Boycotting Church

blazingthru

blazingthru

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so our music minstry is all messed up right now, we got praise singers or whatever you call it that cannot sing but we value the heart that wants to serve and we have great wonderful choirs but................... None of them are singing because someone in the church is causing a rift. So other members of the choirs are boycotting the church. I haven't been to service for a while, been living here and there due to some damage to my house and so I am finally back to service regulary and I was trying to figure out what is going on and I hear some members or boycotting and I was shocked. Shocked, why would any member boycott their service. I am so confused by the hearts of these people there should be a meeting and everything should come out in the opening. So of course I am getting ready to make some phone calls and find out whats going on and see if there can be a church wide meeting.

What is so off is we were discussing unity in the church and here it is black and white people are not coming because of the music, for real? i had a member strut because we have two service, which I do not like, and the morning service is all hyms and nothing but hymns and she is so happy and will do her best to make sure all of services is like that and my opinion is she needs to move on.

As a member of service would you sit back and say nothing or do you think that this should be address, also what do you think about boycotting in the lords house.
 
blazingthru said:
As a member of service would you sit back and say nothing or do you think that this should be address, also what do you think about boycotting in the lords house.
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The Apostle Paul had to address this and he simply told them to stop the foolishness and to move on with the Lord's business. So boycotting in the House of the Lord is not acceptable.

We can even take this back to Moses when Miriam and Aaron wanted to rise up and cause a rift, the result was God called them aside and Miriam became leperous until she got her act together.

What happening here is a battle of the 'wills' and the play for power

Instead of this foolishness, the Pastor needs to put an end to it and set the order of the House according to God's vision that has been given to him, if indeed God has given him a vision.

Bottomline, if people don't like what's happening then leave. Just leave and allow God to place them where they belong. For them to behave like this is grieving to the Holy Spirit and downright silly and unnecessary.

ETA: Just read your post again for clarity.... This is not a Church. It's a circus.
 
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Um yea thats foolishness..If a problem arises and there is a disagreement, then the church needs to call a fast and go into prayer to get answers and solutions from God. Abandoning the problem dont solve it. :nono: only make it worse. And the Pastor needs to address his flock immediately because the bible says a house divided against itself cant stand. It sounds like alot of "fleshiness" going on and no one is referring to the word of God.

And about the people not being able sing, thats crazy. We have some people that can't sing all that well, but the anointing be so thick on them that you cant even tell...lol..:lachen:i know it sounds crazy but im serious...


People nit pick some many things it ridiculous.....


I would bring this issue to may Pastor, and if he isnt addressing it, I would began seeking God on another church ASAP!


How long has this been going on???
 
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If i'm understand the original post correctly, this sounds like something that happened in my church. We had a huge issue come up with the Minister of music. He was unfairly terminated. There was a huge church meeting and I saw a side of the deacons and pastor that left a very bad taste in my mouth. Not to mention that in the process our choir had to go through numerous interim directors. Even now they don't have a permanent director. I finally left the choir because i didn't like how things were being handled. Even now i go to that church sparingly because the things I saw bothered me. So to answer the question, I don't see it as a boycott, but I think that if the members are unhappy it should be addressed. I think too often we are made to feel that we should ignore unpleasant things and just suck it up and continue going to church to "defeat satan." I get the sentiment behind that, but I also think that means too many bad things go unchecked. And the purpose of church is to provide fellowship. If members are feeling some kind of way, an effort should be made to work things out to bring them back into the fold.
 
Alicialynn86 said:
Um yea thats foolishness..If a problem arises and there is a disagreement, then the church needs to call a fast and go into prayer to get answers and solutions from God. Abandoning the problem dont solve it. :nono: only make it worse. And the Pastor needs to address his flock immediately because the bible says a house divided against itself cant stand. It sounds like alot of "fleshiness" going on and no one is referring to the word of God.

And about the people not being able sing, thats crazy. We have some people that can't sing all that well, but the anointing be so thick on them that you cant even tell...lol..:lachen:i know it sounds crazy but im serious...


People nit pick some many things it ridiculous.....


I would bring this issue to may Pastor, and if he isnt addressing it, I would began seeking God on another church ASAP!


How long has this been going on???
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Well I was on vacation in August and I was coming sporidically in September and the fire was in september and so I missed about a little more then two months but I was coming here and there when I could.

This past weekend I was like this is the second week the "praise singers" was up there and it just didn't sound like it should and who were all those people and I was like oh okay what is going on around here and I overheard that the members and leaders of the choirs are boycotting and I was literally stunned. Pastor pulled me to the side to ask me what was going on with me, that I wasn't myself lately true, You'll just don't know what a sister been through, but anywhoo I was a little upset that I was looking like what I was dealing with I thought I looked fine. I guess not but I didn't get a chance to ask him what was going on up in there because I didn't have my finger on it at the time. Since we have two services now I thought that was the disconnect, but I heard otherwise and I been trying to reach people to find out the real truth and then I was bringing it to pastors attention. so I really do not know how long this has been going on. I hope they get it together.
 
WHY is it usually the Music Ministry that's at the center of discord at churches? (I'm speaking from experience here)... :scratchch:

So ... the church services suffer from praise and worship all because Brother Deacon George didn't get to sing his solo and because he didn't get to sing his solo, he took most of the instruments for the band with him to prove a point. Since it's also HIS keyboard..the 'band' is now unplugged and is one drum set with no player..only the bass guitarist and 2 singers are left (because Sister Priscilla is Brother Deacon's George's wife, Sister Rebekkah is his sister and they were the sopranos; Brother Jeremy, who is bass, is his brother-in-law and needs to get his car fixed (since Brother Deacon George is also his mechanic and he doesn't want to make him mad :lol: ); the two little girls who ushers belong to Brother Deacon George; Sister Rudy is his accountant and an usher and empathized with Brother Deacon George about that solo...

it only takes ONE.
 
Ya'll know that the area of 'Worship' is where the enemy is going to attack!

"But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him." John 4:23

Now is the time for everyone being on their faces and seek out the Father for direction. If the members keep their eyes on the people and what they are NOT doing, it gives the enemy power to bring destruction in the church by division in the body.

My advice....keep your eyes on the One....for He is the Prize!
 
Laela said:
WHY is it usually the Music Ministry that's at the center of discord at churches? (I'm speaking from experience here)... :scratchch:

So ... the church services suffer from praise and worship all because Brother Deacon George didn't get to sing his solo and because he didn't get to sing his solo, he took most of the instruments for the band with him to prove a point. Since it's also HIS keyboard..the 'band' is now unplugged and is one drum set with no player..only the bass guitarist and 2 singers are left (because Sister Priscilla is Brother Deacon's George's wife, Sister Rebekkah is his sister and they were the sopranos; Brother Jeremy, who is bass, is his brother-in-law and needs to get his car fixed (since Brother Deacon George is also his mechanic and he doesn't want to make him mad :lol: ); the two little girls who ushers belong to Brother Deacon George; Sister Rudy is his accountant and an usher and empathized with Brother Deacon George about that solo...

it only takes ONE.
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It's all about vanity; who gets seen and heard the most. The spirit of worship is not prevalent, the flesh however is indeed the ruler here.

It's more about 'Showtime at the Apollo' and not Worship unto Adonai, our Heavenly Father.

Let's be real, most (not ALL) but most who join the choir want to be choir superstars. They brag about being on the 'Quar' sanging for 'Gee' sus', sanging for the Lawd. When this spirit is not satisfied, it riles up and the spirit of envy, competition, strife occurs.

Now what they need to be is each of them 'SAT DOWN'. Nobody sings. Get the strife and conflict out of their hearts and then and only then can they be reinstated in the Ministry of Worship.

Jesus made it plain that when one has an ought with their brother (sister), that they are to take their gift and go and forgive that person and then come back to bring their gifts until the Altar in order for God to receive it.

No one can return with their gift of singing until their hearts have been 'PROVEN' as forgiven. And this does not happen in a day or a month. It takes true repentence and living before God with a loving heart and then and only then can they return to sing.

All of which Nice & Wavy has shared in her post which is the truth.
 
Shimmie said:
It's more about 'Showtime at the Apollo' and not Worship unto Adonai, our Heavenly Father.

Let's be real, most (not ALL) but most who join the choir want to be choir superstars.
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You're ignoring that other elephant in the room about why there tends to be so much "mess" within the music ministry. I know I'm not the only one thinking it...
 
I agree Shimmie, SOME people no longer want God to get the glory but them. But God said He will not give his glory to another!! No sir..

At my church, you cant just be in the chior and or praise team or any position until leadership feels you are ready to be in that place. That you are living a life according to the word of God. We have to make sure our sacrifices our pure that we are offering up to God. Some people at their churches may wonder why there is no anointing or the power of God isnt moving there, it because the people who are offering up the sacrifices are not clean before God. I'm not saying everyone has to be perfect for God to receive the praise but it needs to be them of a willing and sincere heart.At my church it's not based on who been there the longest, who can sing the best, who has the best speech but its about who is the most dedicated to God, who is dying out to themselves, who has alliegance and devotion to God.

Yes, Sister Betty Jane sounds like yolanda Adams when she sings, but if there is blatant(she not trying to get it right) strife and envy, she needs to be sat down :look:

Sometimes we want to be example to the world but we got to start in our house(Churchhouse), being that example. People are only going to do what they see the Pastor let people get away with doing.


My chior director always tells us in rehearsal "I dont care if we got 10 people in this chior, I would rather have 10 with the anoniting who have wanna be here than 50 with no anointing who dont wanna be here"

The anointing comes through obedience and lifestyle.
 
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Sensing is not so much a 'look ' it's a discerning by the spirit so I'm sure you looked fine, but when you are sensitive to the voice of the spirit you are more aware ...

blazingthru said:
Well I was on vacation in August and I was coming sporidically in September and the fire was in september and so I missed about a little more then two months but I was coming here and there when I could.

This past weekend I was like this is the second week the "praise singers" was up there and it just didn't sound like it should and who were all those people and I was like oh okay what is going on around here and I overheard that the members and leaders of the choirs are boycotting and I was literally stunned. Pastor pulled me to the side to ask me what was going on with me, that I wasn't myself lately true, You'll just don't know what a sister been through, but anywhoo I was a little upset that I was looking like what I was dealing with I thought I looked fine. I guess not but I didn't get a chance to ask him what was going on up in there because I didn't have my finger on it at the time. Since we have two services now I thought that was the disconnect, but I heard otherwise and I been trying to reach people to find out the real truth and then I was bringing it to pastors attention. so I really do not know how long this has been going on. I hope they get it together.
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they shouldn't be deterred the word says where ever or three are gathered ...making a joyful noise does not depend on the lead singer or the piano infact it don't depend on instruments just voices and they don't have to be in key to be joyful...:grin:


Laela said:
WHY is it usually the Music Ministry that's at the center of discord at churches? (I'm speaking from experience here)... :scratchch:

So ... the church services suffer from praise and worship all because Brother Deacon George didn't get to sing his solo and because he didn't get to sing his solo, he took most of the instruments for the band with him to prove a point. Since it's also HIS keyboard..the 'band' is now unplugged and is one drum set with no player..only the bass guitarist and 2 singers are left (because Sister Priscilla is Brother Deacon's George's wife, Sister Rebekkah is his sister and they were the sopranos; Brother Jeremy, who is bass, is his brother-in-law and needs to get his car fixed (since Brother Deacon George is also his mechanic and he doesn't want to make him mad :lol: ); the two little girls who ushers belong to Brother Deacon George; Sister Rudy is his accountant and an usher and empathized with Brother Deacon George about that solo...

it only takes ONE.
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This still goes back to the head, sometimes we depend on people because they have certain 'talents', we allow them to have 'free rein' knowing that they may not be living up to the mark because they can do a particular thing well and at the same time these people destroying the church.

If the leader of the congregation 'senses' something it's up to him to fix it as he has to give an account at the end of the day for every soul in his care ...

At my church my pastor will stop the music if something doesn't sound right by the spirit and begin rooting up casting down bind up rebuking etc., but some leaders are too afraid to do this less they offend Deacon George, Sister Priscilla or Brother Jeremy because they don't want them to leave the church and take their drums, piano and bass guitar...

Laela I burrowed some of your people's fictious names and musical instruments, lol
 
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Amen and Hallelujah...sounds like my church

Alicialynn86 said:
I agree Shimmie, SOME people no longer want God to get the glory but them. But God said He will not give his glory to another!! No sir..

At my church, you cant just be in the chior and or praise team or any position until leadership feels you are ready to be in that place. That you are living a life according to the word of God. We have to make sure our sacrifices our pure that we are offering up to God. Some people at their churches may wonder why there is no anointing or the power of God isnt moving there, it because the people who are offering up the sacrifices are not clean before God. I'm not saying everyone has to be perfect for God to receive the praise but it needs to be them of a willing and sincere heart.At my church it's not based on who been there the longest, who can sing the best, who has the best speech but its about who is the most dedicated to God, who is dying out to themselves, who has alliegance and devotion to God.

Yes, Sister Betty Jane sounds like yolanda Adams when she sings, but if there is blatant(she not trying to get it right) strife and envy, she needs to be sat down :look:

Sometimes we want to be example to the world but we got to start in our house(Churchhouse), being that example. People are only going to do what they see the Pastor let people get away with doing.


My chior director always tells us in rehearsal "I dont care if we got 10 people in this chior, I would rather have 10 with the anoniting who have wanna be here than 50 with no anointing who dont wanna be here"

The anointing comes through obedience and lifestyle.
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That was a rhetorical question..lol.... but oh yes....
Music brings harmony... if there is no harmony, there is no balance. God is a God of balance.... those who have the abiity to discern the Enemy's attempts to sow discord in their church will do what is required of them to keep it from happening or even thriving.

Nice & Wavy said:
Ya'll know that the area of 'Worship' is where the enemy is going to attack!

"But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him." John 4:23

Now is the time for everyone being on their faces and seek out the Father for direction. If the members keep their eyes on the people and what they are NOT doing, it gives the enemy power to bring destruction in the church by division in the body.

My advice....keep your eyes on the One....for He is the Prize!
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ITA... been there... some of us know how to sing acapulco :lol: Glorrrrraaay!!!!


Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
they shouldn't be deterred the word says where ever or three are gathered ...making a joyful noise does not depend on the lead singer or the piano infact it don't depend on instruments just voices and they don't have to be in key to be joyful...:grin:
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Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
If the leader of the congregation 'senses' something it's up to him to fix it as he has to give an account at the end of the day for every soul in his care ...

At my church my pastor will stop the music if something doesn't sound right by the spirit and begin rooting up casting down bind up rebuking etc., but some leaders are too afraid to do this less they offend Deacon George, Sister Priscilla or Brother Jeremy because they don't want them to leave the church and take their drums, piano and bass guitar...
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The only issue with that is that I have seen it get out of hand and out of order. Even if you are operating in discernment and the Spirit, there should still be order.
 
ITA and this happens when there is no respect for authority ...however, if the person who is in authority life is out of order and he is not living up to what the word says he/she will still have my respect in my approach and my response but I will be praying for God to direct me to another church...


nathansgirl1908 said:
The only issue with that is that I have seen it get out of hand and out of order. Even if you are operating in discernment and the Spirit, there should still be order.
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:yep::yep:
Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
This still goes back to the head, sometimes we depend on people because they have certain 'talents', we allow them to have 'free rein' knowing that they may not be living up to the mark because they can do a particular thing well and at the same time these people destroying the church.

If the leader of the congregation 'senses' something it's up to him to fix it as he has to give an account at the end of the day for every soul in his care ...
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My pastor did that once.... told them they'd been out of tune the whole service and I know he wasn't talking notes and clefts... :yep:

Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
At my church my pastor will stop the music if something doesn't sound right by the spirit and begin rooting up casting down bind up rebuking etc., but some leaders are too afraid to do this less they offend Deacon George, Sister Priscilla or Brother Jeremy because they don't want them to leave the church and take their drums, piano and bass guitar...
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:lachen::lol: They are in every church.. lol
Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
Laela I burrowed some of your people's fictious names and musical instruments, lol
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blazingthru said:
so our music minstry is all messed up right now, we got praise singers or whatever you call it that cannot sing but we value the heart that wants to serve and we have great wonderful choirs but................... None of them are singing because someone in the church is causing a rift. So other members of the choirs are boycotting the church. I haven't been to service for a while, been living here and there due to some damage to my house and so I am finally back to service regulary and I was trying to figure out what is going on and I hear some members or boycotting and I was shocked. Shocked, why would any member boycott their service. I am so confused by the hearts of these people there should be a meeting and everything should come out in the opening. So of course I am getting ready to make some phone calls and find out whats going on and see if there can be a church wide meeting.

What is so off is we were discussing unity in the church and here it is black and white people are not coming because of the music, for real? i had a member strut because we have two service, which I do not like, and the morning service is all hyms and nothing but hymns and she is so happy and will do her best to make sure all of services is like that and my opinion is she needs to move on.

As a member of service would you sit back and say nothing or do you think that this should be address, also what do you think about boycotting in the lords house.
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Give a copy of the book, "Ten Stupid Things that Keep Churches from Growing" by Geoff Suratt to the pastor and take 2 steps back. You yourself can sample the book on Amazon Kindle. I tried to broach the subject to my pastor, but people sometimes like rose glasses.

ETA: See. This is y I don't go to church at all.

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^^God's Church will always grow, JeterCrazed... We see growth sometimes as sheer numbers and not true development for what it is. God is still working, moving in His Church... He will finish what He has started. ITA and understand there is 'churchianity' in America. But that is not a valid excuse to choose not to fellowship with other Believers.

ALICIALYNN, I'm listening to it now and this stands out for me:

I will tell you what the problem is. Pastors and preachers don’t know what the Church is. I want you to know that the Church of Jesus Christ in America is beautiful. She is frail at times. She is weak. She is buffeted. She is not perfect, but I want you to know she is broken. She is humbly walking with her God. The problem with you is you don’t know what the Church is.

Today because of the lack of biblical preaching the so called Church is filled up with carnal, wicked people identified with Christianity. And then because of all the goats in the midst of the lambs, the lambs are blamed for all the things the goats are doing and then the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of us. - PAUL WASHER
 
JeterCrazed said:
Give a copy of the book, "Ten Stupid Things that Keep Churches from Growing" by Geoff Suratt to the pastor

and take 2 steps back.

You yourself can sample the book on Amazon Kindle. I tried to broach the subject to my pastor, but people sometimes like rose glasses.

ETA: See. This is y I don't go to church at all.

Sent from my HTC Inspire™
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@ the bolded... :lol: It simply made me smile.

Don't let one Church's mistake keep you away from the blessings of being in the presence of the House of God.

There are so many wonderful Ministries and Churches. Don't let one, or even two or ten, stop the blessings of the Lord's House from reaching you. :yep:
 
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