Iyanla: "fix My Life" -- Gay Preachers -- Part 3 Of 3 ...

Shimmie

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Smh. According to this article he wrote a few days ago, the church is to blame for the alarming rate of HIV/AIDS within the African American community. I will be in prayer for him and the growing number of like minded people.

http://www.advocate.com/6in10men/2015/9/24/high-cost-black-churchs-homophobia
He will not take accountability for his sin. How is the Church the blame when he's the one doing the deed that transmits HIV/AIDS? We (the Church) did all we could to advise, counsel, love, embrace and warn folks about all of this, but it fell upon rebellious ears.

And.....what was he doing to prevent HIV/AIDS as a 'quote/unquote' Pastor? Really dude? Really? :nono:

I'm watching the replay of this episode now. He's a mess.
 

Iwanthealthyhair67

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Shimmie

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Oh wow, I'm not surprised ...so that whole exercise of being on tv was fruitless.

This man is out of his mind. The first commandment for any man of God is repentance; acknowledging and turning away from all sin. He has a taste for and likes the acts of being gay. He is not a man of God. Not by any means. :nono:
 

Shimmie

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A prayer for gay 'pastors' ...

From the Lord's Prayer:

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)

9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.

Amen.

Key Words...

"Lead us not unto temptation, deliver us from evil...

Thy kingdom come thy will be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven." Amen.


Every Pastor knows that, God does not lead us into temptation, nor tempt us with evil, He delivers. Therefore, no one is born gay.
 

TrulyBlessed

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Oh wow, I'm not surprised ...so that whole exercise of being on tv was fruitless.

Pretty much :angry2:. They need a Christian to spiritually/biblically counsel them and hold them accountable for their sins. Iyanla is not it. As a matter of fact I would say this show has done more damage. They are on Twitter estatic about the outpouring of support. Too many enablers and the sad thing is there are people who will be inspired by their stories.

Eta: I would actually have some respect for them if they stepped down and lived their life in that they wouldn't have the platform to lead others astray but no these negroes are about the have my cake and eat it too life. Very dangerous game to play but we all know God has the final say.
 
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Iwanthealthyhair67

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Pretty much :angry2:. They need a Christian to spiritually/biblically counsel them and hold them accountable for their sins. Iyanla is not it. As a matter of fact I would say this show has done more damage. They are on Twitter estatic about the outpouring of support. Too many enablers and the sad thing is there are people who will be inspired by their stories.

Eta: I would actually have some respect for them if they stepped down and lived their life in that they wouldn't have the platform to lead others astray but no these negroes are about the have my cake and eat it too life. Very dangerous game to play but we all know God has the final say.
ITA, I think some of these people purposely seek her out because they know she is not going to call them out on them being gay...

My biggest fear is that not enough deliverance is going on in the church..we are being taught the 7 steps to this, how to live our best life, how to grow our church how to be prosperous but we are not being taught that Jesus can deliver and he can set the captives free.
 

Shimmie

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Pretty much :angry2:. They need a Christian to spiritually/biblically counsel them and hold them accountable for their sins. Iyanla is not it. As a matter of fact I would say this show has done more damage. They are on Twitter estatic about the outpouring of support. Too many enablers and the sad thing is there are people who will be inspired by their stories.

Eta: I would actually have some respect for them if they stepped down and lived their life in that they wouldn't have the platform to lead others astray but no these negroes are about the have my cake and eat it too life. Very dangerous game to play but we all know God has the final say.

ITA, I think some of these people purposely seek her out because they know she is not going to call them out on them being gay...

My biggest fear is that not enough deliverance is going on in the church..we are being taught the 7 steps to this, how to live our best life, how to grow our church how to be prosperous but we are not being taught that Jesus can deliver and he can set the captives free.

Iyanla is in this because this is 'all' she has that makes her feel important. She's in 'her moment'... folks are giving her praise. She has Oprah on her side.

I like her compassion, however she's not truly helping people by keeping them in their sin.
 

Blackpearl1993

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I watched some of the episode. I couldn't bring myself to watch the entire thing because I know that what she is doing and the agenda behind the show isn't right. Most everything that Iyanla does comes across as ritualistic to me. She uses the right buzz words to draw people in, but there is no anointing behind what she is doing.
Iyanla's brand of "help" rubs me the wrong way for exactly the reasons that you and Shimmie have stated. I remember watching the 3 part episode where she tried to "fix" the man who had 30+ children by an inordinate number of women. I watched just to see what help she would indeed offer. I wanted to see if she would talk about God. Briefly, she talked about doing what was spiritually right in regards to the way children should be brought into the world. She started out by saying to one particular man in a forum discussion, that he needed to only produce children in marriage. Then she said, well... at least living together and committed. Come on now...you can't talk about producing children in the way God intended and then also mention living together and call that committed as if it's equivalent to marriage! In addition, Iyanla spent most of her time berating the man for his promiscuity (and yes, the was/is wrong for his behavior). However, she acted like the women were only victims, as if they were not just as culpable as the man they reproduced with (some had multiple children with this man). Iyanla does not speak Biblical truth to anyone on the show. People need to be held accountable for their actions and told the truth about sin in addition to being told that God loves them. The good news is not complete when all of the parts are not present.

The problem with Iyanla's show is that people really believe that she can fix them. Well, we know that isn't possible. Only God can do what Iyanla is claiming to do.
 

mrselle

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Iyanla's brand of "help" rubs me the wrong way for exactly the reasons that you and Shimmie have stated. I remember watching the 3 part episode where she tried to "fix" the man who had 30+ children by an inordinate number of women. I watched just to see what help she would indeed offer. I wanted to see if she would talk about God. Briefly, she talked about doing what was spiritually right in regards to the way children should be brought into the world. She started out by saying to one particular man in a forum discussion, that he needed to only produce children in marriage. Then she said, well... at least living together and committed. Come on now...you can't talk about producing children in the way God intended and then also mention living together and call that committed as if it's equivalent to marriage! In addition, Iyanla spent most of her time berating the man for his promiscuity (and yes, the was/is wrong for his behavior). However, she acted like the women were only victims, as if they were not just as culpable as the man they reproduced with (some had multiple children with this man). Iyanla does not speak Biblical truth to anyone on the show. People need to be held accountable for their actions and told the truth about sin in addition to being told that God loves them. The good news is not complete when all of the parts are not present.

The problem with Iyanla's show is that people really believe that she can fix them. Well, we know that isn't possible. Only God can do what Iyanla is claiming to do.

From what I've read, Iyanla spends 48 hours....72 hours max....with these people. The vast majority of families with the types of problems she covers on this show require far more than a weekend to "fix" and she isn't qualified to give the kind of therapy these people require.
 

Godsdaughter001

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I watched some of the episode. I couldn't bring myself to watch the entire thing because I know that what she is doing and the agenda behind the show isn't right. Most everything that Iyanla does comes across as ritualistic to me. She uses the right buzz words to draw people in, but there is no anointing behind what she is doing.

Exactly. And iyanla vanzant is NOT Christian. I forget what religion she is, but she refers to god (little g on purpose), as He/She and Mother Earth. Why would a pastor knowingly seek advice of a non Christian. That's a big part of the problem right there.
 

Shimmie

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Exactly. And iyanla vanzant is NOT Christian. I forget what religion she is, but she refers to god (little g on purpose), as He/She and Mother Earth.

Why would a pastor knowingly seek advice of a non Christian. That's a big part of the problem right there.

Exactly! :yep: A sincere Christian would not pacify his gay lifestyle. Iyanla not only pacifies it, but gives them 'permission' to continue. She also belittles those who are living the truth of God so that 'they' (the ones gay) feel vindicated and validated even more.
 

Shimmie

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Why are they lying about the Church holding them back?

Quote: "They" (the Church) don't want you to be 'out' and gay"

Stop twisting the truth ... the Truth is that the Word of God does not condone homosexuality and instead of yielding to the truth of God's word, these folks (Iyanla and these pastors) are instead blaming the Church for these men's sin.
 

Shimmie

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Part 3 of the series was nothing that we didn't expect. No acknowledgment of God's word regarding homosexuality as sin. This is such a mess. :nono:

I was happy to see the love of Derrick's family for him. It was genuine. However, they were not allowed to feel validated for seeing this for what it is...sin. They weren't given that freedom to do so. They were made to feel that it was wrong and unloving of their son and brother, which is far from the truth.

Of course, they displayed two Church members from Derrick's congregation who called the lifestyle a sin, as 'hateful', which they were not. :nono: And those who supported him as loving and kind. But then, are we surprised? This was the entire objective of this series from the very beginning, which was to validate the sin and discredit God's Word.

Sad: :nono: Just sad :nono:
 

MzRhonda

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My research leads me to believe that was NOT his actual church nor congregation.....the name of the church I googled and it is very accepting of gay/lesbians his name is not listed anywhere on the website and all staff and ministers are white.......Pastor Derek FB page says he lives in Cincinnatti...some portions of the show is scripted.....we don't know if he really has a church and we don't know how accepting or not that they were.
 

Shimmie

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My research leads me to believe that was NOT his actual church nor congregation.....the name of the church I googled and it is very accepting of gay/lesbians his name is not listed anywhere on the website and all staff and ministers are white.......Pastor Derek FB page says he lives in Cincinnatti...some portions of the show is scripted.....we don't know if he really has a church and we don't know how accepting or not that they were.
@MzRhonda, thank you so much for this.

But...why on earth would 'they' (on OWN) lie (fabricate) elements of this story knowing that folks could so easily expose the truth? Why would 'OWN' take that risk against their integrity?

It's one thing for them to support the gay lifestyle, but why lie? Just say you support it.

Of course the answer is that there is an 'agenda' with the media to support the sin and to 'silence' the Church, but why Oprah? Why would she stoop so low as to fabricate? I would hope that she had far more integrity to not do so nor approve of this.
 

MzRhonda

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@MzRhonda, thank you so much for this.

But...why on earth would 'they' (on OWN) lie (fabricate) elements of this story knowing that folks could so easily expose the truth? Why would 'OWN' take that risk against their integrity?

It's one thing for them to support the gay lifestyle, but why lie? Just say you support it.

Of course the answer is that there is an 'agenda' with the media to support the sin and to 'silence' the Church, but why Oprah? Why would she stoop so low as to fabricate? I would hope that she had far more integrity to not do so nor approve of this.

They might not have meant for the church name to get out there.......they never said the name of either of the churches......I only saw the name on the building as they were walking in. I googled to see if he was still there and nothing about that church matches him....it matches that the church is accepting and possibly why they agreed to be a "prop" and welcoming.

ETA: Church website http://douglassblvdcc.com/
 

Shimmie

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They might not have meant for the church name to get out there.......they never said the name of either of the churches......I only saw the name on the building as they were walking in. I googled to see if he was still there and nothing about that church matches him....it matches that the church is accepting and possibly why they agreed to be a "prop" and welcoming.

ETA: Church website http://douglassblvdcc.com/

I just went back to the article noted up thread via the 'Mitchel' guy that Iyanla interviewed who blames the Black Church for the high HIV/AIDS rate in the Black community. This man is not only delusional but this twitter post of his when mentions 'young boys' truly scares me.

He opens his post with 'accepting our young boys'..... It's dated March 4th, a few posts down the page and it's been zoomed in size for emphasis. :nono:

https://twitter.com/mastermindwithm

Mitchell Jones ‏@MastermindwithM Mar 4
Accepting Our Boys, Uplifting Our Men: Loving Unconditionally to End the Spread of HIV/AIDS http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verneda-white/accepting-our-boys-uplifting-our-men-loving-unconditionally-to-end-the-spread-of-hivaids_b_6768456.html… via @blackvoices

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This message smells horridly of recruiting young boys into homosexuality. They are not 'born that way. :nono: This man is just evil.
 

MzRhonda

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They might not have meant for the church name to get out there.......they never said the name of either of the churches......I only saw the name on the building as they were walking in. I googled to see if he was still there and nothing about that church matches him....it matches that the church is accepting and possibly why they agreed to be a "prop" and welcoming.
I just went back to the article noted up thread via the 'Mitchel' guy that Iyanla interviewed who blames the Black Church for the high HIV/AIDS rate in the Black community. This man is not only delusional but this twitter post of his when mentions 'young boys' truly scares me.

He opens his post with 'accepting our young boys'..... It's dated March 4th, a few posts down the page and it's been zoomed in size for emphasis. :nono:

https://twitter.com/mastermindwithm

Mitchell Jones ‏@MastermindwithM Mar 4
Accepting Our Boys, Uplifting Our Men: Loving Unconditionally to End the Spread of HIV/AIDS http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verneda-white/accepting-our-boys-uplifting-our-men-loving-unconditionally-to-end-the-spread-of-hivaids_b_6768456.html… via @blackvoices

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This message smells horridly of recruiting young boys into homosexuality. They are not 'born that way. :nono: This man is just evil.

Ok and this man lives in Virginia and grew up in Virginia...how they heck did it appear as though he lived in Kentucky and pastored a church there. :nono: I know when Iyanla visited he and his ex wife on the 3rd show I think she said she was in Virginia.
 

Shimmie

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Ok and this man lives in Virginia and grew up in Virginia...how they heck did it appear as though he lived in Kentucky and pastored a church there. :nono: I know when Iyanla visited he and his ex wife on the 3rd show I think she said she was in Virginia.

I deleted all three of the recordings of the show, so I have to review them on Demand.

I just remember when Iyanla was in her car, she mentioned that she doesn't usually do this.... as she was returning to Kentucky. That was the 'safe house' where she met with everyone.

I need to go back and review the shows for clarity.

As much as I disagree with Iyanla's and Oprah's platform, I still don't want them to be among those who are low down and dirty for ratings. :nono: I'm praying for them as they have far too much to offer if they were on the right side of God and His Word.
 

MzRhonda

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I found several church names for Mitchel in Virginia and several youtube videos from 2009.


I can't find a current church for him looks like he has his own trucking company per his linkedin account.
 
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