God's Law is Eternal

[blazingthru]

Psalm 1:1-3 Our meditation all the day long.
Psalm 19:7-8 The law of God is perfect converting the soul.
Psalm 40:8 God's law is a delight within our heart.
Psalm 78:1-7 The Ten Commandments are for His people.
Psalm 111:7,8 The eternal law of God.
Psalm 103:18-20 The angels keep the commandments of God.
Psalm 105:8-10 The Ten Commandments are binding for 20,000 years [Until 19,000 AD].
Psalm 119:126,150 God will destroy the lawless ones.
Psalm 119:105 The law is our guide and lamp.
Psalm 119:165,174 It is our peace and delight.
Isaiah 8:16 God will seal the law among His disciples.
Isaiah 8:20 The commandments are a test of truth and error.
Isaiah 66:22-24 The Sabbath will be kept in heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19 Jesus came to uphold the Ten Commandments - not abolish them.
Matthew 19:17-19 Keep the Ten Commandments to enter heaven Jesus said.
John 14:15 If you love Jesus keep the Commandments.
John 15:10 Jesus is our example and He kept the law of God.
Luke 23:56 The Sabbath commandment still existed after Jesus died on the cross.
Romans 2:13 The doers of the law are justified.
Romans 3:20 The law gives a knowledge of right and wrong.
Romans 3:31 We establish the law.
Romans 4:15 Sin is the breaking of the law.
Romans 5:13 Sin is the breaking of the law.
Romans 7:7 Sin is the breaking of the law.
Romans 7:12 The law is holy, just and good.
Romans 7:25 The true Christian serves the law of God.
Romans 8:1-4 The true Christian obeys the righteous law of God.
Romans 8:7 The evil mind rejects keeping the commandments of God.
Romans 13:8-10 True love is obeying the law of God.
1 Corinthians 7:19 Keeping the Commandments is what really matters.
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Jesus gave the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai.
1 Timothy 1:8 The Ten Commandment Law is good in Paul's day.
Hebrews 4:4,9 The Sabbath rest remains on the seventh day.
Hebrews 8:8-10 Keeping the Ten Commandment Law is part of the New Covenant.
James 1:25 Those who keep the perfect Law are blessed by God in what they do.
James 2:8 - 12 We will be judged by the Ten Commandments [Revelation 20:11-15].
1 John 2:3,4 We must keep the Commandments to know Jesus.
1 John 3:22,24 We must keep the Commandments to abide in Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
1 John 5:2,3 The love of God is to keep His Commandments.
Revelation 11:19 The Ark of the Ten Commandment Covenant still in heaven.
Revelation 15:5 The Ark of the Ten Commandment Covenant still in heaven.
Revelation 12:17 God's saints keep the commandments.
Revelation 14:12 God's saints keep the commandments.
Revelation 21:8 Commandment breakers cast into the Lake of Fire.
Revelation 22:14 God's saints keep the commandments.​

Revelation 22:15 Lawless people are excluded from the Paradise of God.

 

[cheetarah1980]

So is this thread offered as proof of just the 7th day Sabbath or is this applying to all aspects of the Law that can still be adhered to today (obviously some things cannot be done as we have no clue what they meant or because of the lack of Temple and Levitical priesthood)?

 

[blazingthru]

So is this thread offered as proof of just the 7th day Sabbath or is this applying to all aspects of the Law that can still be adhered to today (obviously some things cannot be done as we have no clue what they meant or because of the lack of Temple and Levitical priesthood)?

We are to keep the ten commandment Laws- not moses ceremonial laws.

 

[divya]

Amen!

I love Psalm 19:7-10...especially in song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWb7sghfmb8

 

[cheetarah1980]

We are to keep the ten commandment Laws- not moses ceremonial laws.

What's deemed ceremonial? The law of Moses is summarized in the 10 which can be summarized in the 2 greatest commands. Are we NOT to keep the other Sabbaths or are they just optional (i.e. it doesn't matter if we do or don't). Why?

 

[blazingthru]

The truth is that there are numerous references in the Bible which prove that the law of types and shadows, because of its temporary application, was never considered on an equality with the eternal moral law. Its system of sacrifices, human priesthood and feast days were instituted after sin entered the world and always pointed forward to the deliverance from sin which would be wrought through the true Lamb and Priest who was to come—Jesus - these are not my words these or words I took out of a magazine.

Are Gods law and Moses law the same?

No, they are not the same. Study the following notes and comparison carefully.
Moses law contained the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meant and drink offerings, etc.. All of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the seed shall come,” and that seed was Christ Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses Law pointed forward to Christ sacrifice. When he died this law came to an end. But the Ten Commandments (God Law) “stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:8)

 

[blazingthru]

Moses Law
Called the Law of Moses Luke 2:22
Called Law contained ordianances Ephesian 2:15
Written by Moses in a book 2 Chronicles 35:12
Placed in the side of Ark Deuteronomy 31:26
Ended at the cross Ephesians 2:15
Added because of sin Galatians 3:19
Contrary to us and against us Colossians 2:14
Judge no one Colossian 2:14-16
Carnal Hebrews 7:16
Made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19
God Law
Called the Law of the Lord Isaiah 5:24
Called the Royal Law James 2:8
Written by God on stone Exodus 31:18, 32:16
Placed inside the ark Exodus 40:20
Will stand forever Luke 16:17
Points out sin Romans 7:7, 3:20
Not grievous 1 John 5:3
Judges all People James2:10-12
spiritually Roman 7:14
Perfect Psalms 19:7

We are to the honor the sabbath forever. Not man's sabbaths days. This is different from the sabbath given to us by God. He gave us the 7th Day sabbath to keep holy forever. I got all of this from my lesson. I am still learning but I am completely convince that this is the truth. You can get all this information as well from various websites. Or not-- just go over the scriptures. This is what I did I gathered the scriptures and read them before I did the actually lesson. these lessons are online.

 

[blazingthru]

Doesn’t 2 Corinthians 3:7 teach that the law written and engraved in stone “was to be done away”?No. The passage says that the “glory” of Moses ministration of the law was to be done away, but not the law. Read the whole passage of 2 Corinthian 3:3-9 again carefully, The subject is not the doing away with the Law or its establishment, but rather the change of the location of the law from the tables of stone to the tables of the heart. Under Moses ministration of the Law was on stone. Under the Holy Spirit’s ministration, through Christ, the law is written upon the heart (Hebrew 8:10) A rule posted on a school bulletin board become effective only when it enters a student’s heart. Christ ministration of the Law is effective because He transfers the law to the heart of the Christian. Then keeping the law becomes a delight and a joyful way of living because the Christian has true love for both God and man. this is also from my lesson. title Written in Stone.

 

[topsyturvy86]

Out of curiousity .... quick question:

What is you interpretation of Galatians 3:19 - 25? and also Galatians 5:18?

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Galatains 3:19

*19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. (NKJV)

* 18-20What is the point, then, of the law, the attached addendum? It was a thoughtful addition to the original covenant promises made to Abraham. The purpose of the law was to keep a sinful people in the way of salvation until Christ (the descendant) came, inheriting the promises and distributing them to us. Obviously this law was not a firsthand encounter with God. It was arranged by angelic messengers through a middleman, Moses. But if there is a middleman as there was at Sinai, then the people are not dealing directly with God, are they? But the original promise is the direct blessing of God, received by faith.

21-22If such is the case, is the law, then, an anti-promise, a negation of God's will for us? Not at all. Its purpose was to make obvious to everyone that we are, in ourselves, out of right relationship with God, and therefore to show us the futility of devising some religious system for getting by our own efforts what we can only get by waiting in faith for God to complete his promise. For if any kind of rule-keeping had power to create life in us, we would certainly have gotten it by this time.

23-24Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.

25-27But now you have arrived at your destination: By faith in Christ you are in direct relationship with God. Your baptism in Christ was not just washing you up for a fresh start. It also involved dressing you in an adult faith wardrobe—Christ's life, the fulfillment of God's original promise. (Message Translation which i'm not very fond of but it expansiates.)


* Galatians 5: 18 - But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[blazingthru]

So these “sabbath days which are a shadow” could not possibly be referring to the Seventh-day Sabbath. But what other sabbaths could they be talking about? Were there “sabbaths” other than the weekly Sabbaths? Yes, there were yearly sabbaths which had absolutely nothing to do with the Seventh-day Sabbath of the decalogue. And they were definitely a part of the “ordinance” system which ended at the cross.
For proof of this, let us go back to the law of Moses and read about these annual feast days which were shadowy sabbaths. “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation” (Leviticus 23:24). Again we read, “Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement ... It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest” (verses 27, 32).
As you can clearly see, these annual sabbaths fell on a different day of the week every year, and God specifically explained that they were not to be confused with the weekly Sabbath. “These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, everything upon his day: BESIDE THE SABBATHS OF THE LORD” (verses 37, 38).
Now we can understand what Paul was referring to in Colossians when he wrote about meat and drink and sabbath days which are shadows. There were certain prescribed offerings for each of those yearly feast days, and they were shadows pointing to the future sacrifice of Jesus. But the Bible says these were “BESIDE THE SABBATHS OF THE LORD,” or the Seventh-day Sabbath.

 

[blazingthru]

Out of curiousity .... quick question:

What is you interpretation of Galatians 3:19 - 25? and also Galatians 5:18?

That we are no longer under the ceremonial laws of Moses,

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* Galatians 5: 18 - But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law.

Topsytruvy,
The scriptures speaks for itself. This is the new living bible version and it makes it clearer what Galatians 5:18 means
Living by the Spirit’s Power

16 So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.
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At the moment of Christ’s death, the veil of the temple was ripped from top to bottom by an unseen hand (Matthew 27:51). The most holy place of the sanctuary was exposed where the sprinkled blood recorded all the sins of the people. But no more blood needed to be sprinkled; no more lambs needed to be slain; the true Lamb had come to which all those sacrifices pointed. From henceforth, it would be a denial of the Saviour to bring animals. It would be denying that He was the fulfillment of all the shadows and types. Therefore, it would be “against us” or “contrary to us” to continue observing that mosaic law.
To clarify this issue further, let’s ask a very simple question or two. On the day before Jesus died, would it have been a sin for a man to refuse to bring a lamb in order to have his sins forgiven? The answer, of course, is yes. It would have been a sin, because that was the only way to be forgiven. Another question: Would it have been a sin to refuse to bring that lamb, THE DAY AFTER JESUS DIED? No, because the true Lamb had died, the veil had been rent, and the ordinances blotted out. A law had been abolished by being nailed to the cross—the ceremonial law of Moses. Paul referred to the same law in Ephesians 2:15, “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances ...”
Now let’s ask another question: On the day before Jesus died, was it a sin to steal? Undoubtedly it was. On the day after He died, was it a sin to steal? The answer is yes; it was just as wrong as the day before He died. Obviously, all the blotting out of ordinances, types and shadows did not affect the great moral code of the Ten Commandments in the slightest degree—they all applied afterward as much as before Christ died.
There are Christians today who still insist that the yearly sabbaths should be observed along with the weekly Sabbath. If such is required, then what were the sabbath days which were blotted out and nailed to the cross? And what was the “holyday” mentioned by Paul as being abolished along with those “sabbath days which were shadows of things to come?” The Greek word for “holyday” is heorte, which is also used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews: “After this there was a feast (heorte) of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” John 5:1. This is unquestionably one of the holy days that Paul spoke of as being abolished. In contrast, the weekly Sabbath is never referred to as a “feast,” neither is it ever connected to the Jews by such terms as “sabbath of the Jews.” It is only designated as the “sabbath of the Lord.”

 

[topsyturvy86]

So your belief is that in the New Testament when the law of Moses is spoken about, it's the ordinances being referred to and not the law/10 commandments? What is ur interpretation of the 1st scripture? (i'm just trying to understand ur belief)

 

[divya]

What's deemed ceremonial? The law of Moses is summarized in the 10 which can be summarized in the 2 greatest commands. Are we NOT to keep the other Sabbaths or are they just optional (i.e. it doesn't matter if we do or don't). Why?

So your belief is that in the New Testament when the law of Moses is spoken about, it's the ordinances being referred to and not the law/10 commandments? What is ur interpretation of the 1st scripture? (i'm just trying to understand ur belief)

Do you mind if I answer? I'm going to cut and paste a bit from a former discussion...

Now we must discuss the issue of fulfillment and what was done away with at the cross. It is corre are correct that the ordinances/ceremonial laws are blotted out at the cross. However, the question is - what are the ordinances/ceremonial laws?

Col. 2:16 must be read in context with the entire chapter. We must be careful to make sure we are considering all the relevant verses. That being said:

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Col. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

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The verses here do not state that all sabbaths or "ordinances" etc. are blotted out at all. If that was the case, even the communion and such would be of none effect. These verses tell us WHICH meats, drinks, holy days, and Sabbaths are not longer necessary – it states the blotting out the handwriting of ordinances. What are the ordinances? Are they different from the commandments? The answer is yes, because the Scriptures tell us the two are different.

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Luke 1:6 - And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

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Clearly, the Bible makes a distinction between the two. They must be different. There are commandments AND then there are ordinances. The next question is then – what are commandments are what are ordinances? The Bible also reveals what exactly the ordinances are:

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2 Chronicles 33:8-9 And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever: Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

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The Bible clearly tells us that the ordinances (ceremonial laws) were handwritten by Moses. The Ten Commandments are not ordinances handwritten by Moses. The Ten Commandments were carved in stone by the finger of God. There is a big difference. Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

But we cannot stop there. Now, if we study the ordinances we find out that there are particular sabbath days within the ordinances that were given to look forward to the Messiah. Those ordinance sabbaths were, as mentioned earlier - Pesach, Shavuot, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkoth etc. Actually, not all these sabbaths fall on the seventh-day anyway but were special ceremonial days. However, because Jesus has come and died, He is our Lamb. His blood is sufficient to cleanse and save us. These ordinances/ceremonial laws are blotted out as specified in Col. 2:14-16, NOT the Ten Commandments. The seventh-day Sabbath is part of the commandments, not the ordinances.

Honestly, this is one of those areas where must particular study is necessary. When you first read those verses, it is easy to come away with the idea that the seventh-day Sabbath is of none effect. However, if we read the verses around, they show us how to rightly divide the truth. The ordinance sabbaths, holy days, new moons etc., are not necessary. However, the seventh day Sabbath within the commandments written by God still stand, along with all the other commandments.

God bless.

There is an excellent source that discusses Colossians: http://www.colossians2-16.com/

 

[blazingthru]

So your belief is that in the New Testament when the law of Moses is spoken about, it's the ordinances being referred to and not the law/10 commandments? What is ur interpretation of the 1st scripture? (i'm just trying to understand ur belief)

Today is my daughters graduation. I will respond later on today. But yes. its the ordinances and ceremonial laws.

 

[cheetarah1980]

Only two of the sacrifices were in regards to sin. If the sacrificial system in it's entirety (along with the feasts) were abolished after Jesus died and rose, then why did Paul still go to the Temple to sacrifice (Acts 21:23-26). The vow that is discussed in this passage is the Nazarite vow, the details of which can be found in Numbers 6:1-21. It is also documented that Paul and the 1st century believers also observed all of the Feasts. Acts 19:16 states that Paul didn't want to spend additional time in Asia because he was hurrying to get to Jerusalem for the Festival of Pentecost.
Also, if God is eternal and doesn't change why would he tell the Levites in Numbers 18:19that their duties and provision were an unbreakable covenant? Unbreakable covenant sounds pretty eternal. Granted there is no longer a Levitical preisthood due to all of the exiles and dispersions, so whether or not any of the sacrifices CAN still be performed is a moot point. God also said that all of the feasts were permanent ordinances to be observed wherever one lives. Once again permanent would mean eternally. Nowhere does it say that these would stop once Messiah has come.
In fact in Zechariah 14:16-21 it is prophesied that when Messiah comes to reign forever (which is yet to come) that all of the nations will go up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles and worship the King. If we look in Leviticus 23:36 we will see that part of this Feast is to bring offerings by fire (i.e. sacrifices). Does it make sense that in the time between Messiah's first and second coming that all of this is to be done away with only to be brought back again? And if the LORD called all of these things permanent/lasting/eternal ordinances why would He change that to give a repreive for a few millenia?
Remember the law of Moses of was spoken to Moses by God to give to the people (they couldn't handle hearing the whole thing themselves after God gave them the 10 commandments). So really it's not Moses' law it is God's.

 

[divya]

Only two of the sacrifices were in regards to sin. If the sacrificial system in it's entirety (along with the feasts) were abolished after Jesus died and rose, then why did Paul still go to the Temple to sacrifice (Acts 21:23-26). The vow that is discussed in this passage is the Nazarite vow, the details of which can be found in Numbers 6:1-21. It is also documented that Paul and the 1st century believers also observed all of the Feasts. Acts 19:16 states that Paul didn't want to spend additional time in Asia because he was hurrying to get to Jerusalem for the Festival of Pentecost.
Also, if God is eternal and doesn't change why would he tell the Levites in Numbers 18:19that their duties and provision were an unbreakable covenant? Unbreakable covenant sounds pretty eternal. Granted there is no longer a Levitical preisthood due to all of the exiles and dispersions, so whether or not any of the sacrifices CAN still be performed is a moot point. God also said that all of the feasts were permanent ordinances to be observed wherever one lives. Once again permanent would mean eternally. Nowhere does it say that these would stop once Messiah has come.
In fact in Zechariah 14:16-21 it is prophesied that when Messiah comes to reign forever (which is yet to come) that all of the nations will go up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles and worship the King. If we look in Leviticus 23:36 we will see that part of this Feast is to bring offerings by fire (i.e. sacrifices). Does it make sense that in the time between Messiah's first and second coming that all of this is to be done away with only to be brought back again? And if the LORD called all of these things permanent/lasting/eternal ordinances why would He change that to give a repreive for a few millenia?
Remember the law of Moses of was spoken to Moses by God to give to the people (they couldn't handle hearing the whole thing themselves after God gave them the 10 commandments). So really it's not Moses' law it is God's.

The Scriptures make the distinction between the ordinances handwritten by Moses and those that were written by the hand of God. That doesn't mean that that God is not the Source of all of these law but that the types of laws are distinct from each other and serve particular purposes. God's law is eternal, not the mosaic law. It is discussed later in Hebrews but...

This distinction is shown even with the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ten Commandments - God's writing - was placed INTO (inside) the Ark. Deuteronomy 10:1,2. Exodus 25:16

The Mosaic Law - Moses' handwriting - was placed in the side of the Ark. Deuteronomy 31:24-29

In regards to the Levitical covenant and sacrifices in general, the Scriptures address those sacrifices specifically. Predicted before Christ in Daniel and then discussed after in Hebrews in detail. Hosea predicts exactly what is stated in Colossians.

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Daniel 9:27 “And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (seven literal years, according to prophetic terms): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…

Hebrews 10:5-14 - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 0By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

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Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Colossians 2:14 -16 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[Crown]

...
Remember the law of Moses of was spoken to Moses by God to give to the people (they couldn't handle hearing the whole thing themselves after God gave them the 10 commandments). So really it's not Moses' law it is God's.

It is so true!

 

[divya]

It is so true!

This is true, but not in the way that some attempt to make it. God in the Scriptures makes the distinction between what He wrote with His finger and what a human being wrote with his hand.

 

[cheetarah1980]

The Scriptures make the distinction between the ordinances handwritten by Moses and those that were written by the hand of God. That doesn't mean that that God is not the Source of all of these law but that the types of laws are distinct from each other and serve particular purposes. God's law is eternal, not the mosaic law. It is discussed later in Hebrews but...

This distinction is shown even with the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ten Commandments - God's writing - was placed INTO (inside) the Ark. Deuteronomy 10:1,2. Exodus 25:16

The Mosaic Law - Moses' handwriting - was placed in the side of the Ark. Deuteronomy 31:24-29

In regards to the Levitical covenant and sacrifices in general, the Scriptures address those sacrifices specifically. Predicted before Christ in Daniel and then discussed after in Hebrews in detail. Hosea predicts exactly what is stated in Colossians.

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Daniel 9:27 “And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (seven literal years, according to prophetic terms): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…

Hebrews 10:5-14 - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 0By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

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Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

Colossians 2:14 -16 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The passages in Hebrews and Daniel speak specifically to sacrifices for sin. I agree that no sacrifice for sin is needed since Messiah was the final sacrifice for all. However, the sacrifical system was not solely tied to sin. In fact, only two of the sacrifices had anything to do with sin/guilt.

Also, sacrifice was never needed for forgiveness of sins. Sacrifice was needed as a covering, not the actual means of forgiveness. That came solely from God by grace.

 

[Crown]

This is true, but not in the way that some attempt to make it. God in the Scriptures makes the distinction between what He wrote with His finger and what a human being wrote with his hand.

Not so true!

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses’ anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

 

[Crown]

The reason of the sabbath :
Deut. 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

 

[Crown]

Gen 1:3 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1: 29 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

No evening and morning for the rest of the seventh day! And Paul explained why :

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Amen!

 

[divya]

Not so true!

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses’ anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
34:27 [And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

This echoes exactly what I stated. The ordinances were never written by the finger of God. Can you find where the ordinances were ever written by the finger of God? Only the Ten Commandments, regardless of God commanding Moses to write again what God Himself had already written with His finger.

So it is true - the Scriptures are clear.

See again the distinctions between the commandments and the ordinances. They are not one in the same.

Luke 1:6 - And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

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2 Chronicles 33:8-9 And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever: Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

 

[divya]

Gen 1:3 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1: 29 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

No evening and morning for the rest of the seventh day! And Paul explained why :

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Amen!

Actually Paul explained why we must keep the Sabbath day here:

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

There remains a rest for the people of God! The person who enters into His rest, stops working as God did from His work. When did God rest from His work? On the seventh day, to commemorate creation.

That's why verse 7 states again he limiteth a certain day.

 

[divya]

The passages in Hebrews and Daniel speak specifically to sacrifices for sin. I agree that no sacrifice for sin is needed since Messiah was the final sacrifice for all. However, the sacrifical system was not solely tied to sin. In fact, only two of the sacrifices had anything to do with sin/guilt.

Also, sacrifice was never needed for forgiveness of sins. Sacrifice was needed as a covering, not the actual means of forgiveness. That came solely from God by grace.

Yes, Hebrews and Daniel speak to the sacrifices for sin. Hosea and Colossians also speak to the feasts and the latter to the ordinances written by the hand of Moses.

Grace does come from God, absolutely!

 

[Crown]

I am not entering into the justification of fingers of God. Making distinction between what was written by fingers of God ( and brake) or not, it's a dangerous road. Fingers of God or not, the Bible, the ten commandments and the law were written by men inspired by God.

 

[Crown]

Actually Paul explained why we must keep the Sabbath day here:

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

There remains a rest for the people of God! The person who enters into His rest, stops working as God did from His work. When did God rest from His work? On the seventh day, to commemorate creation.

That's why verse 7 states again he limiteth a certain day.

You said it : it's today!
Heb. 4 : 7 To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
When someone leaves the world, accepts and follows Jesus-Christ, this person enters in the rest of God.

logging out. God bless you!

 

[divya]

I am not entering into the justification of fingers of God. Making distinction between what was written by fingers of God ( and brake) or not, it's a dangerous road. Fingers of God or not, the Bible, the ten commandments and the law were written by men inspired by God.

It is the road of clarity and truth.

Exodus 32:16 - And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

The Scriptures absolutely. are inspired by God and written done by men. That is true. However, the Scriptures state that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger. That something was written by God Himself is amazing and is clearly distinguishable from that written only by Moses. The Scriptures make the distinction between the Ten Commandments and the ordinances - that is one. However, there is other Scriptures that have been posted that show the distinction as well. Are you debating these as well?

Moses Law
Called the Law of Moses Luke 2:22
Called Law contained ordianances Ephesian 2:15
Written by Moses in a book 2 Chronicles 35:12
Placed in the side of Ark Deuteronomy 31:26
Ended at the cross Ephesians 2:15
Added because of sin Galatians 3:19
Contrary to us and against us Colossians 2:14
Judge no one Colossian 2:14-16
Carnal Hebrews 7:16
Made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19

God Law
Called the Law of the Lord Isaiah 5:24
Called the Royal Law James 2:8
Written by God on stone Exodus 31:18, 32:16
Placed inside the ark Exodus 40:20
Will stand forever Luke 16:17
Points out sin Romans 7:7, 3:20
Not grievous 1 John 5:3
Judges all People James2:10-12
spiritually Roman 7:14
Perfect Psalms 19:7

 

[divya]

You said it : it's today!
Heb. 4 : 7 To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
When someone leaves the world, accepts and follows Jesus-Christ, this person enters in the rest of God.

logging out. God bless you!

Hebrews 4:9 -10 - There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Genesis 2:2-4 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.

I pray that we all are open to the teaching of the Scriptures, and do not harden our hearts in order to adhere to the traditions of men (disregard of the Sabbath). God rested on the seventh day and Hebrews teaches that we should as well. Keeping the Sabbath is throughout the Scriptures and part of the unchanging law of God.

Isaiah 28:9-10 - Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[cheetarah1980]

I'm still trying to figure out when a lasting ordinance ends. I just keep being drawn back to those words "lasting ordinance." I also go back to prophesy that clearly says the feasts will be celebrated when Messiah returns. Maybe we're talking dispensational theology (which is actually pretty new) in that God deals with His people differently at different times. That doesn't make much sense to me, so I'll stand by the tenant that nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Now how does that apply to believers in the 21st century Western world, I don't completely know.