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Another Police Shooting (murder Of Atatiana Jefferson)

Laela

Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Thank you!

If one can own a handgun in Texas, it stands to reason that there is a chance a homeowner would have a gun. If a homeowner hears noises outside the house at night, that gun is coming with them while they investigate so this shouldn't be a surprise to police or anybody who didn't announce themselves. In certain places, it's shoot first, ask questions later.

I'm certain that this method of a 'wellness check' is not standard procedure and would never have gone down this way in a white neighborhood.
 

Southernbella.

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Crackers Phinn

Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
Welp...

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...h-officer-killed-her-nephew-told-authorities/


“The boy told a forensic interviewer that he and his aunt were playing video games together about 2:30 a.m. Saturday when she heard noises outside. She took her handgun from her purse and pointed it “toward the window” before she was shot, the nephew said, according to the arrest-warrant affidavit.”
This is going to be the basis of the cops defense. Of course, all of this could have been avoided if the police would have announced and identified themselves.
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There has been a call to have more black women learn how to shoot guns and while that is a good thing, secondary courses in tactical self defense are also necessary because 1.) other people know how to shoot too and they may be better at it than you and 2.) people who don't use guns regularly can get over confident that the gun alone will scare the threat off.

Whether you have a gun or not, if you think somebody is trying to break into your house, you get your back against a solid wall where you have a clear line of sight to all entrances to the room you're in and don't you dare announce that you have a gun. You call or text 911, whichever is safest to do and leave the phone on so they can hear what's going on. Do not engage the intruder unless you have to. You don't know how many people are coming in, how crazy they are and what they are carrying.

Standing in front of a window, with your gun pointed into the dark just lets the other person with a gun know where to point theirs and fire, which is what happened. It shouldn't have happened because the cop should have announced himself but even if this was some random home invasion situation, same rules apply.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
How do we know the boy wasn't coerced or tricked or confused into saying that tho?

Even it is true, like everyone said, a woman living alone hearing noises outside and who owns a gun, would rightly get the gun.

I hope they keep the heat on demanding answers on why were they there in the first place, why did they go at odd hour, why didn't they announce themselves? Did they know she was single and living with a child? If no, why not? What was the reason for the wellness check?

It sounds like they had absolutely no reason to approach her house in thst manner.
 

Farida

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But isn't TX a stand your ground state? They already have it on video that he never identified himself as the police.
I don’t think he will get off. Castle doctrine. She was in her own home and entitled to use deadly force. He didn’t identify himself and was prowling outside her home. I thought Amber Guyger was going to get off until she got on the stand and told on herself. There’s a lot more here.
 

Farida

Well-Known Member
So he's gonna get off.
Not based on that alone...she was in her own abode and he didn’t announce himself. Homeowners get broad privileges to protect themselves. Which is why for example that one guy who shot his son-in-law in FL isn’t even facing charges. Opened the door and shot dude who was trying to surprise him.

There are so many crazy cases where homeowners have pretty much murdered folks and gotten off because of castle doctrine. I think of the Oscar Pistorius case and cannot help but believe if he had done what he did in the states he would have gotten off.
 

dancinstallion

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This is scary, sad, disheartening and pure evil. May she rest in peace. Her home was supposed to be her safe haven.

That neighbor should be ashamed of himself. Dh asked why didn't the neighbor go and knock on the door? Why was the neighbor so concerned about her well being at the time. People cant keep their back doors open and chill in peace?

The cop was trespassing. He needs life in jail.
 
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Theresamonet

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This is scary, sad, disheartening and pure evil. May she rest in peace. Her home was supposed to be her safe haven.

That neighbor should be ashamed of himself. Dh asked why didn't the neighbor go and know on the door? Why was the neighbor so concerned about her well being at the time. People cant keep their back doors open?

The cop was trespassing. He needs life in jail.

I can’t think of any ill intent he could have had when calling them. I think he was truly trying to be helpful. But lights on and a door open (screen door was closed), doesn’t seem like something to call for a wellness check for. There’s a fine line between being a good vigilant neighbor and being a busy body neighbor. I think he may have crossed that line. Even if no one had died, I wouldn’t appreciate the police showing up at my house cause I’m trying to get some fresh air. I also feel as a black man his age, he should know better.
 

IslandMummy

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This is scary, sad, disheartening and pure evil. May she rest in peace. Her home was supposed to be her safe haven.

That neighbor should be ashamed of himself. Dh asked why didn't the neighbor go and know on the door? Why was the neighbor so concerned about her well being at the time. People cant keep their back doors open?

The cop was trespassing. He needs life in jail.
It was 2am in the morning, his niece called and alerted him that Atatiana’s door was left open which was unusual for her. He went and knocked on the door and got no response. After he did all of that he contacted non emergency services and asked for a wellness check. They sent Rambo instead.

He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of but I guarantee he’s going to feel more guilt about her death than the cop.
 

OhTall1

Well-Known Member
It was 2am in the morning, his niece called and alerted him that Atatiana’s door was left open which was unusual for her. He went and knocked on the door and got no response. After he did all of that he contacted non emergency services and asked for a wellness check. They sent Rambo instead.

He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of but I guarantee he’s going to feel more guilt about her death than the cop.
Yeah, I dislike that somehow people are thinking the neighbor was in the wrong for calling for the wellness check. He saw something out of the ordinary and expected the police to send a trained professional, not an assassin, to assess the situation.
 

Farida

Well-Known Member
But yeah...folks should not give statements all will
Yeah, I dislike that somehow people are thinking the neighbor was in the wrong for calling for the wellness check. He saw something out of the ordinary and expected the police to send a trained professional, not an assassin, to assess the situation.
yeah, I have seen so many people saying negative things about the neighbor’s actions. I don’t think the neighbor was wrong, especially at 2 am. I am not about to go check on my neighbor’s suspicious activity at 2 am. And in most places welfare checks do not end in death. The cops usually knock and announce themselves. They usually wait for the person to open the door. This is victim-blaming at its finest. He didn’t know this is how they’d respond. The fact that they were going to fire him shows they know he broke protocol. I am just waiting to hear why the other cop on the call thought this was the way to respond.
 

IslandMummy

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I dislike that somehow people are thinking the neighbor was in the wrong for calling for the wellness check. He saw something out of the ordinary and expected the police to send a trained professional, not an assassin, to assess the situation.

I find it extremely distasteful. This man looks at least 55+ and is in no way capable of being a superhero if it had been a robbery in progress.

when I worked the overnight shifts at a hotel I had non emergency on speed dial because they sent officers who knew that it wasn’t an escalated situation but their help was needed. This cop needs a bullet in his eye because this is purely his fault. Not a 55 -60 year old senior citizen trying to do the right thing.
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
But isn't TX a stand your ground state? They already have it on video that he never identified himself as the police.

Not based on that alone...she was in her own abode and he didn’t announce himself. Homeowners get broad privileges to protect themselves. Which is why for example that one guy who shot his son-in-law in FL isn’t even facing charges. Opened the door and shot dude who was trying to surprise him.

There are so many crazy cases where homeowners have pretty much murdered folks and gotten off because of castle doctrine. I think of the Oscar Pistorius case and cannot help but believe if he had done what he did in the states he would have gotten off.

I hope y'all are right. If she was white, I'd be optimistic.
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I dislike that somehow people are thinking the neighbor was in the wrong for calling for the wellness check. He saw something out of the ordinary and expected the police to send a trained professional, not an assassin, to assess the situation.

Agreed. Not every black person has a NO POLICE EVER! mentality. I get why some do because of bad experiences in their communities but if you live in a quiet neighborhood without much trouble and don't come into contact with police regularly, you likely still view them as the people you call when there's trouble. I've never lived in a neighborhood where I felt I couldn't or shouldn't call them. Perhaps that's naive...
 

Southernbella.

Well-Known Member
Not based on that alone...she was in her own abode and he didn’t announce himself. Homeowners get broad privileges to protect themselves. Which is why for example that one guy who shot his son-in-law in FL isn’t even facing charges. Opened the door and shot dude who was trying to surprise him.

There are so many crazy cases where homeowners have pretty much murdered folks and gotten off because of castle doctrine. I think of the Oscar Pistorius case and cannot help but believe if he had done what he did in the states he would have gotten off.

Are any of these people black?
 

dancinstallion

Well-Known Member
It was 2am in the morning, his niece called and alerted him that Atatiana’s door was left open which was unusual for her. He went and knocked on the door and got no response. After he did all of that he contacted non emergency services and asked for a wellness check. They sent Rambo instead.

He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of but I guarantee he’s going to feel more guilt about her death than the cop.

Ok this makes a little more sense.
But the neighbor should feel guilty though. He is partly to blame for calling the cops because his neighbor has her door open at 2am.
This could happen to any of us because we have a nosy neighbor that sees my(back) door open and wants to know why.

I can understand if he saw some signs of a commotion or something. But not just leaving the door open with the screen locked.

The cop and the neighbor have blood on their hands. The only real victims are the deceased and her loved ones.
 

FelaShrine

Well-Known Member
Ok this makes a little more sense.
But the neighbor should feel guilty though. He is partly to blame for calling the cops because his neighbor has her door open at 2am.
This could happen to any of us because we have a nosy neighbor that sees my(back) door open and wants to know why.

I can understand if he saw some signs of a commotion or something. But not just leaving the door open with the screen locked.

The cop and the neighbor have blood on their hands. The only real victims are the deceased and her loved ones.

No he shouldnt. Yall g on about how the community doesnt care about the other anymore :blah: :blah: yet he cared enough to notice something happened that normally doesnt. ONCE AGAIN he called NON EMERGENCY, the fact they sent some trigger happy fool is not on him. All he wanted to do is make sure someone in his neighborhood was ok, period.

He most definitely does feel guilty but this implication that he should and he caused her death is callous nonsense.
 

OhTall1

Well-Known Member
No he shouldnt. Yall g on about how the community doesnt care about the other anymore :blah: :blah: yet he cared enough to notice something happened that normally doesnt. ONCE AGAIN he called NON EMERGENCY, the fact they sent some trigger happy fool is not on him. All he wanted to do is make sure someone in his neighborhood was ok, period.
Right. If you've lived in the neighborhood long enough to know that Mz Johnson across the street has her lights off and doors are locked up tighter than a bank vault every night at 10, and you walk past and see an open door and lights on at 2:45 in the morning, taking note or being concerned doesn't make you nosy.
 
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oneastrocurlie

Well-Known Member
Ok this makes a little more sense.
But the neighbor should feel guilty though. He is partly to blame for calling the cops because his neighbor has her door open at 2am.
This could happen to any of us because we have a nosy neighbor that sees my(back) door open and wants to know why.

I can understand if he saw some signs of a commotion or something. But not just leaving the door open with the screen locked.

The cop and the neighbor have blood on their hands. The only real victims are the deceased and her loved ones.

Many robberies and assaults happen in the middle of the night when no one heard anything.

Or what about a medical emergency? Heart attack, allergic reaction, CO2 poisoning.

The worse case should have been a cop briefly interrupted whatever she was doing in her own home. Not her being killed.
 

free2bme

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Why are people taking stock in the statement of a traumatized 8 year old? In most instances children must be interviewed to see if they are capable of providing sound testimony. Kids make stuff up, it's part and parcel of being a child. God help anyone who is relying on the testimony of my 11 year old son! For him 5 minutes, 5 hours, are all the same on the time/space continuum!

If that cop (aka assassin) thinks he will hang his defense on the testimony of this child that just lost his aunt, he should think again.
 

Reinventing21

Spreading my wings
Plus the neighbor probably knew the young boy lived with her. The neighbor is not at fault at all in this. Now that I finally know why a wellness check was called in, it makes sense.

If something horrible had happened to her and the boy, and the neighbor had done nothing, then...you know the rest.

This is the fault of the cop with his likely preconceived racist perceptions of what he thought he was up against. He should never have been a cop or at least should have worked in an all white neighborhood.
 
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