Black American and Asian American relations
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naturalgyrl5199
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I love Daniel Dae Kim (he fine)...and I appreciate him acknowledging that there are nuances regarding the attacks and how he acknowledges that Asians are being attacked by more than just black people. The elephant in the room is that for a long time...both blacks and Asians have been harful and hateful towards each other and scapegoated. I have had to correct my own mother who used slurs like "Ching chongs" to refer to Asians. This was accepted among her circle of adults but even as a child I wasn't having it. So there is that.
There is also something sick about people attacking folk in general as being okay. Plus we have a continuing expansion of the aging community and attacks towards them are not getting better.
We DO and SHOULD as black people address this type of treatment of others within our own communities...just like we demand Asians deal with racism towards blacks in theirs.
There is also something sick about people attacking folk in general as being okay. Plus we have a continuing expansion of the aging community and attacks towards them are not getting better.
We DO and SHOULD as black people address this type of treatment of others within our own communities...just like we demand Asians deal with racism towards blacks in theirs.
Rocky91
NYE side boob.
Black women should tread carefully here. We have been on the receiving end of anti-Black violence from Asian beauty industry folks, and we are NOT the ones perpetrating this violence against Asian elders...we ought to remain fairly silent.
It does us no good to be loud about the anti-blackness that is lurking in the undertone of this conversation on behalf of whom, exactly? Black men that brutalize Black women and girls at higher rates than these Asian folks are experiencing??
It does us no good to be loud about the anti-blackness that is lurking in the undertone of this conversation on behalf of whom, exactly? Black men that brutalize Black women and girls at higher rates than these Asian folks are experiencing??
naturalgyrl5199
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I agree BW should always tread lightly.....But I thought THIS was a safe space we can be loud to each other about our feelings. I don't feel a need to go march, repost videos and push advocacy. Other than one Asian guy on FB who is always calling out other Asians about their Anti-blackness, I've never heard another Asian speak up about Asians being racist towards black folk.
Also,
When I speak to my sister in law, mother to my black nephew....and other black mothers my age who have black sons....they are in pain. They are scared. I cannot ignore their desire to protect or be involved with things related to black men in general. I'm resigned to the fact that in varying ways, BW will never really be separated from things black men in America are involved in. Just like my husband and my brother, my nephew is somebody son attached to a BW. It is what it is. One day this group will dive into that.
Evolving78
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What do you say about BW with black sons and brothers? There are black baby boys born daily.
Rocky91
NYE side boob.
Black men and boys that aren’t related to you aren’t your responsibility. Unless it is your literal Black male family member catching a case for beating up elderly Asians, this isn’t your fight. And even in that case, I would still distance myself because what in the heck are you doing? I don’t know you.
That’s just my stance.
Evolving78
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I understand. That young man that was recently arrested while he was just walking home from work really hit home for me. I have two sons, so I have a great amount of empathy for him. I am the protector of my sons, so if there is a cause that would bring forth change, or increase safeguards for them by way of others,I would join in some way, shape, or form. Just like I would for young girls.Black men and boys that aren’t related to you aren’t your responsibility. Unless it is your literal Black male family member catching a case for beating up elderly Asians, this isn’t your fight. And even in that case, I would still distance myself because what in the heck are you doing? I don’t know you.
That’s just my stance.
CarefreeinChicago
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I am going to hell in a hand basket the way I just cackled! AA are always putting our bodies in harms way fighting for what’s right and other people just benefit from our hard workI have never heard an Asian person say boo about racism towards black people. If they are getting beaten up in the streets then I suggest they call the police. Or maybe learn some of that Kung fu like the Asians in the movies.
Look at this nonsense. The headline is “How Black People Can be Strong Allies to Asian Americans Right Now.”
www.nbcnews.com
Thousands of hate incidents against Asian people across the country have been documented by advocacy groups in the last year, ranging in severity from spitting to the unprovoked push of an 84-year-old Thai American man in San Francisco who died of his injuries a few days later. These incidents have prompted the renewal of conversations about security in Asian American neighborhoods, privilege, solidarity and even anti-Blackness in response to the violence.
That last element, activists say, devalues the decades of coalition building and allyship between Asian American and Black communities. But Russell Jeung, a professor of Asian American studies at San Francisco State University and co-founder of Stop AAPI Hate, notes that efforts to create a racial wedge between such groups only empowers the white supremacy that makes racist violence possible.
The racism overall against Asian Americans is another form of white supremacy. As Asian Americans dismantle the racism directed toward us as outsiders, we’re partnering with African Americans in dismantling how they’re racialized and oppressed,” Jeung said. “In a lot of Asian American issues, we become the wedge group to divide and conquer people of color rather than focusing on our unity and trying to dismantle the overall system. We need to dismantle white supremacy together.”
This is not lost on organizers and activists who have worked to combat this narrative for decades. With that, here are a few ways for Black people to practice solidarity and allyship with Asian American communities.
It’s important to recognize how acts of hate rely on a group’s history of neglect, oppression or violence, organizers said. Through education it becomes easier to recognize bigotry as linked to a larger history of violence, said Alvina Wong, of the Asian Pacific Environmental Network.
Education is also key to resisting the “model minority” myth, and cuts down on the idea that Asian American communities are monolithic, experts point out. There are a host of disparities within these communities. For instance, Vietnamese Americans have a much higher poverty rate than Japanese Americans, according to a 2017 report.
Try to learn history and learn about Asian American histories and cultures, the migration patterns of immigrants and refugees, and why we have an Asian population in the U.S. to begin with,” Wong said. “From there, look at the history of Asian and Black solidarity and joint struggle … the civil rights era and even the early joint labor movements. I think people could do their due diligence to seeking it out and learning it up.”
Mutual aid is a centuries-old radical political practice that emphasizes solidarity and interdependence to meet people’s basic needs. Mutual aid happens when everyday people come together to meet one another’s needs, like providing food and domestic violence resources, without relying on government power structures.
“Mutual aid is really beautiful in that it really recognizes that if I have something I can give, someone who needs it can benefit and we can all be in community together,” Wong said. “Last year, through the pandemic was a really big showing of how mutual aid is so effective, especially when our government isn’t taking care of us or investing in us and the resources that we need.”
Several mutual aid efforts have popped up across the country in response to anti-Asian sentiment and Covid-19’s devastating impact on Asian American communities. In Oakland, California, hundreds of people have volunteered to escort fearful elders on walks and errands around Chinatown. Asian and Black creatives have raisedmore than $150,000 for Asian American advocacy groups in California that serve several Asian American communities through everything from food delivery to legal help. In New York, a coalition of activists have filled refrigerators with food in Manhattan’s Chinatown.
'Join, support and donate': Coalition of minority Americans come together to dismantle hate
"A big part of how to be allies in this moment is advocating with us,” said Alvina Wong, of the Asian Pacific Environmental Network
Thousands of hate incidents against Asian people across the country have been documented by advocacy groups in the last year, ranging in severity from spitting to the unprovoked push of an 84-year-old Thai American man in San Francisco who died of his injuries a few days later. These incidents have prompted the renewal of conversations about security in Asian American neighborhoods, privilege, solidarity and even anti-Blackness in response to the violence.
That last element, activists say, devalues the decades of coalition building and allyship between Asian American and Black communities. But Russell Jeung, a professor of Asian American studies at San Francisco State University and co-founder of Stop AAPI Hate, notes that efforts to create a racial wedge between such groups only empowers the white supremacy that makes racist violence possible.
The racism overall against Asian Americans is another form of white supremacy. As Asian Americans dismantle the racism directed toward us as outsiders, we’re partnering with African Americans in dismantling how they’re racialized and oppressed,” Jeung said. “In a lot of Asian American issues, we become the wedge group to divide and conquer people of color rather than focusing on our unity and trying to dismantle the overall system. We need to dismantle white supremacy together.”
This is not lost on organizers and activists who have worked to combat this narrative for decades. With that, here are a few ways for Black people to practice solidarity and allyship with Asian American communities.
Education Is Key
It’s important to recognize how acts of hate rely on a group’s history of neglect, oppression or violence, organizers said. Through education it becomes easier to recognize bigotry as linked to a larger history of violence, said Alvina Wong, of the Asian Pacific Environmental Network.
Education is also key to resisting the “model minority” myth, and cuts down on the idea that Asian American communities are monolithic, experts point out. There are a host of disparities within these communities. For instance, Vietnamese Americans have a much higher poverty rate than Japanese Americans, according to a 2017 report.
Try to learn history and learn about Asian American histories and cultures, the migration patterns of immigrants and refugees, and why we have an Asian population in the U.S. to begin with,” Wong said. “From there, look at the history of Asian and Black solidarity and joint struggle … the civil rights era and even the early joint labor movements. I think people could do their due diligence to seeking it out and learning it up.”
Mutual Aid
Mutual aid is a centuries-old radical political practice that emphasizes solidarity and interdependence to meet people’s basic needs. Mutual aid happens when everyday people come together to meet one another’s needs, like providing food and domestic violence resources, without relying on government power structures.
“Mutual aid is really beautiful in that it really recognizes that if I have something I can give, someone who needs it can benefit and we can all be in community together,” Wong said. “Last year, through the pandemic was a really big showing of how mutual aid is so effective, especially when our government isn’t taking care of us or investing in us and the resources that we need.”
Several mutual aid efforts have popped up across the country in response to anti-Asian sentiment and Covid-19’s devastating impact on Asian American communities. In Oakland, California, hundreds of people have volunteered to escort fearful elders on walks and errands around Chinatown. Asian and Black creatives have raisedmore than $150,000 for Asian American advocacy groups in California that serve several Asian American communities through everything from food delivery to legal help. In New York, a coalition of activists have filled refrigerators with food in Manhattan’s Chinatown.
Yep, and the Asians are already trying to get more free labor from black people when their end goal is not ending white supremacy but being treated as honorary white people with privilege over black people. This is why when that Asian cop murdered a black man in his apartment building they protested his arrest and complained that he wasn’t being treated like the white cops.
I hope that black people will not be foolish enough to help them achieve that goal.
Rastafarai
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Sorry to hear of the very unfortunate event that took place in Georgia targeting Asians. Still not sure what his motive was.
ScorpioBeauty09
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The police said this morning that he had a bad day. And Long himself blames his sexual addiction.
kimpaur
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It’s amazing how prior to this tragedy the Asian Community was outright calling out Black people for attacking Asians....a white man murders 8 Asian women and now the “race doesn’t matter”
Be just as willing to go toe to toe with white supremacy or don’t even bother
And I’m also pissed off that the news is focusing so heavily on the race of the victims and not also their sex. Or how a freaking massage parlor is open 24 hours seven days a week! These women were more than likely being exploited, possibly sex trafficking victims as well but as always, women get pushed to the background.
All of this is just so frustrating
Be just as willing to go toe to toe with white supremacy or don’t even bother
And I’m also pissed off that the news is focusing so heavily on the race of the victims and not also their sex. Or how a freaking massage parlor is open 24 hours seven days a week! These women were more than likely being exploited, possibly sex trafficking victims as well but as always, women get pushed to the background.
All of this is just so frustrating
Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
This is a teachable moment if black folks will take it.
Do you see how this is called "Mutual Aid" but at face value only Asians are the ones getting the aid? That is how black people are supposed to ask for assistance in alliances. "As an ally here is specifically what you can do for us." Too many times we ask for intangible, unmeasurable, unprofitable aid and support, such as "don't be racist" or "fight white supremacy" or "show up for our march". Whereas, see how the Asians are saying hey, walk our old people to and from places and raise money. This is not new, this is what all groups we get in alliances with do because that is what groups in alliances are supposed to do, ask for what they explicitly need with out the pie in the sky aspects or the expectation that ally means new best friends.
Black Ambrosia
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Sexual addiction.
He supposedly frequented these spas but no one so far is calling it prostitution.
time.So this brainiac set out to kill women that gave him erections?Sexual addiction.
He supposedly frequented these spas but no one so far is calling it prostitution.
They should examine all the pets in the neighborhood while they're investigating.
Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
That bad day comment hit all kinda wrong when I heard it. I see this morning that people are calling for the cop who said it to be fired and I wouldn't be above signing a petition for that.
ScorpioBeauty09
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It's like the game announcer HS in Oklahoma calling black girls the N-word earlier this week, for kneeling during the national anthem and then blaming it on his diabetes when he got caught. I mean the reasons these wypipo come up with. The way this system protects wypipo is insane. Yet POCs are blamed with no hesitation even when we've done nothing wrong. It's incredible.
I am personally standing and fighting with Asian people in my community as best as I can. Some of my biggest non-black allies on all things BLM in my professional network are Asian POC. We don't have the same struggle, but I'm not about the life of struggle olympics wondering about whose life is worse that the other's.
I agree that as usual, the focus of this story is on everything and everyone but the person who committed the crime and white supremacy as the common enemy.
I agree that as usual, the focus of this story is on everything and everyone but the person who committed the crime and white supremacy as the common enemy.
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Methinks this "spa" was a whorehouse.
And the more I think about it, the more I realize they were the easiest of pickings esp if the women were being trafficked :/
I'm sure it did offer extra services that aren't on the menu.
They gave the loser what he wanted and then they had to pay his price.
It's possible he's never visited any of these establishments but his mind is so warped he was imagining what was happening inside. Wasn't he heading to FL next to wipe out the porn industry? SMH
Lots of people are just evil for no reason. If you can just go on a killing spree murdering strangers, I don't expect to understand and I'm not looking for answers to explain.
They gave the loser what he wanted and then they had to pay his price.
It's possible he's never visited any of these establishments but his mind is so warped he was imagining what was happening inside. Wasn't he heading to FL next to wipe out the porn industry? SMH
Lots of people are just evil for no reason. If you can just go on a killing spree murdering strangers, I don't expect to understand and I'm not looking for answers to explain.
BAD DAY MY BUTT!!!!
That press conference was infuriating. I've never heard a police officer do PR for a murderer before. He sounded like the suspect's attorney.
ITA with all of this and I've said the bolded here before. But I also understand Black people who are tired of being asked to put on their marching boots for people who have never even thought to do the same for Black people and never will.
MilkChocolateOne
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LivingInPeace
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I don't think any group of people should be targeted for harassment or abuse. That includes Black women who shop at beauty supply stores or go to nail shops. I can only be but so concerned about people who show my people the bare minimum of civility.
FelaShrine
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I thought I was seeing things because I was just thinking I could hve sworn that people kept implying that the anti-asian sentiments were from black people. I was like when do we have the time for all that when people are stil dealing with Karens calling the cops on black children fpr lemonade stands and the like
All this yelling for solidarity yet it was crickets from their community when it came to murder of Latasha Harlins. whatever
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