On Faith: An Open Thread For Catholics And Other Members Of The Cf

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BeautyByYasmine

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As some of you may know, I have decided not to be a part of the CF. I did get an inbox from some of the catholic members in this forum who feel that they have been personally attacked by members of this forum, but most blatantly by me in my last post in which I said in so many words that Catholicism is a false religion. I don't think I can reasonably leave the CF without addressing the concern in a post.

The first thing I want to say to those of us who have spoken out to them is that the catholic members are HURT and angry by what has been said about their religion. They are taking the comments as persecution and an attack on their faith. And as I have been saying a lot lately, it's important to know where peoples hearts are coming from on the issue. I completely understand where you are coming from and I apologize that my comments were upsetting. I also want to apologize for this public post, as they requested that the matter be dealt with privately. However, they had some trouble adding others to the conversation so I am hoping that any roadblocks to this issue finally gets resolved here. The only thing I can do is invite the other people who have shared comments. If everyone can just enter the conversation prayerfully, that would be the best start. If you are unable to, then of course, pray.

I feel led to talk about faith first for a second, it may be relevant to someone. The first scripture I ever read was on a sign outside of a shop near my home. Posted on it, was "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Faith is the most important thing that you own. Without it, we are unable to please God. As you know, faith is your shield. But the most important part of that scripture, is that it comes from hearing the Word of God. That's it, the Word of God. I will get back to this in a second.

As you know, no one here knows your religion as well as you do. But may I say, that the same way that you minister to nonbelievers, is the same stance some of us have taken by sharing the message with you. As you know, few people have perfected delivery, sometimes it works out and sometimes people end up upset that you said anything. But I just wanted you to at least be able to see where people where coming from, as I am sure you can identify with being in that precarious position of wanting to say something to someone that you thought was going down the wrong path. No one here is coming from a malicious place at all, so if you can, please give the benefit of the doubt.

Getting back to the word of God. I don't know catholicism the way you do, but I have read several articles in the past about why catholicism is a false religion and I am persuaded from what I have read and from what God has shown me through personal time and scripture, that this religion is false. If you allow some conversation to transpire, without feeling attacked (not sure if that's possible though) maybe there can be some clearer dialogue on why many people here feel this way. I feel like the word of God on the issue is the best source as relates to other believers, and I have seen some blaring things that are from scripture itself that seem to point to the catholic church as a false religion. I will come back and post some articles, I will have to reread as I haven't seen them in a long time but I remember googling "catholicism a false religion" and finding a ton of scriptures that point to this issue. Will be right back.
 

BeautyByYasmine

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What The Bible Says About The Roman Catholic Church
These Bible verses reveal that God has been speaking about the Roman Catholic Church for 2,500 years, the first instance occurred when He spoke to Daniel about future kingdoms that would occur until the end of time.

If you’re Catholic, these Bible truths are shared out of love for you, because you may not know what God has declared to you in His Holy Word.

Read through the list and see what the Bible reveals about the leaders of the Catholic Church.

You don’t have to understand all of the prophecies and their fulfillment, just simply read through the study to see how the Bible specifically describes the Catholic Church.

The Bible foretold that the antichrist beast would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.

The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4



The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet… Thepectoral cross should be made of gold and… decorated with gems…” (Source: Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopedia, 1991, p. 175, 178, 466)

The Bible foretold that the Harlot (false Church) would assert power over ALL of the Earth.

Then he said to me, ‘The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.’ ” Revelation 17:15

We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) hold the primacy over the whole world.” (Source: Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)



The Roman Catholic Church has ecclesiastical power over 1.2 Billion people, who live in the nations of the world and speak different languages.

The Roman Catholic Church is both a Church and a City, which kings of the Earth bow down to.

And the woman (the harlot church) whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.” Revelation 17:18

Vatican City is a city-state, making it the smallest country in the world, that has political relations with almost every country.

Kings and President bow to the Pope when they visit Vatican City.

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Daniel 2:41 describes them as the Iron/Clay feet of the statue, as they are a Church/State.

Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.”

The other parts of the statue in Daniel 2, the gold head of Babylon, the silver chest of Medo-Persia, the bronze waist of Greece and the iron legs of Rome, were only political empires.

The iron/clay feet represent the church/state of the Roman Catholic Church, which emerged after the Roman Empire was destroyed.

The Roman Catholic Church rose to power after the Roman Empire split into 10 kingdoms, fulfilling Daniel 7:24.

The ten horns (kingdoms) are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.”

Out of the ten kingdoms, the Catholic Church emerged, who was different because it was a church/state.

The Roman Catholic Church is the Little Horn of Daniel fulfilling Daniel 7:8.

I was considering the horns (kingdoms), and there was another horn (kingdom), a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.”

They subdued and destroyed three of the ten kingdoms (the Heruli, Ostrogoths and Vandals) who did not bow down to them.

The church has a single man (the Pope) acting and speaking for the whole body, fulfilling Daniel 7:8.

And there, in this horn (kingdom), were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.”

Pope Pius IX said “I alone… am the successor of the apostles, the vicar of Jesus Christ. I am the way, the truth, and the life…” (Source: History of the Christian Church, by Henry Charles Sheldon, p. 59.)

Pope Boniface VIII said “We declare, say, define, and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Source: Bull “Unam Sanctum,” as cited in“Apostolic Digest, Book V: The Book of Obedience”)

Current Pope Francis I said “You cannot find Jesus outside the Church.” (Source: EWTN Global Catholic News, pronounced on April 23 in the Apostolic Palace’s Pauline Chapel.)

In John 14:6, Jesus declared that salvation is through Him only and not through any man,
I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

The Catholic Church changed the calendar and law, fulfilling Daniel 7:25.

“He shall intend to change times (calendar) and law.”

At the First Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. they changed the calendar to be based on the Sun, not the moon as God ordained in the Bible.

At the Council of Laodicea in 363 A.D. they changed the last day of the week to Sunday, instead of Saturday as God ordained in the Bible.

In the Catechism, they removed God’s 2nd Commandment, which forbids idol worship, as they have many idols such as Mary. They then divided the 10th Commandment into two parts, so there is 10 total.

They claim that the Roman Catholic Church was built on Peter.

But Jesus said in Matt. 16:18, “you are Peter (Greek word “Petros” or little, movable stone) , and on this rock (Greek is “Petra” or unmovable stone/rock, which is Jesus)I will build my church.

The two Greek words have very different meanings, one represents Peter as a little movable stone, but the Bible is telling us that Christ’s Church is built on the bedrockof Jesus.

Peter himself understood that Christ was the only foundation stone and that he himself, and the rest of God’s Chosen Ones, were little building blocks upon that foundation.

“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone (Jesus), elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed”
1 Peter 2:5-8

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, Having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, In whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, In whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” Ephesians 2:19-22

The Catholic Church claims that Peter was the head of God’s church.

Paul says in Ephesians 5:23 that Christ Jesus is the head of the church.

“For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church:
and he is the saviour of the body”.


They claim that Peter has the keys of heaven and earth.

Jesus says in Revelation 3:7-8 that He has the key of David, and it is only He that opens and shuts.

These things says He (Jesus) who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David,
He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”‘
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They deny that Jesus has come in the flesh, fulfilling John’s definition of Antichristin 1 John 4:3.

and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world

Popes have claimed that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was sinless, but Romans 3:23 says
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God… was preserved free from all stain of original sin.”
Encyclical On The Immaculate Conception by Pope Pius IX, 1849

By claiming that Mary was sinless from birth until she was taken up into heaven, they are saying that Jesus would not have inherited man’s sinful fleshly nature.

Christ’s perfect sinless life and His victory over sin is of no merit if He did not inherit man’s fleshly nature.

They are not saying that Jesus did not live in a fleshly human body, but they are invalidating that He overcame man’s sinful fleshly nature.

Hebrews 4:15 says “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.”

The Roman Catholic Church rose to power after the Roman Empire was removed, fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:7.

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do sountil he is taken out of the way.”

Paul used the word ‘he’ because if he would have said ‘until the Roman Empire is taken out of the way’, it would have invited persecution against the Church, from the Romans who would not tolerate a claim that they will be destroyed..

The Pope sits in the temple of God proclaiming to be God, fulfilling 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

..the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, (not a physical temple, but Christ’s Church. Eph. 2:19-22) showing himself that he is God.”

Pope Innocent III said “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Greogory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)

Saint Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)

Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”
(Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894)

1 Timothy 2:5-6 declares, “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all.”

Many Popes have declared that salvation is only through the Catholic Church, which denies that salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Pope Innocent III declares, “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (Source: Denzinger 423)

Pope Boniface VIII said, “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” ((Source: Papal Bull Unam Sanctam A.D. 1302)

Pope Eugene IV declared, “No one, let his alms giving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Jesus Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” (Source: The Bull Cantate Domino, 1441)

Pope Pius IX said, “It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved;” (Source: Denzinger 1647)

This is declaring that a Christian in any other church is not saved, and it effectively eliminates Jesus as the only way to salvation, which is antichrist.

Acts 4:12 confirms that salvation is only through Jesus. “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

The Popes title of Vicar of Christ is the ‘antichrist’ in John’s epistles.

The word ‘antichristos’ is the Greek word for Antichrist. Translated into English it meansVice-Christ or Vicar of Christ, which the Pope has claimed as his title.

In 1303 A.D. Pope Boniface VIII said in his infamous Bull ‘Unam Sanctam’, “We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?”

The Roman Catholic Church ruled supreme for 1,260 years, fulfilling Revelation 13:5, which is speaking about the Antichrist beast.

and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.”

42 months is 1,260 days. In prophecy, 1 day = 1 year, so it’s 1,260 years.

In 538 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church gained religious and civil power when Emperor Justinian issued a decree making the Pope head of all churches.

In 1798 A.D., Napoleon’s army marched into Rome and captured the Pope, ending the reign of the Papacy.

The Pope was stripped of authority and taken into captivity, causing a mortal wound, fulfilling Revelation 13:3.

And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”

The Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990, Vol.26, p.938) says “The ultimate humiliation of the Church came when Pius VI was driven out of Rome by the French armies in 1798 and in the following year was taken captiveby them and dragged back to France, where he died.”

They were restored to power in 1929, which healed the deadly head wound.

Rome . . . was granted sovereign extraterritorial status in 1929 by the Lateran Treaty and Concordat.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 1990 Edition

Popes speak great things and blasphemies, fulfilling Revelation 13:5.

And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.”

Pope Innocent III said, “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Greogory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)

Pope Pius V blasphemed that “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source Pope Pius V,quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)

Pope Clement VI declared “No man outside obedience to the Pope of Rome can ultimately be saved. All who have raised themselves against the faith of the Roman Church, and died in final impenitence have been damned, and gone down to Hell.” (Source Pope Clement VI, “Super Quibusdam,” as cited in “Apostolic Digest, Book V: The Book of Obedience”)

They assert power over ALL of the Earth, fulfilling Revelation 13:7

It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.”

We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) hold the primacy over the whole world.” (Source: Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)

The Roman Catholic Church is the beast and the Pope is the man in Revelation 13:18.

Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”

Vicar of Christ in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, which equates numerically to the number 666.

The name ‘Vatican’ means ‘divining serpent’ from Latin Vatis=diviner, andcan=serpent, fulfilling Revelation 13:2,

The dragon (serpent) gave him (the Roman Catholic Church Pope) his power, his throne, and great authority.”

Rome is seated upon seven mountains, fulfilling Revelation 17:9.

Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman (harlot church of Rome) sits.”

The seven hills (mountains) around Rome are named the Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal and Viminal.

They are the Whore of Babylon who is drunk with the blood of the saints of Jesus, fulfilling Revelation 17:6.

History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Vol. 2 says “That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a complete knowledge of history.” Some historians estimate that over 50 million lives (mostly Christians from Christ’s true Church), were taken by this so-called “holy” Inquisition to which they have never apologized.

Daniel 2:34 declares that the feet of iron and clay, the church and state of the Roman Catholic Church, will be destroyed by Christ in the end times.

You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.”

Revelation 18:21 is the fulfillment of Christ destroying the Roman Catholic Church, which is called Mystery Babylon.

Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.”

As you have clearly seen in the study, the Roman Catholic Church is the false church which opposes Christ. And the Lord has foretold that He will destroy her and all those in her.



If you’re in the Catholic Church, Jesus has lovingly called you to, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.“ Revelation 18:4

Come out of her and know true salvation, which is by faith in the atoning work of the Lamb of God, Christ Jesus.

This is a very important message on Biblical salvation. Are you saved?
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Secure your salvation by a direct relationship with Christ Jesus, instead of through men.

Repent of your former beliefs.

Repent of your sins against the Lord, who alone is perfect.

Profess your belief in His sacrifice on the cross of Calvary, and his shed blood which confirmed His covenant with you.

Declare that you desire to have a real relationship with Him.

Ask Jesus to come into your heart to be your Lord and Savior. Amen!

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Pope’s Proclaim That Salvation Is Only Through The Roman Catholic Church


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ETA: I've seen more scriptures, but this was the best that I could find. If you want, you can read the scriptures in your own bible for context.
 

BeautyByYasmine

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While we are on the topic of Faith. Know the root, it starts with God. Faith Up!

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.
 

kanozas

se ven las caras pero nunca el corazón
@BeautyByYasmine

Salvation of of Christ, not yourself. But while we're on it, you had every opportunity to address this in private communication and to openly dialogue with us , you and another instigator in an attempt to avoid further scandal on CF. This thread is not at all necessary. We have countless "For Catholics" threads, Catholic Random Thoughts. Why use trickery in your title description as though you're inviting us to an open "dialogue" that is nothing more than reeling us in for further anti-catholic attack? You have a different opinion (albeit, unfounded). I do not challenge you on that because it is your right to believe utter nonsense NOT taken from any catholic source to which we are wrongfully charged. At this point, though, you should cease and desist because you are not comprehending the differences, esp. between the term denomination, church history and what "katholikós" means and you are going against the rules of the CF. This is not true apologetics. Furthermore, these words of Jesus have been true for 2,000 years:

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

Your gates cannot come against the eastern nor western holy, catholic and apostolic churches. The way we take is directly from the apostles as they took it from Jesus. As you put this publicly, I will also say this publicly. I sense your extreme worry about us...at least you and the other's fear might be coming from genuine concern but please know, our souls are fine and, speaking for myself, I am not going to leave the Church from your attempts to strike fear. They are highly ineffective. Please stop promoting fear, distrust and error.

@Shimmie and other admins, please do something about this. It is enough! People were warned against such types of condemnatory communication in the CF before and it's high time that something is done about this today. We are mainstream Christians, not a cult and certainly not some "Whore of Babylon." Remember, all the members who do not charge us as "pagans" etc. also were condemned in her posts.
 
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BeautyByYasmine

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@BeautyByYasmine

Salvation of of Christ, not yourself. But while we're on it, you had every opportunity to address this in private communication and to openly dialogue with us , you and another instigator in an attempt to avoid further scandal on CF. This thread is not at all necessary. We have countless "For Catholics" threads, Catholic Random Thoughts. Why use trickery in your title description as though you're inviting us to an open "dialogue" that is nothing more than reeling us in for further anti-catholic attack? You have a different opinion (albeit, unfounded). I do not challenge you on that because it is your right to believe utter nonsense NOT taken from any catholic source to which we are wrongfully charged. At this point, though, you should cease and desist because you are not comprehending the differences, esp. between the term denomination, church history and what "katholikós" means and you are going against the rules of the CF. This is not true apologetics. Furthermore, these words of Jesus have been true for 2,000 years:

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

Your gates cannot come against the eastern nor western holy, catholic and apostolic churches. The way we take is directly from the apostles as they took it from Jesus. As you put this publicly, I will also say this publicly. I sense your extreme worry about us...at least you and the other's fear might be coming from genuine concern but please know, our souls are fine and, speaking for myself, I am not going to leave the Church from your attempts to strike fear. They are highly ineffective. Please stop promoting fear, distrust and error.

@Shimmie and other admins, please do something about this. It is enough! People were warned against such types of condemnator communication in the CF before and it's high time that something is done about this today. We are mainstream Christians, not a cult and certainly not some "Whore of Babylon." Remember, all the members who do not charge us as "pagans" etc. also were condemned in her posts.

I respect your disagreement, and I am in agreement with the thread being closed since is a violation of the CF rules. Take care.
 

kanozas

se ven las caras pero nunca el corazón
I have to admit that I just read one of your posts in its entirety and I thank you for your gracious manner (post #5). I'd like to say that I don't go around telling people that their religion is wrong. There's a reason for it...it's contained in the catechism (I'll check the no. later as it's a huge document). It goes something to the effect that there are truths in all faith (meaning, there's something true that all humans see about the world and their relationship to G-d...for ex., "G0d is powerful" or "omnipotent/omnipresent" etc.) but that right and wrong are written on the hearts of all men and G-d is supreme judge to determine who merits heaven and thus, that heaven can be attained by those who die not knowing Jesus (and through His Church) if they lived out the truth according to what they were given regarding knowledge of G-d. In other words, yes, Jesus is the way (we don't know how He reveals Himself at that point or after to all men) to heaven, certainly. We may not now be aware of such. I don't proselytize people as it is against their human dignity. It does me nothing to assert that someone is wicked or demonic or going to hell. Of course, when someone has committed a heinous crime, you notice and can assume there is evil involvement, obviously. But I do not apply that to people whose experiences differ from my own religiously or culturally. It is an overstep. Yet, we are to spread the gospel. That is achieved primarily through how we live. Are any of us perfect? No. Are we to judge? Yes, between right and wrong and that which is harmful to our souls and that which is not. Are we to callously judge others? No, but we can make distinctions about things that are dangerous to us. So, I comprehend where you are coming from regarding your fear for us.

With that said, I'd like to say to you and others that it is just as easy to Google, in contrast and fairly, "catholicism a right religion" and many things that are catholic-sourced will come up. The danger is finding something that appeals to one's suspicions rather than looking at the source. I always like to explain that, if I were to learn about Hinduism (maybe I'm taking a course on religion at uni), the faith's documents itself are the source one should search and not anti-Hinduism. One cannot make a fair assessment of anything from a one-sided argument that refuses to go to the source and just relies upon building over anti- discourses that appease one's suspicions emotionally. I could say, "the sky is blue" and someone who is anti-me could say, "no, the sky is pink" but I'm the only one not color blind. Poor analogy lol, I'm tired. So if one starts off as "I care for you but your eyesight is false" and you expect there not to be contention, well, that's still asking for it.

Thank you for your explanation. I know you mean well. I'd say that, if you are interested in anti-catholicism apologetics, do it like theologians do....go to the source. You might be very surprised at what you find. You don't have to close this thread. Let other people make decisions for themselves. This is one thing that attracted me to the Roman Catholic Church - nobody pushed, nobody spat bible verses at me, nobody dared proclaim in the place of G-d, "you're going to hell." They were very gentle and secure in their faith. Rather than bible-beating me (like my dorm neighbor at McCollum hall , lordie lordie haha), condemning me at almost every junction, catholics, like my roommate, asked me to attend mass with them WHEN I SHOWED INTEREST in what they believed. There was no coercion whatsoever. Honestly, it was a beautiful transition that took years. And it was all of my own volition, knowledge and STUDY. :bighug:So, maybe this thread is a little better? I see your heart. But please know, you can't start with, "hey, I see you're false, let's discuss." It just ain't gonna work and, of course, we know we aren't false at all.

To others in addressing any further concerns: I am not demonic, am not part and parcel of any satanic minions, do not worship the devil, am no jezebel, immoral, fornicator, don't live an unrighteous life, am truthful, am faithful, am flawed and have lots of chutzpah as you all well know j/s to get it all out lol.
 
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BeautyByYasmine

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I have to admit that I just read one of your posts in its entirety and I thank you for your gracious manner (post #5). I'd like to say that I don't go around telling people that their religion is wrong. There's a reason for it...it's contained in the catechism (I'll check the no. later as it's a huge document). It goes something to the effect that there are truths in all faith (meaning, there's something true that all humans see about the world and their relationship to G-d...for ex., "G0d is powerful" or "omnipotent/omnipresent" etc.) but that right and wrong are written on the hearts of all men and G-d is supreme judge to determine who merits heaven and thus, that heaven can be attained by those who die not knowing Jesus (and through His Church) if they lived out the truth according to what they were given regarding knowledge of G-d. In other words, yes, Jesus is the way (we don't know how He reveals Himself at that point or after to all men) to heaven, certainly. We may not now be aware of such. I don't proselytize people as it is against their human dignity. It does me nothing to assert that someone is wicked or demonic or going to hell. Of course, when someone has committed a heinous crime, you notice and can assume there is evil involvement, obviously. But I do not apply that to people whose experiences differ from my own religiously or culturally. It is an overstep. Yet, we are to spread the gospel. That is achieved primarily through how we live. Are any of us perfect? No. Are we to judge? Yes, between right and wrong and that which is harmful to our souls and that which is not. Are we to callously judge others? No, but we can make distinctions about things that are dangerous to us. So, I comprehend where you are coming from regarding your fear for us.

With that said, I'd like to say to you and others that it is just as easy to Google, in contrast and fairly, "catholicism a right religion" and many things that are catholic-sourced will come up. The danger is finding something that appeals to one's suspicions rather than looking at the source. I always like to explain that, if I were to learn about Hinduism (maybe I'm taking a course on religion at uni), the faith's documents itself are the source one should search and not anti-Hinduism. One cannot make a fair assessment of anything from a one-sided argument that refuses to go to the source and just relies upon building over anti- discourses that appease one's suspicions emotionally. I could say, "the sky is blue" and someone who is anti-me could say, "no, the sky is pink" but I'm the only one not color blind. Poor analogy lol, I'm tired. So if one starts off as "I care for you but your eyesight is false" and you expect there not to be contention, well, that's still asking for it.

Thank you for your explanation. I know you mean well. I'd say that, if you are interested in anti-catholicism apologetics, do it like theologians do....go to the source. You might be very surprised at what you find. You don't have to close this thread. Let other people make decisions for themselves. This is one thing that attracted me to the Roman Catholic Church - nobody pushed, nobody spat bible verses at me, nobody dared proclaim in the place of G-d, "you're going to hell." They were very gentle and secure in their faith. Rather than bible-beating me (like my dorm neighbor at McCollum hall , lordie lordie haha), condemning me at almost every junction, catholics like my roommate asked me to attend mass with them WHEN I SHOWED INTEREST in what they believed. There was no coercion whatsoever. Honestly, it was a beautiful transition that took years. And it was all of my own volition, knowledge and STUDY. :bighug:So, maybe this thread is a little better? I see your heart. But please know, you can't start with, "hey, I see you're false, let's discuss." It just ain't gonna work and, of course, we know we aren't false at all.

To others in addressing any further concerns: I am not demonic, am not part and parcel of any satanic minions, do not worship the devil, am no jezebel, immoral, fornicator, don't live an unrighteous life, am truthful, am faithful, am flawed and have lots of chutzpah as you all well know j/s to get it all out lol.
I have to admit that I just read one of your posts in its entirety and I thank you for your gracious manner (post #5). I'd like to say that I don't go around telling people that their religion is wrong. There's a reason for it...it's contained in the catechism (I'll check the no. later as it's a huge document). It goes something to the effect that there are truths in all faith (meaning, there's something true that all humans see about the world and their relationship to G-d...for ex., "G0d is powerful" or "omnipotent/omnipresent" etc.) but that right and wrong are written on the hearts of all men and G-d is supreme judge to determine who merits heaven and thus, that heaven can be attained by those who die not knowing Jesus (and through His Church) if they lived out the truth according to what they were given regarding knowledge of G-d. In other words, yes, Jesus is the way (we don't know how He reveals Himself at that point or after to all men) to heaven, certainly. We may not now be aware of such. I don't proselytize people as it is against their human dignity. It does me nothing to assert that someone is wicked or demonic or going to hell. Of course, when someone has committed a heinous crime, you notice and can assume there is evil involvement, obviously. But I do not apply that to people whose experiences differ from my own religiously or culturally. It is an overstep. Yet, we are to spread the gospel. That is achieved primarily through how we live. Are any of us perfect? No. Are we to judge? Yes, between right and wrong and that which is harmful to our souls and that which is not. Are we to callously judge others? No, but we can make distinctions about things that are dangerous to us. So, I comprehend where you are coming from regarding your fear for us.

With that said, I'd like to say to you and others that it is just as easy to Google, in contrast and fairly, "catholicism a right religion" and many things that are catholic-sourced will come up. The danger is finding something that appeals to one's suspicions rather than looking at the source. I always like to explain that, if I were to learn about Hinduism (maybe I'm taking a course on religion at uni), the faith's documents itself are the source one should search and not anti-Hinduism. One cannot make a fair assessment of anything from a one-sided argument that refuses to go to the source and just relies upon building over anti- discourses that appease one's suspicions emotionally. I could say, "the sky is blue" and someone who is anti-me could say, "no, the sky is pink" but I'm the only one not color blind. Poor analogy lol, I'm tired. So if one starts off as "I care for you but your eyesight is false" and you expect there not to be contention, well, that's still asking for it.

Thank you for your explanation. I know you mean well. I'd say that, if you are interested in anti-catholicism apologetics, do it like theologians do....go to the source. You might be very surprised at what you find. You don't have to close this thread. Let other people make decisions for themselves. This is one thing that attracted me to the Roman Catholic Church - nobody pushed, nobody spat bible verses at me, nobody dared proclaim in the place of G-d, "you're going to hell." They were very gentle and secure in their faith. Rather than bible-beating me (like my dorm neighbor at McCollum hall , lordie lordie haha), condemning me at almost every junction, catholics like my roommate asked me to attend mass with them WHEN I SHOWED INTEREST in what they believed. There was no coercion whatsoever. Honestly, it was a beautiful transition that took years. And it was all of my own volition, knowledge and STUDY. :bighug:So, maybe this thread is a little better? I see your heart. But please know, you can't start with, "hey, I see you're false, let's discuss." It just ain't gonna work and, of course, we know we aren't false at all.

To others in addressing any further concerns: I am not demonic, am not part and parcel of any satanic minions, do not worship the devil, am no jezebel, immoral, fornicator, don't live an unrighteous life, am truthful, am faithful, am flawed and have lots of chutzpah as you all well know j/s to get it all out lol.
I have to admit that I just read one of your posts in its entirety and I thank you for your gracious manner (post #5). I'd like to say that I don't go around telling people that their religion is wrong. There's a reason for it...it's contained in the catechism (I'll check the no. later as it's a huge document). It goes something to the effect that there are truths in all faith (meaning, there's something true that all humans see about the world and their relationship to G-d...for ex., "G0d is powerful" or "omnipotent/omnipresent" etc.) but that right and wrong are written on the hearts of all men and G-d is supreme judge to determine who merits heaven and thus, that heaven can be attained by those who die not knowing Jesus (and through His Church) if they lived out the truth according to what they were given regarding knowledge of G-d. In other words, yes, Jesus is the way (we don't know how He reveals Himself at that point or after to all men) to heaven, certainly. We may not now be aware of such. I don't proselytize people as it is against their human dignity. It does me nothing to assert that someone is wicked or demonic or going to hell. Of course, when someone has committed a heinous crime, you notice and can assume there is evil involvement, obviously. But I do not apply that to people whose experiences differ from my own religiously or culturally. It is an overstep. Yet, we are to spread the gospel. That is achieved primarily through how we live. Are any of us perfect? No. Are we to judge? Yes, between right and wrong and that which is harmful to our souls and that which is not. Are we to callously judge others? No, but we can make distinctions about things that are dangerous to us. So, I comprehend where you are coming from regarding your fear for us.

With that said, I'd like to say to you and others that it is just as easy to Google, in contrast and fairly, "catholicism a right religion" and many things that are catholic-sourced will come up. The danger is finding something that appeals to one's suspicions rather than looking at the source. I always like to explain that, if I were to learn about Hinduism (maybe I'm taking a course on religion at uni), the faith's documents itself are the source one should search and not anti-Hinduism. One cannot make a fair assessment of anything from a one-sided argument that refuses to go to the source and just relies upon building over anti- discourses that appease one's suspicions emotionally. I could say, "the sky is blue" and someone who is anti-me could say, "no, the sky is pink" but I'm the only one not color blind. Poor analogy lol, I'm tired. So if one starts off as "I care for you but your eyesight is false" and you expect there not to be contention, well, that's still asking for it.

Thank you for your explanation. I know you mean well. I'd say that, if you are interested in anti-catholicism apologetics, do it like theologians do....go to the source. You might be very surprised at what you find. You don't have to close this thread. Let other people make decisions for themselves. This is one thing that attracted me to the Roman Catholic Church - nobody pushed, nobody spat bible verses at me, nobody dared proclaim in the place of G-d, "you're going to hell." They were very gentle and secure in their faith. Rather than bible-beating me (like my dorm neighbor at McCollum hall , lordie lordie haha), condemning me at almost every junction, catholics like my roommate asked me to attend mass with them WHEN I SHOWED INTEREST in what they believed. There was no coercion whatsoever. Honestly, it was a beautiful transition that took years. And it was all of my own volition, knowledge and STUDY. :bighug:So, maybe this thread is a little better? I see your heart. But please know, you can't start with, "hey, I see you're false, let's discuss." It just ain't gonna work and, of course, we know we aren't false at all.

To others in addressing any further concerns: I am not demonic, am not part and parcel of any satanic minions, do not worship the devil, am no jezebel, immoral, fornicator, don't live an unrighteous life, am truthful, am faithful, am flawed and have lots of chutzpah as you all well know j/s to get it all out lol.

@kanozas, Whoa, your posts are longer than mine girlie. I understand where you are coming from, and thanks for explaining it fully. There also appear to be some differences on how the gospel is shared maybe with you personally or culturally in your religion, so I thank you for sharing that. The same may be true for others that maybe you have bumped into too. I like what you said about God knowing who and how we make it in. He is the author and finisher of faith.:bighug:
 

Lucia

Well-Known Member
I have to admit that I just read one of your posts in its entirety and I thank you for your gracious manner (post #5). I'd like to say that I don't go around telling people that their religion is wrong. There's a reason for it...it's contained in the catechism (I'll check the no. later as it's a huge document). It goes something to the effect that there are truths in all faith (meaning, there's something true that all humans see about the world and their relationship to G-d...for ex., "G0d is powerful" or "omnipotent/omnipresent" etc.) but that right and wrong are written on the hearts of all men and G-d is supreme judge to determine who merits heaven and thus, that heaven can be attained by those who die not knowing Jesus (and through His Church) if they lived out the truth according to what they were given regarding knowledge of G-d. In other words, yes, Jesus is the way (we don't know how He reveals Himself at that point or after to all men) to heaven, certainly. We may not now be aware of such. I don't proselytize people as it is against their human dignity. It does me nothing to assert that someone is wicked or demonic or going to hell. Of course, when someone has committed a heinous crime, you notice and can assume there is evil involvement, obviously. But I do not apply that to people whose experiences differ from my own religiously or culturally. It is an overstep. Yet, we are to spread the gospel. That is achieved primarily through how we live. Are any of us perfect? No. Are we to judge? Yes, between right and wrong and that which is harmful to our souls and that which is not. Are we to callously judge others? No, but we can make distinctions about things that are dangerous to us. So, I comprehend where you are coming from regarding your fear for us.

With that said, I'd like to say to you and others that it is just as easy to Google, in contrast and fairly, "catholicism a right religion" and many things that are catholic-sourced will come up. The danger is finding something that appeals to one's suspicions rather than looking at the source. I always like to explain that, if I were to learn about Hinduism (maybe I'm taking a course on religion at uni), the faith's documents itself are the source one should search and not anti-Hinduism. One cannot make a fair assessment of anything from a one-sided argument that refuses to go to the source and just relies upon building over anti- discourses that appease one's suspicions emotionally. I could say, "the sky is blue" and someone who is anti-me could say, "no, the sky is pink" but I'm the only one not color blind. Poor analogy lol, I'm tired. So if one starts off as "I care for you but your eyesight is false" and you expect there not to be contention, well, that's still asking for it.

Thank you for your explanation. I know you mean well. I'd say that, if you are interested in anti-catholicism apologetics, do it like theologians do....go to the source. You might be very surprised at what you find. You don't have to close this thread. Let other people make decisions for themselves. This is one thing that attracted me to the Roman Catholic Church - nobody pushed, nobody spat bible verses at me, nobody dared proclaim in the place of G-d, "you're going to hell." They were very gentle and secure in their faith. Rather than bible-beating me (like my dorm neighbor at McCollum hall , lordie lordie haha), condemning me at almost every junction, catholics like my roommate asked me to attend mass with them WHEN I SHOWED INTEREST in what they believed. There was no coercion whatsoever. Honestly, it was a beautiful transition that took years. And it was all of my own volition, knowledge and STUDY. :bighug:So, maybe this thread is a little better? I see your heart. But please know, you can't start with, "hey, I see you're false, let's discuss." It just ain't gonna work and, of course, we know we aren't false at all.

To others in addressing any further concerns: I am not demonic, am not part and parcel of any satanic minions, do not worship the devil, am no jezebel, immoral, fornicator, don't live an unrighteous life, am truthful, am faithful, am flawed and have lots of chutzpah as you all well know j/s to get it all out lol.

Well said.
 

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
Staff member
@BeautyByYasmine ...

I finally had time to read your original post and I can clearly see the love in your heart as you were sharing. You were not attempting to be offensive.

Right now, I'm trying to bring everyone together in peace, in spite of the differences in denominations. The thread was closed for that reason only.

Take care. I mean this sincerely. I hope and pray that you continue to post as you do have much love and encouragement to share with everyone.

Shimmie... :love2:
 
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