Has anyone studied the Nephilim in the bible?

vevster

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I was listening to a show the other day and this lady had quite the interpretation of what the Nephilim was and a different interpretation of Adam and Eve in Genesis...

She said that Eve instead of biting an apple lay with satan(the serpent) and a child was conceived she then lay with Adam and a twin was conceived. It goes on but I wonder if anybody heard this sort of interpretation...
 

Honeyhips

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so what happened to the Child? Do they mention it in the bible again? I know she never did bite into an apple, just the forbidden fruit.
 

vevster

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The child was CAIN. Cain and Able were fraternal twins w/ different fathers.. Cain's father was lucifer(the serpent) and Able was Adam's child.
 

BlkHoneyLuv2U

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None of that is based on scripture. Here is what the Word has to say on that:

Gen 4:1 Adam slept with Eve his wife. She conceived and had Cain. She said, "I've gotten a man, with GOD's help!"

Gen 4:2 Then she had another baby, Abel. Abel was a herdsman and Cain a farmer

The scriptures below are supposed to explain the Nephilim although the word Nephilim is not in the Bible anywhere that I can find.

Gen 6:4 This was back in the days (and also later) when there were giants in the land. The giants came from the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men. These were the mighty men of ancient lore, the famous ones.

 

vevster

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Well, the lady was making sense to me.. about the apple or fruit part. I don't believe Adam and Eve bit into an apple then they were so ashamed and clothed themselves. If anything, if they bit into fruit they should have covered there mouths in shame.....

I don't necessrily buy the whole ball of wax, though....
 

Sweet C

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vevster said:
I was listening to a show the other day and this lady had quite the interpretation of what the Nephilim was and a different interpretation of Adam and Eve in Genesis...

She said that Eve instead of biting an apple lay with satan(the serpent) and a child was conceived she then lay with Adam and a twin was conceived. It goes on but I wonder if anybody heard this sort of interpretation...

I have heard this story before, and its basis is from old Jewish folklore. This is the same place where we got the concept of Eve biting an apple (the Word says forbidden fruit, it never specifies what type). We already know its in error according to God's Word in Genesis 3, and the first person to have twins was Rebekah, Isaac's wife.

The word Nephilim is however mentioned in some versions of the bible, such as the NRSV and is the same as what you see as giants or mighty men in the KJV (Gen 6:4; Nu 16:33).
 

Enchantmt

Progress...not perfection
ladydee36330 said:
None of that is based on scripture. Here is what the Word has to say on that:

[/size]The scriptures below are supposed to explain the Nephilim although the word Nephilim is not in the Bible anywhere that I can find.

Gen 6:4 This was back in the days (and also later) when there were giants in the land. The giants came from the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men. These were the mighty men of ancient lore, the famous ones.


My understanding of the story around this particular scripture is that Satan has tried at times to pervert the seed of man so that Christ couldnt come. Some of the fallen angels slept with humans, conceived children, and these children had supernatural powers. I was told that men came to worship them and they became known as Gods, that many of the greek and roman mythologly stories are true, based on the actions and abilities of the offspring and that when God flooded the earth it was to preserve Noah and his family and maintain the line for Christ and also to get rid of these creatures. It is said the fallen angels that commited these acts were imprisoned and that after Jesus was crucified He went to preach to them, basically to let them know they didnt succeed.

It is also a theory that homosexuality has the same purpose, to make men and women lust after their own so that they are in sin and also so that they dont reproduce, trying to block the seed of God. I don't have an opinion one way or another, just adding more info to the pot. :)
 

BlkHoneyLuv2U

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Enchantmt said:
My understanding of the story around this particular scripture is that Satan has tried at times to pervert the seed of man so that Christ couldnt come. Some of the fallen angels slept with humans, conceived children, and these children had supernatural powers. I was told that men came to worship them and they became known as Gods, that many of the greek and roman mythologly stories are true, based on the actions and abilities of the offspring and that when God flooded the earth it was to preserve Noah and his family and maintain the line for Christ and also to get rid of these creatures. It is said the fallen angels that commited these acts were imprisoned and that after Jesus was crucified He went to preach to them, basically to let them know they didnt succeed.

It is also a theory that homosexuality has the same purpose, to make men and women lust after their own so that they are in sin and also so that they dont reproduce, trying to block the seed of God. I don't have an opinion one way or another, just adding more info to the pot. :)

Thats my understanding also.
 

Honeyhips

Lovely
that's interesting. Do you have something that would give me more information?
Enchantmt said:
My understanding of the story around this particular scripture is that Satan has tried at times to pervert the seed of man so that Christ couldnt come. Some of the fallen angels slept with humans, conceived children, and these children had supernatural powers. I was told that men came to worship them and they became known as Gods, that many of the greek and roman mythologly stories are true, based on the actions and abilities of the offspring and that when God flooded the earth it was to preserve Noah and his family and maintain the line for Christ and also to get rid of these creatures. It is said the fallen angels that commited these acts were imprisoned and that after Jesus was crucified He went to preach to them, basically to let them know they didnt succeed.

It is also a theory that homosexuality has the same purpose, to make men and women lust after their own so that they are in sin and also so that they dont reproduce, trying to block the seed of God. I don't have an opinion one way or another, just adding more info to the pot. :)
 

qtgirl

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My old Bible Stories book from when I was a kid mentioned the "giants' as children of Angels and men, but I'd like to read more about that. Where do you get this information or understanding and can you tell me where to find the scripture? I'm going to have to go to my parent's house and find my old book.

Enchantmt said:
My understanding of the story around this particular scripture is that Satan has tried at times to pervert the seed of man so that Christ couldnt come. Some of the fallen angels slept with humans, conceived children, and these children had supernatural powers. I was told that men came to worship them and they became known as Gods, that many of the greek and roman mythologly stories are true, based on the actions and abilities of the offspring and that when God flooded the earth it was to preserve Noah and his family and maintain the line for Christ and also to get rid of these creatures. It is said the fallen angels that commited these acts were imprisoned and that after Jesus was crucified He went to preach to them, basically to let them know they didnt succeed.
It is also a theory that homosexuality has the same purpose, to make men and women lust after their own so that they are in sin and also so that they dont reproduce, trying to block the seed of God. I don't have an opinion one way or another, just adding more info to the pot. :)
 

Enchantmt

Progress...not perfection
I will see if I can get the info for you. My brother, who is a bible scholar explained it to me that way. There may have been giants also but there were also giants after the flood ( IE David and Goliath) so they would not necessarily be the result of that union. All other creatures except Noahs family, and the human race continuing from his line were destroyed in the flood. My brother lives in another state, goes to school and works odd hours. I'm still trying to catch up with him to get info on another topic that was brought up in here. I havent forgot, tho. There may also be some online resources. I will do a search when I'm less lazy. :)
 

DDTexlaxed

TRANSITION OVER! 11-22-14
This reminds me of my bible study. Basically, the angels left their proper dwelling place, heaven, to have sex w/ women. The earth became so full of violence, that God brought the flood to rid the earth of violence. He saved Noah and his family. The angels already knew what would happen to them if they were disobedient, so there really is no hope for them. I like threads like this.
 

Vintagecoilylocks

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The problem with this way of viewing it is there is no scripture to establish that angels were considered sons of God or that angels have the physical ability to procreate with other angels less more with humans. Since this is coming from scripture it should not contridict God or any other scripture.
 

vevster

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This is interesting.. Well, isn't satan a fallen angel??? I think there is some truth to wha this lady was saying. I'm not saying she has it right or that I repeated her story correctly. If anyone wants the links to the mp3s online to listen to what she says for further discussion let me know.
 

qtgirl

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Found some good info:

The Nephilim
"The Sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
- Genesis 6:2

"Some commentators believe that the expression 'sons of God' refers to the 'godly line' of Seth, and 'daughters of men' to women from the line of Cain."
- Commentary on the Living Bible

"The Book of Giants was another literary work concerned with Enoch, widely read (after translation into the appropriate languages) in the Roman empire....The 'giants' were believed to be the offspring of fallen angels (the Nephilim; also called Watchers) and human women."
- Robert Eisman and Michael Wise, The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered

In The Book of Giants (i.e., 4Q531, 6Q8 Frag. 2 and 4Q530 Col. 2), "the name of one of the giants is Gilgamesh, the Babylonian hero and subject of a great epic written in the third millennium B.C.E."
- Michael Wise, Martin Abegg, Jr., and Edward Cook, The Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation (1996) p. 247

The root of Nephilim is nephel which means: "untimely birth, abortion, miscarriage". The Biblical tradition says the Nephilim were on the earth before the Flood and afterwards, but they appear to be missing during the Flood.

"The Nefilim were upon the Earth in those days and thereafter too. Those sons of the gods who cohabited with the daughters of the Adam, and they bore children into them. They were the Mighty Ones of Eternity, the People of the Shem."
- Genesis 6:4

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they; bare children unto them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
- Genesis 6:4 (King Jame's version)

"Megalithic monuments, found by the Hebrews on their arrival in Canaan, will have encouraged legends about giants; as in Greece, where the monstrous man-eating Cyclopes were said by story-tellers ignorant of ramps, levers and other Mycenaean engineering devices, to have lifted single- handed the huge blocks of stone that form the walls of Tiryns, Mycenae and other ancient cities."
- Robert Graves and Raphael Patai, Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis

On a parchment fragment 4Q201(En ara) copied ca. 200-150 B.C.E. found at Qumrum:

13. [They (the leaders) and all ... of them took for themselves] wives from all that they chose and [they began to cohabit with them and to defile themselves with them]; and to teach them sorcery and [spells and the cutting of roots; and to acquaint them with herbs.] And they become pregnant by them and bo[re (great) giants three thousand cubits high ...]
- Book of Enoch (from Translation by J. C. Greenfield

"Later Jewish tradition has it that their seduction was at least partly their own fault since they had taught the girls the art of cosmetics, and so had begun the awful progress of mankind to degeneracy and sexual abandon. More important, 'they taught them charms and enchantments, the cutting of roots, and make them acquainted with plants..." (Enoch 7:1ff)."
- John M. Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross

"The Hebrew word for giants (nephilum) literally means the fallen-down-ones because these tall celestial beings fell from the sky. Their half-breed progeny and their descendants are often mentioned in the early books of the Old Testament until the last of them were finally killed off. They were known as the Rephaim [Hebrew for 'phantoms'], Emim, Anakim, Horim, Avim, and Zamzummim. Some scholars speculate that this tradition of giants born from the union of gods and humans formed the basis for the demigod of Greek mythology."
- Raymond E. Fowler, The Watchers

"Those giants...are termed n'philim (lit. 'those who have fallen' or 'perished'). A similar tradition mentions such a race of primordial giants in the Rephaim."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"The Nefilim ('Fallen Ones') bore many other tribal names, such as Emim ('Terrors'), Repha'im ('Weakeners'), Gibborim ('Giant Heroes'), Zamzummim ('Achievers'), Anakim ('Long-necked' or 'Wearers of Necklaces'), Awwim ('Devastators' or 'Serpents'). One of the Nefilim named Arba is said to have built the city of Hebron, called 'Kiriath-Arba' after him, and become the father of Anak whose three sons, Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai, were later expelled by Joshua's comrade Caleb. Since, however, arba means 'four' in Hebrew, Kiriath-Arba may have originally have meant 'City of Four,' a reference to its four quarters mythically connected with the Anakite clans: Anak himself and his 'sons' Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai."
- Robert Graves and Raphael Patai, Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis

"And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."
- Numbers 13:33

"The Emim - a large and numerous people, as tall as the Anakim - had formerly inhabited it [Moab]. Like the Anakim, they are usually reckoned as Rephaim, though the Moabites call them Emim."
"Now only King Og of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. In fact his bed, an iron bed, can still be seen in Rabbah of the Ammonites. By the common cubit [63.5 cm/25 in] it is nine cubits [5.7 m/18.75 ft] long and four cubits wide."
- Deuteronomy 2:11, 3:11

"Our skills and behavior are finely attuned to our size. We could not be twice as tall as we are, for the kinetic energy of a fall would then be 16 to 32 times as great, and our sheer weight (increased eightfold) would be more than our legs could support. Human giants of eight to nine feet have either died young or been crippled early by failure of joints and bones. At half our size, we could not wield a club with sufficient force to hunt large animals (for kinetic energy would decrease 16 to 32-fold); we could not impart sufficient momentum to spears and arrows; we could not cut or split wood with primitive tools or mine minerals with picks and chisels. Since these all were essential activities in our historical development, we must conclude that the path of our evolution could only have been followed by a creature very close to our size. I do not argue that we inhabit the best of all possible worlds, only that our size has limited our activities and, to a great extent, shaped our evolution."
- Stephen Jay Gould, "Sizing Up Human Intelligence," Physical Anthropology 96/97, pp.150-51

"The tradition in Genesis 6.4 may reflect the Canaanite myth of the birth of minor gods from the union of El and human women. The conception of the Rephaim as supermen may reflect the Canaanite tradition of defunct kings as rp'um, or Dispensers of fertility. The identity in tradition of 'the fallen ones' of Genesis 6:4 and the Rephaim is supported by the nature of the latter in Proverbs 2:18; Job 26:5 and Phoenician funerary inscriptions."
- John Gray, Near Eastern Mythology

"For her house leads down to death and her paths to the spirits of the dead."
- Proverbs 2:18

"The dead are in deep anguish, those beneath the waters and all that live in them."
- Job 26:5
 

qtgirl

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I also wanted to say that the Book of Enoch is a non-cannonized book of the bible, so it is Apocrypha.

ETA:
The origination of the Nephilim begins with a story of the fallen angels. Originating in the Book of Enoch {Apocrypha} Shemhazai, an angel of high rank, led a sect of angels in a descent to earth to instruct humans in righteousness. The mission lasted for a few centuries, but soon the soldiers/missionaries/angels became corrupted in their lusting after human females. After lusting, the fallen angels instructed the women in magic and conjuring, mated with them, and produced offspring, who would later be referred to as the Nephilim.


Enoch was probably as well known to the ancient readers as he is unknown to modern readers . Genesis says of him only that he "walked with God," and afterward "he was not, because God had taken him" (Gen. 5:24). This passage made Enoch an exalted figure of considerable fascination.

You might want to read this book: Fallen Angels and the Origins of Evil: Why Church Fathers Suppressed the Book of Enoch and Its Startling Revelations

Did rebel angels take on human bodies to fulfill their lust for the "daughters of men"? Did these fallen angels teach men to build weapons of war?
That is the premise of the Book of Enoch, a text cherished by the Essenes, early Jews and Christians but later condemned by both rabbis and Church Fathers. The book was denounced, banned and "lost" for over a thousand years-until in 1773, a Scottish explorer discovered three copies in Ethiopia.

Elizabeth Clare Prophet examines the controversy surrounding this book and sheds new light on Enoch's forbidden mysteries. She demonstrates that Jesus and the apostles studied the Book of Enoch and tells why Church Fathers suppressed its teaching that angels could incarnate in human bodies. Contains all the Enoch texts, including the Book of Enoch, and biblical parallels.

Fallen Angels and the Origins of Evil takes you back to the primordial drama of Good and Evil, when the first hint of corruption entered a pristine world-earth.

Contains Richard Laurence's translation of the Book of Enoch, all the other Enoch texts, including the Book of the Secrets of Enoch, biblical parallels

About the Author
Elizabeth Clare Prophet is a world-renowned author and teacher. She has pioneered techniques in practical spirituality, including the creative power of sound for personal growth and world transformation. Mrs. Prophet has authored more than 25 books, and her writings have been translated into 20 languages and sold in more than 30 markets worldwide. Her lectures and workshops have been broadcast on more than 200 cable TV stations throughout the United States. She has also been featured on NBC's Ancient Prophecies and A&E's The Unexplained and has talked about her work on Donahue, Larry King Live, Nightline, Sonya Live and CNN & Company.
 
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DDTexlaxed

TRANSITION OVER! 11-22-14
The Bible gives us a simple answers-Gen. 6:2- 4, angels want to have unnatural relationship with women....vs 21 says all flesh died...so everyone not in the ark, including the Nephillim, died. The angels tried to go back to heaven, but were judged unworthy of their positions waiting for their destruction...Jude 6,7....no need to go outside the bible for the answer. :)
 
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Bublnbrnsuga

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Angels are not physical beings, they are spirits and don't reproduce after their own kind. So, to say these fallen angels slept with humans and reproduced is not correct, for how can a spirit lay with a human, and reproduce a human. I can understand why one would think this ( cause I thought so too) but if you really think about it, it is not right.
 

Honeyhips

Lovely
I thought he just made you feel like you were physically having sex. I don't know, I'm going to put that on my things to stuyd list.
Enchantmt said:
Isnt there supposed to be a demon, incubus or something, that can impregnate females?
 

qtgirl

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Genesis 6:2-4 (King James Version)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Bublnbrnsuga said:
Angels are not physical beings, they are spirits and don't reproduce after their own kind. So, to say these fallen angels slept with humans and reproduced is not correct, for how can a spirit lay with a human, and reproduce a human. I can understand why one would think this ( cause I thought so too) but if you really think about it, it is not right.
 
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Bublnbrnsuga

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Honeyhips said:
I thought he just made you feel like you were physically having sex. I don't know, I'm going to put that on my things to stuyd list.

You are correct.
 

TBird

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It doesn't make sense to me that Satan would need to pervert the seed of man if Adam and Eve never sinned. If they never sinned there would be no need for Christ to come. There is nothing in the Bible that mentions Eve having relations with anyone other than Adam. Once they ate of the fruit the Bible says they became ashamed and hid from the face of God. As far as the Nephilim, these were children brought about by angels materializing and coming to earth and having sex relations with women. At one point angels could take on the 'form' of men. But God stopped this because they were using it for wrong purposes.
 
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