Keratin Treatment Support Thread

foxee

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Tip:

Use a spray bottle to apply the BKT solution to the sections. Quicker, less messy. There are brands in spray bottles now.

This will prevent me from being so heavy handed. Last weekend I BKT'd with Encanto for the 3rd time. I applied way too much with a tinting brush and nearly choked to death! Anyway, thanks for the tip!
 

sunbubbles

Active Member
WOW! Quickie Update! Ive been working on my BKT since 7:30 this morning! (Its now 10:35:ohwell:) That doesnt suprise me though because my hair is STUPID dense! Im using softliss, and I just finished 1/4 of my hair............... (I didnt stutter! I said 1/4!!:lachen:) Im obviously going slow. One thing I did notice so far is that even though my hair is not shiny with the softliss, its MEGA soft. Its STILL puffy tho!! :perplexed
Oh well I guess I should quit stalling and get back to attacking this head. I just needed a beak.*sigh* its gonna be a long day.
Ill be back later with my wash out results. Im interested loosening up my kink, moreso than having stick straight hair. I know I probably wont acheive my full expectations until the 2nd or 3rd application.

ETA: My hair is 4B "Motherland" Natural :spinning:
 

lilikoi

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One thing I did notice so far is that even though my hair is not shiny with the softliss, its MEGA soft. Its STILL puffy tho!! :perplexed

What temperature are you using? and how many passes? The puffiness might mean you need to adjust your technique: higher temp, more passes, or thinner section (or all of the above!).

Good luck with the rest of the process. And please post pics of your results!
 

sheba1

New Member
How did your hair turn out, Sunbubbles? My hair is usually pretty puffy and somewhat stiff with BKT in, also. But much silkier and straighter when I straighten my hair once the product is out.
 

sheba1

New Member
Tip:

Use a spray bottle to apply the BKT solution to the sections. Quicker, less messy. There are brands in spray bottles now.

This will prevent me from being so heavy handed. Last weekend I BKT'd with Encanto for the 3rd time. I applied way too much with a tinting brush and nearly choked to death! Anyway, thanks for the tip!

Volver_Alma_Gitana and foxee any idea how we might dilute the product to be able to use a spray bottle? Have you tried it this way? I'm interested in the ease of application that might come with a spray BKT application.
 

sunbubbles

Active Member
Hey Ladies! So I finished my BKT yesterday at 3:30pm on the dot! (A total of 8hrs) I'm not suprised that it took me that long. I lost a huge fistful of hair, but I suppose that's mostly my fault since I haven't fully detangled my hair in almost 6 mths!!! (Tsk tsk, I know) My Review is below, Ill add pics later on today!

BKT PRODUCT: Softliss Morango

APPLICATION TIME: 8 hrs (7:30am-3:30pm)

HAIR BACKGROUND: 4B (1 small patch of 4A in the back) Natural, Spongy, Medium-Fine, APL
I love my natural hair, but the longer it gets, the more difficult it is to do simple things, like put in chunky braids. Lol. I, definitely ready for a change, so at this point I don't particularly care if it makes it straight or not. Ill probably be BKT'ing and bunning to my hair goals.

REVIEW: So, I clarified my hair the night before, banded it and let it airdry over night (instead of the 1st blowdry). Maybe this was part of the reason I lost hair (my hair was still in a giant knot even tho I banded it). I put my hair in 4 quarters, and worked on 1 section at a time. By the time I went to the 2nd quarter, I could immediately tell, that I had applied too much BKT on the 1st quarter (it started to swell not too long after I flatironed.) But the 2nd quarter was much smoother. My eyes burned when I was applying the BKT to the front sections of my hair, but they didn't burn when I flat ironed. After I had finished my hair was still poofy as usual. BUT............. The softness was unreal. I could definitely notice a difference, from the 1st flatiron alone. I had to run some errands, so I didn't end up washing out until 5 pm.

CONCLUSION: I'm sold!!! NO, My hair is not straight (by any means), NO my hair is not curly (but it isn't by nature), NO my initial flatiron session was not straight), BUT I LOVED IT WHEN I WASHED IT OUT!!!! My hair looks like an old braid out. LOL, or kinda like hair that's been stretched. That's EXACTLY what I wanted. I plan on doing another treatment on Monday.(in 2 days) I know it'll take a few application before I'm completely satisfied. It was so EASY to put my hair in a puff this morning. And its SO soft. I copied SHEBA1 and used some Aussie Moist for my puff. So since I'm pretty happy with my 1st application, I know ill be even happier with my 2nd application, Ill like it even better, because each application gets better right???
 
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sheba1

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Woohooooo!!! sunbubbles, I'm so very happy your BKT application was a SUCCESS!!!! :woot:

I can't believe you have so much hair that it took sooooo long! But you made it through. Go girl! And without any help, to boot! You are the woman :yep:

How do you like the Aussie moist? If I want a lot of hold I'll use a clear gel on top of that, but I always have my aussie in there first. I experimented with some other products for my wash n go when I started back to WGOs this summer. Why oh why did I do that? It's ok, I found my way back to my staple wash n go product, once again. :love2:

I'm so happy for you, once again. Enjoy your hair. Can't wait to see :pics: later. :bighug:
 

foxee

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Volver_Alma_Gitana and foxee any idea how we might dilute the product to be able to use a spray bottle? Have you tried it this way? I'm interested in the ease of application that might come with a spray BKT application.

The brand I use (Encanto) is sort of watery so I think this will work perfectly. However other brands can be pretty creamy (like DH). I'd love to know the answer as well. I wonder if it's safe to add a small amount of water to BKT?
 

MarieB

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I did a new BKT with the last of my Global on Tuesday, and it was the fastest I have ever made it through the whole process (amazing how much I can get done when the house is empty). I think it took me a total of maybe 3 hours as opposed to the usual 4 or 5, with several breaks in between (my flat iron goes to 450, but it will shut off after a while at that temp, so I have a built-in automatic break schedule). Sorry no pics right now because I'm on a boat, but I can't wait until I can wash and see how I did. Right now (Day 4) it's looking decidedly plasticky (is that a word? Spellcheck says it isn't, but it also tells me that I'm misspelling my own last name). I will try to get pics next week, just because I haven't posted any in such a long time.
 
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Vintageglam

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Ladies just a quick question do any of you use a hot comb before using a flat iron. I did this last week when I did my BKT and it allowed me to flat iron much more easily and left with me with shinier blinging hair.
 

crr0121

New Member
Ok, so the attachment button is working for me again, YAY!!! So I'll go ahead and post BKT results here. First pic is previous straight hair, second is natural hair airdried and fingerstyled w/ he ltr leave in, third is blowdried section of bkt, fourth and on is bkt results after flat ironing. Thanks again @sheba1 for letting me borrow your space. Also, I went ahead and washed yesterday, didn't wait the extra days, and I loved my natural waves now. The texture has definitely been loosened and elongated. I still went ahead and flat ironed it though and it's still silky straight. I have pics of all that too but they're not on the computer and I'm too tired to hook up the camera so those pics will come soon though. But I am still very satisfied with bkt.

p.s. I finally figured out the "mention" button, I'm a little behind sometimes :spinning:
 

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sunbubbles

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Hey Ladies I updated my Fotki with my BKT results. Im in LUUURRRRVVEEE!!! I think I just found my new best friend! LOL

Sheba, I LOVE the aussie moist! It leaves my hair so soft!, and I responded to ur PM.

So ladies, did anyone figure out if its safe to do the steam treaments, or if that'll wear the BKT off faster????
 

Rei

New Member
So a little while ago I tried DH (purchased from lilikoi, thank you!). As I complained about in another thread, it did not make my hair straight, but that might have been just my technique. I had all but given it up when I washed my hair, braided like I usually do, and then took it out to do twists. Now usually for my supershrinky 4b hair, I have to braid after I wash to stretch, then I wear twists for a couple of days to get a really stretched twistout. This time :eek: I had a decently stretched (lol for my hair, it never goes past this point despite the fact that my hair is APL) braid/twistout right after airdrying! I was so pleased that I didn't have to stretch for forever and a day just so it doesn't shrink up into a fro. :) So even if I didn't get the silky shiny results like the rest of you girls, I'm still happy with the reduction in detangling and work.


 

nissi

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Hi ladies!

Well, I am here to report a BKT success story, courtesy of the gracious sipp100 :rosebud:, who turned me on to the Keratina! She kindly sent me a 1.5 oz sample to take care of a section of hair, but because my hair is only approaching APL, I was able to cover the entire head! :clap:

Looking at these pictures and after all the blowdrying (sorry for the quality, Blackberry bites!), I realized I was completely in denial about how trashed I have let my hair become! But the protective qualities of the BKT is what I was after, and it definitely kicked in, especially on my ends! Like night and day even though I definitely have to trim eventually!

My hair is so straight compared to the usual with my Linange perm! Sipp just like I told you, I couldn't get into the church door good before the folks were asking me what I did! The results compared to my hairdresser from my hometown who always gets me compliments due to her insane amount of heat she has to use! But now I can do it myself and not worry about heat damage!

My hair is soooo soft! Like luscious thickish soft! And stronger! When I run my fingers through my hair, no snags and popping! It actually feels coated -- in a good way! Like sealed and protected! I think I can transition out of relaxers with this!

Cons:
- The fumes! It is truly not a game! When I was applying it on the blowdried hair, my eyes were eventually burning by the time I finished! Next time: googles! Also, the fumes in my throat! Whooo!
- Sipp warned me to use gloves if my skin was sensitive, but I was so excited I ripped the gloves off and started working! Uh, next time will be another matter! Whatever form of aldehyde they do use made my fingers a tad numb (felt pickled) when I was finished!
- During applications, a little bit hit my scalp, which sipp strongly cautioned me against, and I see why!
- The day after, neck and face were a little itchy due to my sensitive skin....
- Non chemical related: The irritation of finding ways to keep the hair straight and in place for 3 days! And also off my neck!

So without further ado, the pics!

Wet hair (looked drunk, it was late):


Blowdried (whoo, ends look wrecked!)_


Finished!


Better View:


Compare straightness to Linange perm from 7/15:


Length Check (inching up to APL!):



That's all folks! So in a nutshell, I love this stuff, but on the hunt for something with less fumes/chemicals that my sensitive skin can tolerate. Feedback requested sheba1 and the rest of the BKT veterans at your convenience! HHG!
 
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sunbubbles

Active Member
Ok I have officially decided to texlax my hair. Can anyone tell me how long I should wait b4 I texlax?? Should I wait until the BKT wears off? I just did my 2nd one 2 days ago. It would be a virgin texlax (Im 100% natural)
Im wondering if I should just wait because since my hair would be stretched out from the BKT, wouldnt it be hard to guage exactly what my "texlaxed" hair W/O the BKT would look like?? Or does it really not matter? (because I plan on BKTING from here on out) ???? Help please
 

lilikoi

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Im wondering if I should just wait because since my hair would be stretched out from the BKT, wouldnt it be hard to guage exactly what my "texlaxed" hair W/O the BKT would look like?? Or does it really not matter? (because I plan on BKTING from here on out) ???? Help please


I can't advise you on when to do the texlax--I've haven't done any relaxers since I started to do BKT.

Just want to warn you that if you BKT over texlaxed hair it will get pretty much bone straight. If straightness is what you're after then it's no problem. But if you want to keep some texture I wouldn't advise it.
 

LadyPBC

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Hello everyone I'm back (only on page 65 out of 187 so don't kill me for my comments or questions). Before I was going to try the KeraSmooth but had second thoughts thanks to one of the posters. Now I have an appt at a professional salon (with a pale skin) for the Global Keratin Treatment - I'm torn between 0% and 2% formaldehyde. I have a heat phobia so I'm a little nervous. I'm natural with fairly healthy shoulder length (armpit when I stretch in some spots - yay me!).

I henna and I'm going to do that this weekend. The stylist said it is okay to do a day before if I want but definitely before because afterwards would strip the BKT. My appointment is next Thurs. She also said that she could apply the Global on wet hair - yay. She uses the brush application method. She likes the smell (chocolate). She flatirons on 450 degrees (eww) but explained that its becuz she is sealing in the keratin - know but eew. Afterwards I will have to wait 2 days before I can wash.

I don't necessarily want straight hair, I would prefer wearing my coily texture, but I want a nice blowdry if I ever decide to do one, I'd like to reduce frizz and I want the strength the keratin offers.Just wondering if anyone has any helpful hints for me? How should I prepare? I was thinking of asking her to wash in sections or should I just trust? I was thinking about asking her to lower the temp to 430 degrees for the flatironing or should I just go with the flow. She recommends the 'after care' products in this upscale salon (of course) should I or just use a less expensive product that's acceptable for colored hair? That's all for now - I welcome any and all (especially Global users) feedback, suggestions, recommendations, criticisms etc. Of course Sheba1 I expect you to chime in. Peace and blessings to you all!
 
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JustKiya

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Oh my gods, I'm finally DONE with this thread!!! :lol: I've read all 3,740 posts, and I'm more convinced than ever that I want to BKT.

Okay, first an introduction. I have fine, 100% virgin 4something hair - coils show up when I leave it alone, but I almost never do because the tangles and knots are SCARY.
I've been growing for a little over 4 years, and just recently cut it back to a little below shoulder from APL.
Honestly, I'm BORED with my hair. I'd like to wear it out and coily more, but with the knots and tangles, it's sooooo bad for my retention.
I also wanna color my hair, which I did at the start of my hair journey, and I think that I know enough about my hair now to be able to do it healthily.
I've also never used heat on my hair besides steam treatments. I was hennaing for a while, but I haven't done that in at least 6 months.

Sooooo. After seeing Sheba's hair in another thread I started PM'ing her, and then decided to plunge into this thread, and after reading all the pro's and con's - I think I'm ready to take the plunge. The fact that I can use a KiyaFizzle to strip it if I totally hate it is a perk, too.

I'm going to get the Izunami flat iron, lift and color at home (I'm very comfy with dying my own hair) - but I've no CLUE which BKT to get.
Sheba uses Global 2%. AtlantaJJ suggested QOD Gold. The Coppola treatment caught my eye. Basically, I want something that takes me from my current 75-85% shrinkage to something closer to 45-60% without too many fumes, and preferably in a same day washout formula. I don't plan on wearing it straight at all - I just want it colored, strong, and with less dry shrinkage.

ETA: Also, I don't use shampoo. I clean my hair with ayurvedic herbs (amla, shikaiki, fo-ti) mixed in with conditioner. Based on what I've read, using these might strip it off faster? If so, any suggestions for a GENTLE shampoo that I can use, or could I continue to mainly co-wash and shampoo infrequently?

So, ladies - brand suggestions? Price isn't a huge issue but I do need a brand that I don't need a license to buy. I'm also pretty comfy with TOTALLY messing my hair up and having to cut and start over.

Thanks for any help/suggestions/recommendations/words of wisdom.

K. :peace:
 
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lilikoi

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My GLOB BKT results, PART 1

OK ladies, I received my GLOB BKT (G L O B A L keratin with J U V E X I N ), tried it and LOVED IT!!!!

My background: This is my BKT #8? (I really haven't kept good track) in about a year. My hair is 4a fine to med silky to cottony around the perimeter and 4b coarse, wiry on the front/crown. I've been transitioning with BKT and am now 100% relaxer free!

I used the “resistant” or “coarse” formula in strawberry. This has 4% formaldehyde. Anything less than that and my hair just laughs! As you’ll see in the pics, I’m nowhere near loosing all my texture after all these treatments.

I have a ton of pictures to share so I’m dividing this post into four parts.

Here’s PART 1:

The Process

Flat iron set @375-410 for the most part. Did the coarse seaction at 450.











Ended up using twice this amount.





It felt sticky, coated, rough and STIFF after the blowdry...







Final results





But the best is yet to come...(give me a few minutes)

(TO BE CONTINUED)
 
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lilikoi

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My GLOB BKT results, PART 2


So this is where I started feeling the love!:yep:

After I rinsed the product (two days later) I couldn't believe my eyes--I had bouncy, loose curls!! (except on my crown:ohwell:)

These are aftr rinsing, no shampoo








The top of my head will not curl. No matter what. It looks more texlaxed than anything, but that's ok.







After shampoo, with conditioner left on



















At this point I was a very happy camper, but wait for the dry results...

(TO BE CONTINUED)
 

lilikoi

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My GLOB BKT results, PART 3--Dry hair and the morning after...

Drying. Next pics show 50, 75, and 90% dry, respectively








100% dry (I left the conditioner on)


I really tried not to disturb my hair while drying but you can tell I was playing in there:look: :grin:





The morning after, before styling...



Since I've overlapped treatments some areas are a bit overprocessed (straighter) and my hair looks sort of texlaxed when dry. This is not a bad thing for me. But thought some of you might want to know. I'm planning on avoiding the ends next time...






There's a few more pics coming up, Stay tuned...
 
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lilikoi

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My GLOB BKT results, PART 4--How I'm wearing my hair (because I'm boring...)

I combed to detangle, sprayed with water, applied a bit of my coconut/hemp oil mix, added a drop of Sebastian's Potion 9, and slicked it back into a mini-pony. Before this treatment, it would've taken literally 1/2 cup of ecostyler gel (clear) to slick my hair down. I was amazed by how easy this was...
















So there's the story. Hope I didn't overdo it with the pictures!
 
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JustKiya

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Thanks for all the pictures!! Do you think the crown got so much straighter because of the different temps, or because of the different texture?
 

lilikoi

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Thanks for all the pictures!! Do you think the crown got so much straighter because of the different temps, or because of the different texture?

From the start (previous BKTs) the crown has reacted different than the rest of my hair, regardless of temperature or BKT brand. It's a texture thing. The strands are very flat, thick and strong. It really resembles thin wire (think slinky). BKTs only stretch it out, but it doesn't make it silky. The back of my head is very tightly coiled 4b, but rather silky texture, so it reacts differently. My 4a areas get super loose and can be dry bone straight (ponytail or rollers) without heat!

I'm a bit annoyed I don't have uniform texture because I wanted to wash and go without having to braid, curl, or pull back the front. But it's no biggie. I think it will be easier to handle the differences when it get longer. Besides, I'm planning on wearing mostly ponies, mini-buns. This hair needs to GROW!
 

sheba1

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Oh my gods, I'm finally DONE with this thread!!! :lol: I've read all 3,740 posts, and I'm more convinced than ever that I want to BKT.

OMG, Kiya, I can't believe you read every single page! :lol: You are a woman on a mission!

Okay, first an introduction. I have fine, 100% virgin 4something hair - coils show up when I leave it alone, but I almost never do because the tangles and knots are SCARY.
I've been growing for a little over 4 years, and just recently cut it back to a little below shoulder from APL.
Honestly, I'm BORED with my hair. I'd like to wear it out and coily more, but with the knots and tangles, it's sooooo bad for my retention.
I also wanna color my hair, which I did at the start of my hair journey, and I think that I know enough about my hair now to be able to do it healthily.
I've also never used heat on my hair besides steam treatments. I was hennaing for a while, but I haven't done that in at least 6 months.

I know exactly what you mean! I honestly never had all that bad of hair care practices and I was natural for 14 years or so when I found LHCF. And I was barely SL :nono: All the while I think it was the curly q's and single strand knots holding me back. This is where BKT really shines for me. I can cowash and wash n go daily and detangle my hair only once a week if I'm BKT'd down. Sans BKT? Oh forget about it. My hair will tangle and knot and act a pure fool if I tried anything like that.

Sooooo. After seeing Sheba's hair in another thread I started PM'ing her, and then decided to plunge into this thread, and after reading all the pro's and con's - I think I'm ready to take the plunge. The fact that I can use a KiyaFizzle to strip it if I totally hate it is a perk, too.
:yep: I think this will be the perfect way to strip it, should you decide.


I'm going to get the Izunami flat iron, lift and color at home (I'm very comfy with dying my own hair) - but I've no CLUE which BKT to get.
Sheba uses Global 2%. AtlantaJJ suggested QOD Gold. The Coppola treatment caught my eye. Basically, I want something that takes me from my current 75-85% shrinkage to something closer to 45-60% without too many fumes, and preferably in a same day washout formula. I don't plan on wearing it straight at all - I just want it colored, strong, and with less dry shrinkage.

I'm not sure how much help I can be here. I've only used Global and Dreamhair. Of the two I prefer Global. I love the way my hair looks and swangs with Dreamhair still in but it doesn't seem to give the protection or have the staying power that Global had.

Also on the hunt for the one I'll use next so we're in the same boat here, I think. I'm still open to trying the Rejuvenol, Lacio 1 day, QOD gold or Global with Juvexin :spinning: Yeah... as you can see I haven't quite narrowed it down :lol:

I do know that as much as I love BKT I don't need it as much as I thought as long as I'm in my growth phase and keeping my hair protected (braided). I will depend on it a lot more once I'm at goal, however, to keep my hair straight with roller sets and silk wraps and to avoid SSKs and tangles while I rock braid outs, twist outs, wash n gos and the like.

ETA: Also, I don't use shampoo. I clean my hair with ayurvedic herbs (amla, shikaiki, fo-ti) mixed in with conditioner. Based on what I've read, using these might strip it off faster? If so, any suggestions for a GENTLE shampoo that I can use, or could I continue to mainly co-wash and shampoo infrequently?

You know, Kiya, I gave up my ayurvedic tea rinses at first, also, but I started using them (mixed with conditioner) for cowashes while I had the BKT and my hair faired quite well. You may have to apply more often (let's say once every 3 months instead of once every 6 months) but I think you'll be fine. Ordinarily I'd say henna should be ok also (providing there was enough time to restore moisture/protein balance in between hennas and BKT) but I know you'll be coloring and I'm not sure you'll want to mix those.

So, ladies - brand suggestions? Price isn't a huge issue but I do need a brand that I don't need a license to buy.

Again, I'm no help here... le sigh... I think I love them all :lol: No matter which one you decide on, however, you should be able to get it via ebay if not directly from the seller/manufacturer.

I'm also pretty comfy with TOTALLY messing my hair up and having to cut and start over.

Kiya, girlfriend, you are definitely ready for a change. You don't start saying stuff like that til you're like, "whatever, just give me something different!"

I don't think you'll totally mess it up. I think you'll have a great and wonderful hair adventure and come out with something you love a bunch on the other side :yep:

Thanks for any help/suggestions/recommendations/words of wisdom.

K. :peace:

One thing I wish I'd known in the beginning that I didn't figure out until much later is that too much of any good thing is still bad. Please don't BKT, decide that you lurrrve it :love: and start BKTing errr weekend. :lol: It's happened! It happened to me :nono:

I believe BKT is awesome and should be used responsibly. When it's all said and done I don't think anyone needs to BKT any more than every other month (which is really the most I'd recommend). I think once every 3 to 6 months is a more responsible way to use the product.

I hope you enjoy it. I can't wait to hear of your adventure. Please feel free to ask me any question that comes to mind either hear or PM.

Good luck, Kiya
 

JustKiya

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Thank you so much, Sheba!
Girl, when I start planning on something new, I try to do my research!

And yeah, the fact that I just RECENTLY made it to APL - and I know how fast my hair grows - tells me that I have a serious issue with retention. :nono: I'm hoping that the BKT will help a lot with that.

If this color works well for me, (and based on the reviews, it should!) I'll drop the henna altogether. I'm glad to hear that the ayurvedic stuff shouldn't harm it - my scalp HATES shampoo, and I'm really not looking forward to the clarifying bit. *sigh* And since I'll most likely be using some 'cones post-color, I suspect I'll have to shampoo it. Ick. Has anyone tried using baking soda/citric acid to clarify vs. shampoo?

I'm going to color my hair this weekend, and then retouch my roots right before I do the BKT (most likely in Nov). Once every 2 to 4 months sounds about right, for me - or, however long it takes for my hair to start being itself again. *lol* I'm going to be taking lots of pictures, starting tomorrow with the dye bit of things, as this will be the last time I have totally virgin hair for - who knows how long!

Hrm. I think I might go for the QOD Gold - mostly because I've already found a reseller on eBay. *lol* And it's at a reasonable price, too, for the whole kit.

*happydance* I'm REALLY excited about this change - it should be most interesting.
 
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