SimplyBlessed
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Just curious...this has been a ?? I have had in my head for a long time and someone I know just recently brought it to the light....
Thanks ladies!!
Thanks ladies!!
Is being in a fraternity or sorority against Christianity?!?
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SimplyBlessed
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I think that is true...I once thought about it but didn't decide to join...but I have soo many friends that are involved in one...
Prudent1
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I don't think in and of itself sororities are against Christianity. However, they like any other thing can become little gods in our lives if we are not careful. Some of the activities many ppl engage in while participating in sorority activities are definitely not godly. So that has to be kept in mind too. Many ppl like the camaraderie and view membership as validation and a rite of passage of sorts. That's fine too I think since it is God who created us with our gregarious nature.
I think the thing to remember is nothing can have 1st place in our hearts besides God. BTW, I opted out of pledging when I was in college b/c I was more mature than a lot of the other girls there at the time. A lot of the activities that were fun to them I could see the later ramifications of.
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Pretty much everyone else in my family (males too) pledged something or the other.
In proper context I think they can be fun.
I think the thing to remember is nothing can have 1st place in our hearts besides God. BTW, I opted out of pledging when I was in college b/c I was more mature than a lot of the other girls there at the time. A lot of the activities that were fun to them I could see the later ramifications of.beer2:ver18:Pretty much everyone else in my family (males too) pledged something or the other.
In proper context I think they can be fun.
delitefulmane
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I don't think in and of itself sororities are against Christianity. However, they like any other thing can become little gods in our lives if we are not careful. Some of the activities many ppl engage in while participating in sorority activities are definitely not godly. So that has to be kept in mind too. Many ppl like the camaraderie and view membership as validation and a rite of passage of sorts. That's fine too I think since it is God who created us with our gregarious nature.
Pretty much everyone else in my family (males too) pledged something or the other.
I agree with Prudent when she said "nothing can have the 1st place in our hearts besides God." I asked this question before I became a memeber of my sorority as well. I even started a thread because I was leery like you. Check if you don't believe me. Now that I am a member, I can honestly say that I have not had to do anything that has made me question my faith in God! However, there are some people in any organization that make idols out of their organizations. As long as you continue to honor God, I dont think you have a problem.
IMHO
goldielocs
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^^^^ I totally agree with you and Prudent,
When I joined my sorority, I was disappointed with the number of my sorors who put our organization in front of God, but's about personal choice. I enjoy my time with my sorors, but like so many other things in life- God comes first.
Peace and blessings.
When I joined my sorority, I was disappointed with the number of my sorors who put our organization in front of God, but's about personal choice. I enjoy my time with my sorors, but like so many other things in life- God comes first.
Peace and blessings.
Princess4real
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discobiscuits
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to hear my Que pastor tell it, it is.
Nefertiti0906
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How so, what did your pastor say?
Reminiscing
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Another sorority member checking in...
I joined a sorority while I was in undergrad and I can confidently say that it did not interfere with my relationship with God. I feel that I was blessed because at the time that I expressed my interest the ladies in the chapter brought up the subject of God and religion with me. I grew up in a pentecostal church and I was known on campus as the church girl (it was obvious from the way I dressed). The ladies wanted to reassure me that they wouldn't do anything to make me go against my beliefs so they asked me if there were any activities and events they held that I felt I wouldn't be able to attend. And when I told them my only concern really is the parties, would I be required to go, they said of course not. Parties are just how we raise money, it's not what we're about. So I joined and asked God to help me keep him first in my life. The ladies in my chapter lived up to their word. I was never asked to choose between God and my sorority. We even went to church together a few times. And I've even prayed, sang hymns and preached a message at our events before.
That was my experience from the start and up until now. There are ministers, pastors, choir directors and load of church members in my grad chapter now. Your choice to join an organization is between you and God. You have to know that you're strong enough and rooted in his Word enough to be able to withstand the temptation because I won't lie, the temptation is there to go to all the parties, throw up your sign and stroll around the room but you have to be strong enough to determine your level of involvement. I did go to a few parties but I never crossed any boundaries and I never let it consume me. I joined my sophomore year and when I graduated I was still know as the church girl. God was seen in me before my letters were seen.
Even though I did stray from God for a few years after I graduated from college, it was my job that caused it, not my sorority. I became so consumed with trying to network and climb the ladder that I started drinking "socially" and working on Sundays and before I knew it I was only going to church about once a month. You see anything you put first can make you lose sight of God, not just a sorority or any other organization. But, thank God I found my way back and he's back to being first in my life!
I pray that with God's guidance you make the decision that works best for your relationship with Him!
I joined a sorority while I was in undergrad and I can confidently say that it did not interfere with my relationship with God. I feel that I was blessed because at the time that I expressed my interest the ladies in the chapter brought up the subject of God and religion with me. I grew up in a pentecostal church and I was known on campus as the church girl (it was obvious from the way I dressed). The ladies wanted to reassure me that they wouldn't do anything to make me go against my beliefs so they asked me if there were any activities and events they held that I felt I wouldn't be able to attend. And when I told them my only concern really is the parties, would I be required to go, they said of course not. Parties are just how we raise money, it's not what we're about. So I joined and asked God to help me keep him first in my life. The ladies in my chapter lived up to their word. I was never asked to choose between God and my sorority. We even went to church together a few times. And I've even prayed, sang hymns and preached a message at our events before.
That was my experience from the start and up until now. There are ministers, pastors, choir directors and load of church members in my grad chapter now. Your choice to join an organization is between you and God. You have to know that you're strong enough and rooted in his Word enough to be able to withstand the temptation because I won't lie, the temptation is there to go to all the parties, throw up your sign and stroll around the room but you have to be strong enough to determine your level of involvement. I did go to a few parties but I never crossed any boundaries and I never let it consume me. I joined my sophomore year and when I graduated I was still know as the church girl. God was seen in me before my letters were seen.
Even though I did stray from God for a few years after I graduated from college, it was my job that caused it, not my sorority. I became so consumed with trying to network and climb the ladder that I started drinking "socially" and working on Sundays and before I knew it I was only going to church about once a month. You see anything you put first can make you lose sight of God, not just a sorority or any other organization. But, thank God I found my way back and he's back to being first in my life!
I pray that with God's guidance you make the decision that works best for your relationship with Him!
msa
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Funny story...during my process in one of the first meetings the chapter president sat us down and let us know that "no this sorority does not worship the devil or any idols...God is first and foremost in all of our lives and many of us joined because the sorority is based on Christian principles".
So that pretty much cleared up any concern I had. It's never been a problem for me. It's just a part of my life, like work, school, and everything else.
So that pretty much cleared up any concern I had. It's never been a problem for me. It's just a part of my life, like work, school, and everything else.
discobiscuits
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he said that all secret organizations are of the devil and are satanic. he said that any organization that requires an oath and/or pledge of secrecy (keeping the internal things of the org private from non-members) is demonic. he said that they go against god's word which is sinful & that ppl can't serve two masters. that's all i remember. he denounces all "secret" orgs, GLO orgs even the one he used to belong to.
secret = exclusionary orgs where members have to go through some type of initiation, take a pledge or oath (including keeping loyal and true to the org) and keep all org related stuff secret from non-members.
Supervixen
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My chapter often prays before our meeting begins. Alot of chapters even meet at churches. There is NOTHING ungodly about the premise, now some of the members...
SimplyBlessed
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That's the whole reason I started this thread...in addition to that...the symbols and what not I heard are not...idk well I just heard some negative things...
Let me clear this up as well..I do not mean to offend ANYBODY LOL I was actually thinking of joinging a soro but changed my mind sooo no this is not a thread trying to call anybody out...
Supervixen
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Interesting. I just don't agree though.
discobiscuits
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i neither agree nor disagree. he would know better than i. i just took it as his opinion based on his personal knowledge and intimate experience with both Omega and Jesus Christ. for him, Jesus won.
i would gladly dispose of an organization that cannot save my soul regardless of if they are satanic or demonic or 100% not.
when in doubt leave it out/get out.
i hope your decision was out of your own research, beliefs and experience and most of all prayer and seeking God's face on what He would approve of.
i'm happy that you are comfortable with your decision.
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momi
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when in doubt leave it out/get out. this is a good principle to apply to life, i can count more than a few times i would have benefited from this.
honeyflaava
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And this is exactly the point at which a Christian’s affiliation with any organization becomes a problem. I don't think that there is anything wrong with a Christian joining a Greek organization, as long as they know who they are and Whose they are and refuse to participate in any activities that are sinful. In my personal experience from what I witnessed while in college, a lot of the people who joined Black Greek organizations did so because they desired the notoriety and distinction that came along with being a member of that fraternity or sorority. Not that there is anything wrong with joining for those reasons, but people who did join for those particular “perks” were often the ones who made their organization their idol even though they professed to be Christians. Their mentality seemed to be, “Oh, I’m a Kappa/AKA/Delta/Que and I’m somebody now!” So they devoted all their time, talent, energy, money, and resources to their fraternity/sorority god.
Perfect example, a male friend of mine I've known since high school. Despite being raised in a Christian home, he has yet to accept who he is in Christ and desperately seeks the attention and praise of the world. Throughout high school and undergrad he struggled with his identity and often assimilated to whomever and whatever he was around. He reminds me of a chameleon. A couple of years ago he joined a graduate chapter of Iota Phi Theta and since then, being an Iota has become his life and identity. He doesn't talk about God, but will talk for hours about his fraternity. Everyone he comes into contact with knows he's an Iota, but most don't know he's a Christian. He’s always wearing Iota jackets and shirts, and if he sees a camera, you can be certain that he will throw up the Iota sign…
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missann
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My childhood church taught against belonging to secret societies/lodges/etc. It's simply not becoming of a Christian - abstain from the very appearance of evil.
There were two Christian girls at my college who pledged but later wanted out of the sorority. I don't know the final outcome, but I know their sorors were not amused. I honestly was perplexed as to why they wanted to pledge in the first place. Just didn't seem right.
There were two Christian girls at my college who pledged but later wanted out of the sorority. I don't know the final outcome, but I know their sorors were not amused. I honestly was perplexed as to why they wanted to pledge in the first place. Just didn't seem right.
Child0fGod
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precisely.
i almost joined my junior year in college but, JESUS had other plans for me
thank You Lord.here is a resource for Christians who are interested in joining a sorority/fraternity, etc:
www.dontgogreek.com.
we have hung out with minister hatchett on several occasions. he's even came to my now, alma mater to do a seminar-- whew, it was hostile up in THERE! --all those conflicting beliefs.
it's a good resource and if i have more i'll be sure to share.
God keep you in your quest for truth.
Child0fGod
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oxymoron there... lol.
discobiscuits
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that's why i put it like that. he has denounced Que and ALL secret societies. however, the saying is "once a ____, always a ____". there are several ex-BGLO members @ my church & i really feel sorry for the men & women who mutilated themselves with branding.
i also feel sorry for the ones who are not honest w/ themselves and know that they want to participate w/ their org but don't b/c of what we've been taught. there is this one woman who is/was AKA & she tries her best to do a convincing testimony about getting out but i can see it in her eyes she misses her sorors and whatever else.
everyone has to make their own choices & they should do so well informed. once they choose they need to make their election sure.
msa
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precisely.
i almost joined my junior year in college but, JESUS had other plans for me
here is a resource for Christians who are interested in joining a sorority/fraternity, etc:
www.dontgogreek.com.
we have hung out with minister hatchett on several occasions. he's even came to my now, alma mater to do a seminar-- whew, it was hostile up in THERE! --all those conflicting beliefs.
it's a good resource and if i have more i'll be sure to share.
God keep you in your quest for truth.
Wow at that website
. Steeped in misinformation and some blatant untruths.
MyHeavenlyFatherKnows
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1) The Bible says "walk not in the counsel of the ungodly"---the people you pledge w/--that you bond yourselves to as "family"---are not inherently Godly--they may say they are Christians, but are not necessarily followers of Christ---in many instances, they are just heathens that you are binding yourself to. The social probabation period is a huge issue for me--as anything I am a part of should be shareable in the light of day AND my only counsel/friendship should not be only whoever is on line with me.
2) You can tell the nature of a thing by the fruit it bears. While many join to help the world/their community---the most common aspect is partying etc--basically, the most commonly engaged in activities are sinful by design.
3) Reading the websites of GLO's you get the "Tower of Babble" feeling, like men/women are trying to build something by being great men/women...but there is not mention that we are nothing without Christ, and that we can do all things through CHRIST, not (((insert letters here))))). The Bible says "seek ye first the kingdom of God"---I think GLO's ask you to seek first their tenets--despite the lipservice paid to "most members being Christian".
I believe one should only be bonded to Christ and to others who are of like spirit. Junebug from down the hall is not of like spirit, in fact, after a few conversations we might just realize that all Junebug has IS A SPIRIT (demon). So no, I will keep my interpersonal bonds to those which have been tested against the word of God and over which I have control.
2) You can tell the nature of a thing by the fruit it bears. While many join to help the world/their community---the most common aspect is partying etc--basically, the most commonly engaged in activities are sinful by design.
3) Reading the websites of GLO's you get the "Tower of Babble" feeling, like men/women are trying to build something by being great men/women...but there is not mention that we are nothing without Christ, and that we can do all things through CHRIST, not (((insert letters here))))). The Bible says "seek ye first the kingdom of God"---I think GLO's ask you to seek first their tenets--despite the lipservice paid to "most members being Christian".
I believe one should only be bonded to Christ and to others who are of like spirit. Junebug from down the hall is not of like spirit, in fact, after a few conversations we might just realize that all Junebug has IS A SPIRIT (demon). So no, I will keep my interpersonal bonds to those which have been tested against the word of God and over which I have control.
Wow...Lipservice? I am not sure how you received your point of view but I RESPECTFULLY disagree!!! Despite your beliefs, there are some very spiritual and Godly men and women in the Fraternities and Sororities.
msa
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Just as people in your natural family are not "inherently Godly" (and no one is, except for Jesus Christ), those in my sorority family are not that either. They are HUMAN, sinners with their own faults, just as I have mine.
Folks bind themselves to churches all day every day that are filled with "heathens" and run by "heathens", so let's not start to nitpick and judge folks we don't even know.
Also, I'm not even going to address the "social probation period" because everyone has their misconceptions about that. I will say this, when you first became a Christian, didn't you want to learn everything about it? spend time with your bible? fellowship with other believers? My sorority is not a religion, but the same principle applies. If you choose to join an almost century old organization it takes time and focus to learn everything about it.
It's interesting that people only look at the parties and the stepping as "fruit" of BGLO's when we do far more community service as chapters than most churches do. Check the history and current activities.
The most common activity I engaged in before becoming a member and since becoming a member has been community service. Just like a non-affiliated college student/grad student can choose to go to the club all the time or to go feed the homeless, so can a sorority/fraternity member.
Delta does not come before God in any shape, fashion, form, or circumstance. In fact, membership in my sorority only helps me to do God's work that much more efficiently. I am not who I am because of Delta, I am who I am because of God and neither myself, nor my sorors (ooo-oop!) would have it any other way.
goldielocs
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prettynatural
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Being in a sorority is no more "wrong" than being in a professional association or any other civic group. I tell people, the organization is what you make it, if you don't do nothing, you don't get nothing out of it. There are a few "first ladies" and they do service in their church ministeries as well as the sorority. You can have balance.
Vonnieluvs08
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ITA with this post.
I have family members that only see the inside of a church for special occasions and the rest of the time are out in the streets doing who knows what, but I still love them because they are my family. My Line Sisters are the same way, some of them do things I don't do or are trying to phase out of my life but they were there with me (as well as God) when my life took some unforunate turns. My new church family is the same way. I am closer to those who are like minded in the walk with Christ. Our sorority weeks when i was in undergrad started and ended in Church because we new he was the Alpha and Omega of our lives before the Sorority.
I joined my Sorority (AKA) because they are in service to all mankind. They have given me an outlet to show how Christ is working in my life through community service. My chapter (both undergrad and grad) do more community service and outreach then anything else. The whole conception of Sorority/Fraternity life being about partying is an undergrad thing and some chapters value partying more than others but that is not the whole of BLGO. Does my sorority hold events that have music and fellowship yes! but it's wholesome and you can chose to partake in those events or not. And as a previous poster said the parties are just a form of fundraising that allow us to further our community service. If either of my chapters were just about partying and showing off their letter then I wouldn't have joined.
My Sorority has never come before anything else in my life (God, School, work, family). AKA has been an outlet for helping others and therefore furthering God's plan in my life and from the bible. I hope now that i have become a better Christian my efforts in AKA will reflect the light of God in me and therefore bring people to Christ and not to AKA.
My question would be are Masons and OES included in this discussion? Esp in relation to the post by the lady with the Que pastor (sorry I don't remember your name).
Also I think that there are some BGLO (or chapters within those) that are more idolistic then others but I am not one to judge. If anything you should be mad at the WGLO who aren't founded on Christian principles and don't do community service for real and all they do is drink and party and sport their letters as their God.
Princess4real
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