01/ex-cast-episode-11-gail-gray/

 

[Nefertiti0906]

I think a lot of these examples are extreme.

For my job, I took a oath and I'm sworn to secrecy, does that mean I'm denying God?

I think not.

 

[discobiscuits]

I think a lot of these examples are extreme.

For my job, I took a oath and I'm sworn to secrecy, does that mean I'm denying God?

I think not.

an oath and secrecy are not the only things that make it ungodly. also oaths and secrecy are not the only indicators of potential ungodliness.

i too took an oath for my job, i too belong to a fraternal organization, and for my job i also don't share info. none of that is ungodly or sinful or denying God. in fact God affirms my job in the bible so i don't trip.

the issue is the oaths taken. in the organizations that are being called sinful or ungodly or satanic they take oaths that deny Christ or use the Word by changing it or use/have symbols from Egypt (like pyramids or sphinx or ankhs) and Egypt is cursed in the bible and anyone who glorifies it or things of it is cursed.

in these said orgs, you pledge by oath your mind, body, soul/life to the brother/sisterhood for life above all else.

in the podcast, the woman reads word-for-word the oath she took for her sorority and then read scripture that showed 1. the sorority oath was against the word and 2. that they used some of the word for their purposes.

additionally, some of the orgs use greek or roman gods/goddesses as their mascots and make pledges to them too.

other orgs pledge to grand architect which is lucifer but they don't know that until they get to higher levels in the org. and of course the higher levels are forbidden by oath of secrecy not to disclose that to lower level group members.

there is so much.

but no, there are some jobs (govt, military etc) that do use oaths or more accurately AFFIRMATIONS for their employees but also some of those govt/military jobs are ordained by God in his word.

those oaths/affirmations are not to some fake god/goddess or organization the oath/affirm is to faithfully carry out the job and uphold the laws of the country that they serve.

 

[Child0fGod]

COG,

If you don't mind, what church is Min. Hatchett associated with? I went did my undergrad at an HBCU in NC and there was this church not too far from it that did a lot of preaching on this subject. If you don't want to post it on the thread, feel free to PM me. Thanks.

hi there,

was the church:

Reprove, Rebuke & Restore Ministries, Inc.
328 Summit Avenue
Raleigh, North Carolina 27603-2352

919-278-8911

the above is minister hatchett's ministry. hope this helps.
​

 

[Nefertiti0906]

1Star, your post seemed more of your opinion than of facts. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[Princess4real]

 

[Child0fGod]

My dad said the same exact thing to me once he found out I joined a sorority. And I believe he is right.I think that's what most Christian sorority members ignore in these type of discussions...the secrecy part. To say the org is built on Christian values but still have members take an oath of secrecy is...I don't know....I've stopped being active in my sorority until I can figure certain things out.

here's my current booklist; i plan on getting each book one day or another. i recommend the same for you and anyone else who is seeking clarification on these organizations:

• "Greek-Letter Organizations: Offspring of Abomination" book by Gail Gray
• "Coming Apart at the Seams" book by Minister Fred Hatchett
• "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" book by G. Craige Lewis
• "Captain of My Soul: A Memoir" book by Whitney Gracia Williams

Gail Gray is an ex-Alpha Kappa Alpha, Fred is an ex-Omega Psi Phi, and I have a friend who is an ex-Kappa Alpha Psi. On Fred's forum/discussion board (dontgogreek discussion board), there are several testimonies of those who have left Alpha Phi Alpha. My sister is a Delta Sigma Theta, but I'm believing GOD for her renunciation. If you ever need any help finding these books, or need someone to talk to about everything we've been discussing on this board, please don't hesitate to send me a PM or something. I know our LORD Jesus will give you revelation from the words written in these testimonies.

Throughout her testimony, Gail mentions whether or not "people came after her" after she denounced, etc and how God had her personally pack up and move like Abraham. She also mentions how people leave their organization because they have a conviction in their spirit that they cannot ignore (literally cannot ignore)... this is called an unction from the Holy Spirit.

One thing Gail mentions in her podcast that is crucial in understanding God's will for His people getting out of these organizations and NOT joining these organizations is: "the will of the FLESH" vs. "the will of GOD." The will of the flesh is powerful. She said that she willed it in her flesh for her to be a member of AKA. And to be careful because people will say "I prayed to the LORD, and that was my answer." (I actually knew an Alpha who told me this, God forgive him and LORD help us get into YOUR will, and OUT of our own).

Luke 22:42

• Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Gail encourages us to sincerely and in honesty pray in our hearts the prayer above that JESUS prayed, when asking the LORD Jesus about joining these organizations. All of the fraternities and sororities associate themselves (oaths of allegiance/secrecy or both) with a pagan/false god whether covertly or overtly (she also explains why they say they don't "worship" the god but if you confess it with your mouth through the oaths, it becomes your god whether or not you bow down to it every day). It's a deadly spiritual bond/yoke.

If we let our own fleshly will go, we won't get caught up in these organizations which are displeasing to God our Father because it is not in His heavenly, holy and righteous will.

Listen to her podcast/TESTIMONY once, twice, three times... as many times as necessary; take notes. I've heard it at least seven times and I thank GOD for the undeniable truth in it (part of Gail's Testimony). Don't forget your other resources including your Bible.

I say, don't stop seeking the truth. The LORD Jesus will HONOR your search if your whole heart is in it. God keep you sis and I pray your strength and the strength of those reading this, and your personal continuing desire to please a HOLY GOD.

In Jesus' name, amen.
Mark 1:14-15
Colossians 2:8

 

[msa]

Your post seemed more of your opinion than of facts. Let's agree to disagree.

What's funny is, 90% of the arguments against BGLO's are opinions. That always happens when people aren't in possession of the facts and instead have to rely on hearsay. But you're right, agree to disagree.

 

[Child0fGod]

msa said
What's funny is, 90% of the arguments against BGLO's are opinions. That always happens when people aren't in possession of the facts and instead have to rely on hearsay. But you're right, agree to disagree.

here's my current booklist; i plan on getting each book one day or another. i recommend the same for you and anyone else who is seeking clarification on these organizations:

• "Greek-Letter Organizations: Offspring of Abomination" book by Gail Gray
• "Coming Apart at the Seams" book by Minister Fred Hatchett
• "The Truth Behind Hip Hop" book by G. Craige Lewis
• "Captain of My Soul: A Memoir" book by Whitney Gracia Williams

Gail Gray is an ex-Alpha Kappa Alpha, Fred is an ex-Omega Psi Phi, and I have a friend who is an ex-Kappa Alpha Psi. On Fred's forum/discussion board (dontgogreek discussion board), there are several testimonies of those who have left Alpha Phi Alpha. My sister is a Delta Sigma Theta, but I'm believing GOD for her renunciation. If you ever need any help finding these books, or need someone to talk to about everything we've been discussing on this board, please don't hesitate to send me a PM or something. I know our LORD Jesus will give you revelation from the words written in these testimonies.

Throughout her testimony, Gail mentions whether or not "people came after her" after she denounced, etc and how God had her personally pack up and move like Abraham. She also mentions how people leave their organization because they have a conviction in their spirit that they cannot ignore (literally cannot ignore)... this is called an unction from the Holy Spirit.

One thing Gail mentions in her podcast that is crucial in understanding God's will for His people getting out of these organizations and NOT joining these organizations is: "the will of the FLESH" vs. "the will of GOD." The will of the flesh is powerful. She said that she willed it in her flesh for her to be a member of AKA. And to be careful because people will say "I prayed to the LORD, and that was my answer." (I actually knew an Alpha who told me this, God forgive him and LORD help us get into YOUR will, and OUT of our own).

Luke 22:42

• Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Gail encourages us to sincerely and in honesty pray in our hearts the prayer above that JESUS prayed, when asking the LORD Jesus about joining these organizations. All of the fraternities and sororities associate themselves (oaths of allegiance/secrecy or both) with a pagan/false god whether covertly or overtly (she also explains why they say they don't "worship" the god but if you confess it with your mouth through the oaths, it becomes your god whether or not you bow down to it every day). It's a deadly spiritual bond/yoke.

If we let our own fleshly will go, we won't get caught up in these organizations which are displeasing to God our Father because it is not in His heavenly, holy and righteous will.

Listen to her podcast/TESTIMONY once, twice, three times... as many times as necessary; take notes. I've heard it at least seven times and I thank GOD for the undeniable truth in it (part of Gail's Testimony). Don't forget your other resources including your Bible.

I say, don't stop seeking the truth. The LORD Jesus will HONOR your search if your whole heart is in it. God keep you sis and I pray your strength and the strength of those reading this, and your personal continuing desire to please a HOLY GOD.

In Jesus' name, amen.
Mark 1:14-15
Colossians 2:8