my hair is still tangled after washing and conditioning

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

I prepoo in four sections twist each section, I was my hair and because im relaxed the twist unravels, but I keep my hair in one direction, I pat my hair dry with a micro fiber towel in one direction, I condition in one direction (which is forward), I then gather hair and clip on top of my head and put on plastic cap and deep condition, I take clip out and it it assumes it's forward position I rinse out conditioner with the hair still forward and pat dry with microfiber towel, I go to part hair in sections and it's tangled, not severely tangled but why isn't it a breeze to detangle like some of your hair is, im begging you please help me! I use mane and tale detangler and it doesn't seen to help much, thanks in advance and I detangle while I prepoo and it's a breeze, it's just after it get wet it tangled,.suggestions please

ThickRoot · Apr 8, 2013

OP not hijacking your thread, just tagging in. I have the same problem and I'm very interested to know the answer to this. Stay in sections and doesn't help. Like you I detangle before I wash, after I wash its tangled not at the root exactly but near the top.

Subscribing.

LisaMar · Apr 8, 2013

I had major tangeling problems that are now less of an issue. I'm natural, MBL.

Step1- make sure I remove 100% of the shedded hairs. Sometimes we think we have removed them and we have not. Step 2- The other thing is to saturate hair in a cheap oil (olive oil/coconut oil) and sleep in it over night. Step 3-The next day one hour before washing with shampoo, to pour 8-12 ounces of oil on hair and see if there are anymore shedded hairs. (sometimes I skip step 2.) Then when washing, conditioning, and air drying ensure that the braids or twists DO NOT UNRAVEL AT ALL. Period.

HTH

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

ThickRoot said:
OP not hijacking your thread, just tagging in. I have the same problem and I'm very interested to know the answer to this. Stay in sections and doesn't help. Like you I detangle before I wash, after I wash its tangled not at the root exactly but near the top.

Subscribing.

Well help me keep bumping to get more help

FoxxyLocs · Apr 8, 2013

I braid the sections, leaving the roots loose so I can have access to my scalp. When I rinse, I undo each braid, rinse, and re-braid. This keeps my hair detangled better than twisting each section. I don't use oil. My "prepoo" is detangling with conditioner on dry hair.

Honi · Apr 8, 2013

Are you relaxed and a color girl? It could be a porosity problem. Try an ACV rinse or porosity control. That will seal your cuticles shut and reduce the tangles.

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

Honi said:
Are you relaxed and a color girl? It could be a porosity problem. Try an ACV rinse or porosity control. That will seal your cuticles shut and reduce the tangles.

I use acv rinses when I prepoo with conditioner all the time and I check my porosity I'm good, it's the length that gets tangled

temfash · Apr 8, 2013

LisaMar said:
I had major tangeling problems that are now less of an issue. I'm natural, MBL.

Step1- make sure I remove 100% of the shedded hairs. Sometimes we think we have removed them and we have not. Step 2- The other thing is to saturate hair in a cheap oil (olive oil/coconut oil) and sleep in it over night. Step 3-The next day one hour before washing with shampoo, to pour 8-12 ounces of oil on hair and see if there are anymore shedded hairs. (sometimes I skip step 2.) Then when washing, conditioning, and air drying ensure that the braids or twists DO NOT UNRAVEL AT ALL. Period.

HTH

I agree, I'm natural with 4b/a hair. I had serious tangling issues till I started olive oil pre-poos on dry hair and pre-detangling (detangling before I wash). I also have hard water so diluted ACV rinse with distilled/spring water as a final rinse also helped.

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

temfash said:
I agree, I'm natural with 4b/a hair. I had serious tangling issues till I started olive oil pre-poos on dry hair and pre-detangling (detangling before I wash). I also have hard water so diluted ACV rinse with distilled/spring water as a final rinse also helped.

Well maybe it's the water but I use regular tap water with the acv rinse

QueenAmaka · Apr 8, 2013

OP my hair is relaxed too I used to get extreme tangles until I found the right conditioner and shampoo. I now alternate conditioners (Nexxus Humectress, Organix, Aubrey Organics and sometimes Keracare. It also helped when I started using sulfate free shampoos. Hope this helps.

divachyk · Apr 8, 2013

Lilmama1011 said:
I prepoo in four sections twist each section, I was my hair and because im relaxed the twist unravels, but I keep my hair in one direction, I pat my hair dry with a micro fiber towel in one direction, I condition in one direction (which is forward), I then gather hair and clip on top of my head and put on plastic cap and deep condition, I take clip out and it it assumes it's forward position I rinse out conditioner with the hair still forward and pat dry with microfiber towel, I go to part hair in sections and it's tangled, not severely tangled but why isn't it a breeze to detangle like some of your hair is, im begging you please help me! I use mane and tale detangler and it doesn't seen to help much, thanks in advance and I detangle while I prepoo and it's a breeze, it's just after it get wet it tangled,.suggestions please

@Lilmama1011,

what is meant by forward -- are you saying all hair is coming forward toward the crown? I wash with all hair going back toward my back.

You can secure the twists with a rubberband. I braid vs. twist and secure with a rubberband. Braiding holds better than twists.

I squeeze the hair with my hands first. Then use a white tshirt vs. microfiber towel to tubie twist the hair until it's barely damp.

Ensuring the hair is properly detangled before washing is key. Try using mane and tale to get all sheds out before washing.

Ensuring you're not using products that keeps cuticles lifted causing strands to snag and tangle when rubbing against each other is also important.

ETA: Make sure you're not roughing up the hair while washing.

mshoneyfly · Apr 8, 2013

I assume you remove all shed hairs before you twist into sections using a prepoo oil or even a moisturizer. I notice that if I don't get rid of shed hairs, I will have tangles.

Also doing a FINAL rinse with ACV (focusing on the length of your hair) might make all the difference. It did for me. The first time I did it, I used 32 oz distilled water to 3 caps ACV. It worked like a charm. I don't even need to do it anymore now (I think because I now use henna and sukesh glosses). My hair has been a lot more silky and manageable.

IDK what kind of conditioner you're using but I just used Naturally Silk Elements and it came out so silky yesterday. I prepoo'd with Brahmi oil btw.

I hope these suggestions help

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NIN4eva · Apr 8, 2013

If mane and tale detangler isn't working you're having a serious porosity issue. You need a new conditioner. I would lay off the ACV and get something made to condition AND lay down the cuticles on your length.

ThickRoot · Apr 8, 2013

These seem to be great responses, but I'm bumping OP to keep the info flowing in.

Bump...

Nonie · Apr 8, 2013

Lilmama1011 said:
I prepoo in four sections twist each section, I was my hair and because im relaxed the twist unravels, but I keep my hair in one direction, I pat my hair dry with a micro fiber towel in one direction, I condition in one direction (which is forward), I then gather hair and clip on top of my head and put on plastic cap and deep condition, I take clip out and it it assumes it's forward position I rinse out conditioner with the hair still forward and pat dry with microfiber towel, I go to part hair in sections and it's tangled, not severely tangled but why isn't it a breeze to detangle like some of your hair is, im begging you please help me! I use mane and tale detangler and it doesn't seen to help much, thanks in advance and I detangle while I prepoo and it's a breeze, it's just after it get wet it tangled,.suggestions please

Even when I was relaxed, I never washed my hair w/o combing it throughout the wash. It doesn't matter if you comb hair and remove shed hair before the wash. More will shed as you wash and will cause tangles if you don't comb. I never have tangles. Never had them when I was relaxed and my new growth was easy to comb. Instead of twists, I recommend braids. Here is how I recommend you wash (see link). May seem like a lot of work but it isn't once you get used to it. And it beats having tangles or having to detangle. It removes any remaining shed hair or any that shed during the wash. It has never failed me and as you will see from some responses, it was an epiphany for some: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=584699

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

QueenAmaka said:
OP my hair is relaxed too I used to get extreme tangles until I found the right conditioner and shampoo. I now alternate conditioners (Nexxus Humectress, Organix, Aubrey Organicsd sometimes Keracare. It also helped when I started using sulfate free shampoos. Hope this helps.

I use sulphate free shampoos unless I clarify which is once a month

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

divachyk said:
@Lilmama1011,

what is meant by forward -- are you saying all hair is coming forward toward the crown? I wash with all hair going back toward my back.

You can secure the twists with a rubberband. I braid vs. twist and secure with a rubberband. Braiding holds better than twists.

I squeeze the hair with my hands first. Then use a white tshirt vs. microfiber towel to tubie twist the hair until it's barely damp.

Ensuring the hair is properly detangled before washing is key. Try using mane and tale to get all sheds out before washing.

Ensuring you're not using products that keeps cuticles lifted causing strands to snag and tangle when rubbing against each other is also important.
, now them products that lift my cuticle I don't know, what should I use
ETA: Make sure you're not roughing up the hair while washing.

I wash my hair in the sink that's why, and I don't rough my hair up

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

mshoneyfly said:
I assume you remove all shed hairs before you twist into sections using a prepoo oil or even a moisturizer. I notice that if I don't get rid of shed hairs, I will have tangles.

Also doing a FINAL rinse with ACV (focusing on the length of your hair) might make all the difference. It did for me. The first time I did it, I used 32 oz distilled water to 3 caps ACV. It worked like a charm. I don't even need to do it anymore now (I think because I now use henna and sukesh glosses). My hair has been a lot more silky and manageable.

IDK what kind of conditioner you're using but I just used Naturally Silk Elements and it came out so silky yesterday. I prepoo'd with Brahmi oil btw.

I hope these suggestions help

Sent from my iPhone using LHCF

I used naturally silk elements as well

yorkpatties · Apr 8, 2013

NIN4eva said:
If mane and tale detangler isn't working you're having a serious porosity issue. You need a new conditioner. I would lay off the ACV and get something made to condition AND lay down the cuticles on your length.

I used to have the WORST tangling with Mane N Tail when my aunt put me on to it in the mid 90's. It didn't agree with my hair at all. When I think of mane N Tail I think of tangles, lol.

I am not relaxed like I was back when I used MNT, but I find that washing in large braids, undoing the braids and removing my shed hair with a denman brush and creamy conditioner, rebraiding my hair and then rinsing helps me prevent tangles.

Good luck OP.

Ari8 · Apr 8, 2013

Isn't mane & tail protein? Too much protein may be tangling your hair.

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

I do all of these except I don't know if I use conditioners that smooth my cuticles, any suggestions and I don't know if mane and tale a protein, I just started using it back again because it was tangled, I use moisture conditioner every week for three weeks and the forth I use protein

koolkittychick · Apr 8, 2013

Lilmama1011 said:
I wash my hair in the sink that's why, and I don't rough my hair up

Washing your hair in the sink when it is prone to tangling is about the worst thing you can do for your hair, precisely because you have your hair combed forward. Hair does not grow or lay in that direction, and will naturally want to tangle if combed in that direction, especially kinky coily hair or strands that have been weakened by relaxer and water. You put the least amount of stress on your hair when you keep it combed down from your crown (best) or combed gently back from the face with a crown part. The few times I tried to wash my hair in the sink ended in disaster for this reason; once I stuck to washing my hair under the shower, detangling became much easier.

Good luck!

Evolving78 · Apr 8, 2013

i can't use that mane and tail detangler. it just creates more problems. and it is best to detangle your hair dry first with an oil and remove tangles and shed hairs. also i use my fingers to detangle. (especially after washing) and i pull my strands apart like string cheese. i don't use my fingers to rake through my hair.

girl! stop washing your hair in the sink! you gotta get in the shower for now on! that means you gotta get in twice! first to wash, then to rinse the conditioner out. i hate doing it sometimes, but it's the only way! i had to stop washing my hair in the sink back in 2011!

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

koolkittychick said:
Washing your hair in the sink when it is prone to tangling is about the worst thing you can do for your hair, precisely because you have your hair combed forward. Hair does not grow or lay in that direction, and will naturally want to tangle if combed in that direction, especially kinky coily hair or strands that have been weakened by relaxer and water. You put the least amount of stress on your hair when you keep it combed down from your crown (best) or combed gently back from the face with a crown part. The few times I tried to wash my hair in the sink ended in disaster for this reason; once I stuck to washing my hair under the shower, detangling became much easier.

Good luck!

O, ok that makes sense, I will do that next well then

Amarilles · Apr 8, 2013

Make sure the protein balance is okay. If your strands are coarse, too much protein (especially hydrolyzed) will tangle and mat the hair. If your strands are fine, you probably need the protein.

Shadiyah · Apr 8, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZDOBHLDe9U this may help some of you. now I remember why we were told to use a whole line when you use a product. but if you must mix and match you will have to check for the things she is talking about.

Shadiyah · Apr 8, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvOjwh4Mug here is the first part.

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

That's crazy how you have to be good in science to deal with your hair

mshoneyfly · Apr 8, 2013

You dont have to be good at science, you just have to google the ingredients of your products. You can even google them before you buy if you know the name.

There are a lot of diff names for protein. The same with humectants, emollients, fillers, and preservatives. Thats mostly what hair products are made of.

Also, have u heard of the book, "The Science of Black of Black Hair"? Its pretty much groundbreaking as far as giving info on what your hair is made of.

ETA: I will post a quote from the book when I get home. Can I do that?

Lilmama1011 · Apr 8, 2013

mshoneyfly said:
You dont have to be good at science, you just have to google the ingredients of your products. You can even google them before you buy if you know the name.

There are a lot of diff names for protein. The same with humectants, emollients, fillers, and preservatives. Thats mostly what hair products are made of.

Also, have u heard of the book, "The Science of Black of Black Hair"? Its pretty much groundbreaking as far as giving info on what your hair is made of.

ETA: I will post a quote from the book when I get home. Can I do that?

I understand proteins and fillers and etc it's the ph and acidic levels that are so scientific

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