Kiki music style fits more in the contemporary gospel genre with a hip-hop influence. I don't think "crunk" has evolved enough to consider it a style or genre yet. And, more importantly, it appears that its origins have evolved from possibly some ungodly roots. It's the same argument as hip-hop, but hip hop has become more acceptable in the church for some of the reasons that have been posted by others in this thread. It is partly because of the loosening of standards that the church used to have, justifying the loosening by saying that the church needs a way to reach the youth.
I'm a firm believer that the Gospel of Jesus Christ doesn't need help from the world to draw in believers, young, old, or otherwise.[/quote]
AMEN!!!!!
If you really dig in and READ the Word, it's obvious. Yes God can use crunk, He can use anything He wants. Will He? Doubt it. Through out the Word the Spirit opperates opposite the flesh. I think the church has got too much into "competing with the world, so much so that they water down the Gospel message to fill pews. This is why we have a HUGE influx of false converts. 80% of people who "accept" Christ, lose their faith because they're coming to Him for the wrong reasons. There's a saying that goes, what ever you use to draw them in, that's what they'll stay for.
Don't get me wrong, I love music, but there needs to be a line draw by how much the Church conforms to the world. Chirst as in Body Of Chist or an Assembly, either or will suffice. Sometimes I listen to the Gospel stations online and there's a song Called "Your Best Is Yet to Come." Well it's an emotional song and I do Like Martha Munzini BUT you hear no mention of God, Jesus, the Blood, Repentance. Why? This is obviously NOT a popular message, Jesus said so Himself. Preaching the cross is offensive to them. But it needs to be preached, in our music, in our speech, and especially from our pulpits.
Look at some of the "Old, Boring" Gospel songs. Now listen to the newer ones. With the exception of Kirk Franklin, there's not much message in them, just a bunch of vocal gymnatics. 4 Verse songs are about non-exsistant today in Gospel, EXACTLY like the world. Makes ya think. Some churches don't even have Hymnals. I'm not saying there's no place for contemporary Gospel. It's good "entertainment" no question. But when did the church decide it was better to entertain people, than get them saved by preaching, singing, teaching the TRUE gospel???
Now before I get flamed, yes I know some forms of Gospel came from worldly origins, but my question is, what was the initial purpose of that music? Rap wasn't originally about pimpin, drugs, and sexual promiscuity. CRUNK is. (Personally I don't like Gospel Rap because no offensive to the artists, but some times I get scared that their about to cuss in some of the songs!
That's how much like the world it sounds). The Bible is clear, it's the PREACHING of the cross that gets people saved. Not a song, not a dance, not a prosperity message. I used to go to the Potter's House here locally. I got emotional from the music, I was entertained, but I wasn't saved. Not once did I hear preached repent of your sins. Not in the songs. Nothing. Unfortunately this is the state of or current society. Plenty of pew warmers, not enough Christians. Bringing the world into the Church/Body of Christ is the cause of this. I bet you if half these preachers whipped out a hymnal and started singing songs about the cross, preached repentance, told people they need to die to themselves nd not give into their fleshly desires, they'd lose most of their congregations. The musicians would lose much of their fans....which is why they don't. So sad it's become about being popular and not about getting folks saved.
Romans 12
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
9Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
11Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
13Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
The Jesus Movement was totally radical way of looking at God... People started sayin' "you can have a relationship with the Creator of the Universe because his Son Jesus came down and made a way"... Totally UNHEARD of...
He used a Donkey, but the donkey wasn't freak dancing either now was he. Oh I can see it now, women already come to church looking like they're just stoping in on their way to the club, next will be praise singers "droppin' it like it's hot" but it's ok 'cause they're "dancin' fo' Jesus" oh Lord Jesus Help Us!
