Starbucks Discrimination

Sweetg said:

@momi 2 different incidents

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So they were asked to leave but didn't, and then the restroom incident occurred and they were asked to leave again?

Now who has a copycat recipe of the chicken sausage and bacon sandwich?

momi said:

So they were asked to leave but didn't, and then the restroom incident occurred and they were asked to leave again?

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2 different Starbucks in different cities. Not the same people at all

Kimbosheart said:

2 different Starbucks in different cities. Not the same people at all

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Oh okay - got it.

I have a way bigger issue with the way this was handled by the police. The police departments all over this country are the ones who keep habitually screwing up. They didn’t have to arrest these men because some dumb ass Starbucks employee called them. When and how can we start hitting these police departments where it hurts?[/QUOTE]

Improper Police response seems to be a reoccurring theme. Honestly, the manager has a right to call the Police if she felt there was a problem. However, the Police should have done a better job mitigating the situation. They should have allowed the gentlemen to remain inside and continue to wait for their friend. There is no crime in that. It happens ALL THE TIME. The Police then should have explained to the manager how no crime has been committed and why they (Police) will be leaving the premises without further action. Their job is not to appease citizens. Police are hired to uphold the law, equally and consistently. If no law was broken, which there wasn't, the Police should have moved on.

I'm not sure if your cities have council meetings where you address concerns with law enforcement, but that has been a great resource for my city. Our complaints are heard and we continue to attend the meetings and voice our concerns until we see results. If we are unable to get the outcome sought, we are at least told why and, often times, met with a compromise. Send letters to the Chief of Police, the Mayor, visit their offices, picket their offices - there are many things citizens can do to bring light to police harassment and injustice. We just have to stay on top of it and commit to it.

I too am a fan of hitting companies in the pocket when there is a wrong committed against their patrons. That does seem to be all they understand so why not boycott? Maybe not boycott for every little thing, it has it's purpose, but definitely speak out. It makes the offenders, and other companies, take notice of the behavior and prevent it from happening in the future.

The reports say the manager is no longer at this location. That implies that she’s still employed. I need direct clarification on that.

I’m glad to see the CEO acting swiftly on this matter and that he will be personally apologizing to the 2 victims. I understand they are going to conduct anti bias training for all 28,000 locations. We should hold them to that and monitor the progress.

In the meantime my ninja coffee bar at my house works wonderfully.

FemmeCreole said:

The reports say the manager is no longer at this location. That implies that she’s still employed. I need direct clarification on that.

I’m glad to see the CEO acting swiftly on this matter and that he will be personally apologizing to the 2 victims. I understand they are going to conduct anti bias training for all 28,000 locations. We should hold them to that and monitor the progress.

In the meantime my ninja coffee bar at my house works wonderfully.

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Yes, it’s on Twitter that she’s no longer at that location. I’m hoping someone will confirm which location she’s at.

I'm seeing she's no longer at the company.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philly-starbucks-manager-no-longer-103602432.html

If she just moved to another location she'll probably do the same thing there. I make my coffee at home anyway.

Again, the bigger issue here is the response by the police department, and how the police chief and Mayor are continuing to emphatically deny that there was any wrongdoing on the part of the officers. They are still saying this. They do this over and over again across this country. The police have a larger responsibility to treat citizens fairly and without acting on biases, than the local Starbucks manager.

Starbucks has fired the racist manager. The CEO has already met privately with the victims (hopefully the men will release a statement on how that went), the protesters need to move on down to city hall and demand some disciplinary actions for those officers.

ThirdEyeBeauty said:

Not necessary at all.

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1. Last summer, while walking down the street, I observed a black elder in the middle of a mental health crisis. She was yelling nonsensically on the sidewalk and appeared to be homeless. Some dumb white hipster wanted to call the police. I told him to call the Fire Department because when the police are called, black people end up dead. Especially if they are experiencing a mental health crisis. Look at Charlena Lyles. He looked all confused and conflicted so I called the FD. Not once did they suggest I call the police and I waited until they arrived. They took her to our public hospital. The white boy hung around, looking like he wanted to cry. I told him that she was no threat to anyone but possibly herself and in the future, his first response shouldn't be to call the police on people of color and frankly, he needs to interrogate why he wanted them called in the first place. What laws were broken, what crimes committed? Black people are not given the benefit of the doubt or equal protection under the law and as a result, our interactions with law enforcement can end up in arrest, brutality or death. I detest being a racial sherpa in any context for YT but in that moment, Hipster needed to understand how lethal his actions could have proved for that elder. Typically, when the police are called, bad things happen to black people. I'm glad I didn't just walk on by and called the FD. That manager was wrong to call Po-Po and the police, given their discretion for arrests were wrong for arresting these black men. Just trash all around.
2. The last I read, the manager was transferred to another store. I doubt this person will be fired because despite what Starbucks says, I believe they do have some policy on the books that will support the manager calling the police. And if SB fires them, it will be revealed and they can find themselves sued for wrongful termination.
3. I remember the glorious day when Black Twitter lit SB up for that "Race Together" crap they pulled. Talk about hilarity ensuing...by the time folk were done, Starbucks' timeline could only be identified by hair samples and dental records. It appears they've learned nothing.

LushLox said:

The money y’all spend on coffee you should just buy a good coffee maker if you don’t already have one. Yes the good ones are incredibly expensive but any coffee lover would soon recoup that initial outlay in the value of having decent coffee at home at your fingertips.

But I get it, half of the attractiveness of Starbucks et al is the on the go convenience.

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I don't frequen Starbucks, but I like the consistency of their products. when I go to my local bodega or anywhere else, while the coffee is good, it's not always on point. Messed up coffee is truly disappointing, esp first thing in the morning. Starbucks will re -do your drink if it doesn't come out right...which I haven't had to deal with in years.

Personally I'm conflicted since I feel like it was a "manager" issue. Then again, I feel like boycotting would make a bigger, louder statement, which is what we need right now...esp while whites are actively, openly doing their part.

I guess the question is "how do we make the most of the situation" since Starbucks is taking action?

Atthatday said:

Allegedly, the manager wasn’t fired, she was transferred.

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Figures. They stay taking care of their own...mostly all of the time.

C@ssandr@ said:

I don't frequen Starbucks, but I like the consistency of their products. when I go to my local bodega or anywhere else, while the coffee is good, it's not always on point. Messed up coffee is truly disappointing, esp first thing in the morning. Starbucks will re -do your drink if it doesn't come out right...which I haven't had to deal with in years.

Personally I'm conflicted since I feel like it was a "manager" issue. Then again, I feel like boycotting would make a bigger, louder statement, which is what we need right now...esp while whites are actively, openly doing their part.

I guess the question is "how do we make the most of the situation" since Starbucks is taking action?

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It was a manager issue, but she is still the responsibility of Starbucks and they are ultimately culpable as to who they employ.

People just need to make their own decisions. Some people will want to boycott and make a statement whereas others will still want to frequent Starbucks as before, both stances are fine as far as I'm concerned. People need to do what suits them and their own circumstances.

I'm not a big coffee drinker so this isn't really an issue for me, it will be very easy for me to boycott them. Although I do buy the occasional hot chocolate and sandwich. They're so dang expensive it'll be a pleasant relief on my wallet!

Atthatday said:

Every time I hear/read about discrimination. I wish we had our OWN establishments. I’m not implying that separation would eliminate discrimination, but I’m saying that it would be nice to show ‘em better than we could tell ‘em.

OTOH, the racists are showing us who they are, and until we can go Wakanda-style on them, put it to them where it hurts, the bottom line. I would settle for no less than a million.

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You speak nothing but the truth here!

JulietWhiskey said:

1. Last summer, while walking down the street, I observed a black elder in the middle of a mental health crisis. She was yelling nonsensically on the sidewalk and appeared to be homeless. Some dumb white hipster wanted to call the police. I told him to call the Fire Department because when the police are called, black people end up dead. Especially if they are experiencing a mental health crisis. Look at Charlena Lyles. He looked all confused and conflicted so I called the FD. Not once did they suggest I call the police and I waited until they arrived. They took her to our public hospital. The white boy hung around, looking like he wanted to cry. I told him that she was no threat to anyone but possibly herself and in the future, his first response shouldn't be to call the police on people of color and frankly, he needs to interrogate why he wanted them called in the first place. What laws were broken, what crimes committed? Black people are not given the benefit of the doubt or equal protection under the law and as a result, our interactions with law enforcement can end up in arrest, brutality or death. I detest being a racial sherpa in any context for YT but in that moment, Hipster needed to understand how lethal his actions could have proved for that elder. Typically, when the police are called, bad things happen to black people. I'm glad I didn't just walk on by and called the FD. That manager was wrong to call Po-Po and the police, given their discretion for arrests were wrong for arresting these black men. Just trash all around.
2. The last I read, the manager was transferred to another store. I doubt this person will be fired because despite what Starbucks says, I believe they do have some policy on the books that will support the manager calling the police. And if SB fires them, it will be revealed and they can find themselves sued for wrongful termination.
3. I remember the glorious day when Black Twitter lit SB up for that "Race Together" crap they pulled. Talk about hilarity ensuing...by the time folk were done, Starbucks' timeline could only be identified by hair samples and dental records. It appears they've learned nothing.

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Your gut let you know it was a teachable moment. Good for you. It wasn't for that YT person, but for her. White people are gonna white people. So if he learned something--good. But more importantly, you got her the help she needed.

Southernbella. said:

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Wasn't expecting that. Kevin is swift.

I'm satisfied with Starbucks response. And I agree that the manager may not be able to be fired depending on the specifics of her employment status and starbucks actual policy. I wish I could boycott the police because that is who really needs training and this whole entire thing could've been avoided had they been doing their job and assessed the situation.

I only went to Starbucks when I got gift cards for them.
Boycott is easy.

I don't look at boycotts as being about just one store or one incident. Do people think Starbucks would be doing all this apologizing and training if boycotts weren't happening/threatened? It also serves a larger purpose to show other companies that we won't accept this treatment while continuing to give them our money. I'm sure Coffee Bean, Dunkin Donuts or whatever other big chain coffee shops are reviewing their policies now. I stopped by a local coffee shop today and there was a new sign that all are welcome and that you only need to buy something if you're using the WiFi. These things that happen on a national level have the potential to trickle down.

Also, Starbucks should at least implement a discount taken at purchase for all black people

Kimbosheart said:

I'm satisfied with Starbucks response. And I agree that the manager may not be able to be fired depending on the specifics of her employment status and starbucks actual policy. I wish I could boycott the police because that is who really needs training and this whole entire thing could've been avoided had they been doing their job and assessed the situation.

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ABC News did report that she is no longer employed by the company. I’d really like a definitive answer about that. If PA is an at will employment state, they don’t even need a reason to let her go. It doesn’t matter if she followed policy or not. It would make no sense for them to try to hang on to her.

VeryBecoming said:

I don't look at boycotts as being about just one store or one incident. Do people think Starbucks would be doing all this apologizing and training if boycotts weren't happening/threatened? It also serves a larger purpose to show other companies that we won't accept this treatment and continue to give them our money. I'm sure Coffee Bean, Dunkin Donuts or whatever other big chain coffee shops are reviewing their policies now. I stopped by a local coffee shop today and there was a new sign that all our welcome and that you only need to buy something if you're using the WiFi. These things that happen on a national level have the potential to trickle down.

Also, Starbucks should at least implement a discount taken at purchase for all black people

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We’ve boycotted enough in the past for them to know that we will boycott if necessary, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessary every. single. time. We don’t have to do it just to show we can, they know at this point.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but this is never going to stop happening. As long as there are racist people in America, and they have jobs, someone is going to be racist while working. I’m more concerned with how these companies and businesses respond.

I didn't read this thread at all BUT I had to say I have peed in this very Starbucks NUMEROUS TIMES without buying anything. Also, Philadelphia police are dicks. Some of THEEE WORST. Surprised that it happened at this particular Starbucks, but not surprised a black cop was standing there when it happened.

I'm appreciating the hands-on approach Starbucks is taking.

ScorpioBeauty09 said:

Here's the video of the incident.

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This video sums it up. Some people just don't realize what they are doing because their discriminatory ways are subconscious and the same goes for the police. Most people here know damned well a police would try to get to the bottom asking all kind of questions to the person who called them if it was a white person (actually it would not have gotten to that level but let's say it did). They would not go to arrest mode in the average case with wp. Don't believe me? Go do some experiments with your white and black friends.

Theresamonet said:

We’ve boycotted enough in the past for them to know that we will boycott if necessary, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessary every. single. time. We don’t have to do it just to show we can, they know at this point.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but this is never going to stop happening. As long as there are racist people in America, and they have jobs, someone is going to be racist while working. I’m more concerned with how these companies and businesses respond.

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Unfortunately, this type of thing will never stop but we can always mess up people's pocketbooks. I have seen businesses closed (mom and pop) because they messed with the wrong black person. That's the kind of hurt racists need to feel at the very least. Remember you don't have to boycott everyplace. Sometimes that will not work out for you but let those who want to boycott do it for the team. There will be another opportunity to protest a place that you are willing and able to boycott.

Southernbella. said:

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Hmm...They are getting help from Eric Holder...

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5/29 is officially Dunkin donuts day. They better promote the heck outta themselves. too bad they arent petty like burger king