HipHop music vs Christians

[Trini"T"]

I heard it too and says murder jesus as well when played backwards.

What the hell?? This is not cool!! HOW exactly do you play a CD backwards though? Did he just rewind it? WHICH Jay-Z song was this?
With the water thing, it seems all the music that created the nice shapes were soft. Could it just have been the heavy base lines and thrashing of the metal music to make the water look so ugly? About the names and phrases affecting the water, could it have been the WAY they said the names and phrases? Nonetheless, this is interesting stuff you're presenting!

 

[Emotional_High]

What the hell?? This is not cool!! HOW exactly do you play a CD backwards though? Did he just rewind it? WHICH Jay-Z song was this?
With the water thing, it seems all the music that created the nice shapes were soft. Could it just have been the heavy base lines and thrashing of the metal music to make the water look so ugly? About the names and phrases affecting the water, could it have been the WAY they said the names and phrases? Nonetheless, this is interesting stuff you're presenting!

You have to have a program that lets you play the song backwards. It's terrible. It's not only Jay-z's songs that create evil words when listened to backwards.

About the water, How would the soft music create such perfect pictures? I maybe could understand the loud music creating such ugly patterns but how could the soft music be so beautiful? When i went to africa there were groups of people who learned and taught children how to put fires out with their minds. This world is amazing so i wouldn't doubt that certain music can create certain effects.

Did you notice that the water that had the sign "i hate you and i want to kill you" looked like a man with a gun?

My cousin and i are going to go to this centre where they can actually make peoples eye colors change right before your eyes just by the thought they put into your head. I can't wait.

 

[beyondcute]

I dont think rap music is helping us. Its demeaning and promotes negative things. As far as playign thinsg backwars, everyhting sounds bad when played backwards... And as far as sounding liek 666 or murder jesus, it wouldnt be heard unless is was played backwards... Who istens to music backwards? Did they ever try anythign other than rap backwards? What about Mary Mary? And what kida program is this that plays music backwatds? Id like to try it for myself...

 

[Emotional_High]

I will find out what program it is that you can download to play musisc backwards. Music had been played backwards for a while now to see if there are any hidden msgs.

It is not necessarily the lyrics that are negative, it's more the beat and rythm because rap beats originated from voodoo and black magic by a guy called afrikka bambata. And it gives off low energy levels. So even if you say, i don't care for the words i just like the beat...beware.

Why would a christian vocalist want low energy beats in their music? I don't know? But we are so addicted to these beats that we actually think it's amazing. I don't like the thought of christian lyrics on a voodoo beat. But, these christians don't know better, so you can't really blame them.

Then some people wonder why kirk franklyn was addicted to porn while being a good christian man....just a thought

 

[FIRESTARTER]

I dont think rap music is helping us. Its demeaning and promotes negative things. As far as playign thinsg backwars, everyhting sounds bad when played backwards... And as far as sounding liek 666 or murder jesus, it wouldnt be heard unless is was played backwards... Who istens to music backwards? Did they ever try anythign other than rap backwards? What about Mary Mary? And what kida program is this that plays music backwatds? Id like to try it for myself...

Its a subliminal message.

Anyhoo they say that back in the days people would write messages backwards and anyone who read the message would speak a curse into their life. If you watch this man's movie that he has out "The truth about hip hop" he show in there how some artist a demonic. One of Bone Thugs & Hormonies albums has a message written backwards on the backside of their cd cover. You would have to hold it up in the mirror to read it. Crazy Stuff!

READ THIS! PLEASE!

 

[FIRESTARTER]

What the hell?? This is not cool!! HOW exactly do you play a CD backwards though? Did he just rewind it? WHICH Jay-Z song was this?
With the water thing, it seems all the music that created the nice shapes were soft. Could it just have been the heavy base lines and thrashing of the metal music to make the water look so ugly? About the names and phrases affecting the water, could it have been the WAY they said the names and phrases? Nonetheless, this is interesting stuff you're presenting!

Maybe thats why Jay-Z stop making music.

Snoop said in one of his book that Satan appeared to him in one of his dreams and snoop pretty much sold himself to him and said he would work for him(making music). He always plays demonic characters and he always has demonic marketing tactics

Music is the only thing that can penetrates all layers of the brain. It cant be kept out, thats why when you hear a song, even if you weren't paying attention, if you hear it again, you will remember it.

 

[Emotional_High]

Maybe thats why Jay-Z stop making music.

Snoop said in one of his book that Satan appeared to him in one of his dreams and snoop pretty much sold himself to him and said he would work for him(making music). He always plays demonic characters and he always has demonic marketing tactics

Music is the only thing that can penetrates all layers of the brain. It cant be kept out, thats why when you hear a song, even if you weren't paying attention, if you hear it again, you will remember it.

Commercials also use certain types of music to get you to buy their products even if it really is no good for you. i know so many commercial jingles without having been taught it. I try not to watch tv as much because of this.

Well if the music you listen to sounds like something snoop would listen to than that should show you that it ain't no good. And not just the words i'm talking about but the beat. If it makes you want to wine in a sinful suductive way then...i'd pass. when you minus the lyrics the music should make you feel so joyful to be living not so joyful to have sex....like this...check it out. And i'm sorry that i don't find this funny at all. (might take a while to load)

click the link provided on this page... http://www.melyssaford.com/showthread.php?t=8445&highlight=effect+kids+days

 

[FIRESTARTER]

Commercials also use certain types of music to get you to buy their products even if it really is no good for you. i know so many commercial jingles without having been taught it. I try not to watch tv as much because of this.

Well if the music you listen to sounds like something snoop would listen to than that should show you that it ain't no good. And not just the words i'm talking about but the beat. If it makes you want to wine in a sinful suductive way then...i'd pass. when you minus the lyrics the music should make you feel so joyful to be living not so joyful to have sex....like this...check it out. And i'm sorry that i don't find this funny at all. (might take a while to load)

click the link provided on this page... http://www.melyssaford.com/showthread.php?t=8445&highlight=effect+kids+days

I dont listen to none of that stuff, I was just writing what the man said about snoop..............the link doesnt work.....yes it does, but im confused as to why im clicking this link again.

Since im trying to break into the industry. Im gonna make something and put some subliminal christian stuff in there.

 

[Emotional_High]

I dont listen to none of that stuff, I was just writing what the man said about snoop..............the link doesnt work.....yes it does, but im confused as to why im clicking this link again.

Since im trying to break into the industry. Im gonna make something and put some subliminal christian stuff in there.

The link is 3 little girls who remake destiny's child cater to you video. They are maybe around 9. I thought destiny's child was a christian group. Wow, these christians make children do some great things! (sarcasm)

 

[FIRESTARTER]

The link is 3 little girls who remake destiny's child cater to you video. They are maybe around 9. I thought destiny's child was a christian group. Wow, these christians make children do some great things! (sarcasm)

The link is for Melissa Ford

 

[Emotional_High]

The link is for Melissa Ford

press the link and then there is another link that is posted beside a girls picture

 

[Trini"T"]

So even if you say, i don't care for the words i just like the beat...beware.

This is me. You are so right though. Starting from Africa(voodoo's birthplace) they use distinct drumming to use in the witchcraft ceremonies. I'm attracted to heavy base lines that make me dance in a "sinful, seductive manner"

What was the Melissa Ford link for?

He always plays demonic characters and he always has demonic marketing tactics

You mean his pimp characters?

I read the link from wikipedia and A LOT of Heavy Metal music has these hidden messageserplexed :

Wasn't there something like this in the "Little Nicky" movie?

I notice also for pop music the artists are given a lot of their lyrics.

This stuff is sooo coool!

So I guess the old people were right when they said secular music was devil music?

 

[FIRESTARTER]

press the link and then there is another link that is posted beside a girls picture

Still not following, but that alright

 

[Emotional_High]

Still not following, but that alright

i don't know. maybe it only works for me. when you click the melyssa ford link, it should take you to a forum. scroll down just a tiny bit and you will see that a girl named the lauryn doll posted a link in the forum. click on it...i hope you find it. if not then give up. maybe it doesn't work on your computer

 

[FIRESTARTER]

i don't know. maybe it only works for me. when you click the melyssa ford link, it should take you to a forum. scroll down just a tiny bit and you will see that a girl named the lauryn doll posted a link in the forum. click on it...i hope you find it. if not then give up. maybe it doesn't work on your computer

You must be a member cause all im getting is a log-in page. I give up

 

[BerrySweet]

You have to have a program that lets you play the song backwards. It's terrible. It's not only Jay-z's songs that create evil words when listened to backwards.

About the water, How would the soft music create such perfect pictures? I maybe could understand the loud music creating such ugly patterns but how could the soft music be so beautiful? When i went to africa there were groups of people who learned and taught children how to put fires out with their minds. This world is amazing so i wouldn't doubt that certain music can create certain effects.

Did you notice that the water that had the sign "i hate you and i want to kill you" looked like a man with a gun?

My cousin and i are going to go to this centre where they can actually make peoples eye colors change right before your eyes just by the thought they put into your head. I can't wait.

But wouldn't anything played backwards sound funny because it's being played BAKCKWARDS?? What kind of program allows you to do this? I've heard of such and such song being played backwards and it delivers such and such message, but I've never heard any song being played backwards. If you recorded your own words, they'd probably sound funny-not necessarlily evil lol.
Taken from the link:

It is worth noting that, given a randomly generated series of syllables spoken in a variety of accents, a two-syllable pair that can be liberally interpreted as "Satan" is very easy to generate. Therefore, any individual with a small amount of creative interpretation skills could play virtually any song with vocals backwards and uncover "Satanic messages". This fact has been exploited by defense attorneys in "backwards messaging" court cases, who often disprove allegations by "uncovering Satanic messages" in songs by Christian artists, most famously Amy Grant.
In many movies, the voice of a Satanic character is made by reversing and reducing the speed of any voice. Thus one might suppose that either this technique started from backward messages, or that a voice played in slow motion has a Satanic tone in American culture.

What does the water have to do with anything? That is nonsensical to me, I'm sorry. Not to take anything away from anyone.

And btw Destiny's Child is not a Christian music group. They make secular music, and sing about booties, wanting thugs and all kinds of stuff. The individual members might be Christians, and they have made some inspirational songs, and their name was taken from the Bible, but overall the do not produce Christian music.

I do think that this is interesting, and that music can be used against people w/o a strong mind, but it doesn't even have to be backwards. People say this artist told them to kill such and such all of the time. I do think we need to not be so quick to judge on someones purported "jealously" of various musicians. As far as the hard baseline goes, some Christian music has a strong beat as well. It's not all soft and flowy. It jsut depends on what you like to hear.

Oh btw EmotionalHigh, what kind of enlightenment were you speaking of that I do not have?

Please let's continue this, it's so interesting. I'm waiting for someone to post a backwards song.

 

[Bunny77]

I do think that this is interesting, and that music can be used against people w/o a strong mind, but it doesn't even have to be backwards. People say this artist told them to kill such and such all of the time. I do think we need to not be so quick to judge on someones purported "jealously" of various musicians. As far as the hard baseline goes, some Christian music has a strong beat as well. It's not all soft and flowy. It jsut depends on what you like to hear.

Exactly.

I think folks (specifically the dude who "studied" this music) are taking this waaaaay further than it needs to be. We all know there are messages in many secular songs that are not good influences on anyone and we should flee from that.

But it's kind of silly to me to be focusing on playing records backwards (why would anyone do that anyway???) or messages on water (what the heck does that have to do with anything) or the promotion of female stars to make fans become attracted to them in a lesbian way (WHAT THE HECK??)...

Dude is really reaching here and I don't think he has much credibility AT ALL. Let's focus on fighting the actual enemy instead of some getting all concerned about some supposedly subliminal stuff that this one man claims to have "figured out."

 

[Emotional_High]

You must be a member cause all im getting is a log-in page. I give up

nycole may be a member. okay give up...lol

 

[Emotional_High]

But wouldn't anything played backwards sound funny because it's being played BAKCKWARDS?? What kind of program allows you to do this? I've heard of such and such song being played backwards and it delivers such and such message, but I've never heard any song being played backwards. If you recorded your own words, they'd probably sound funny-not necessarlily evil lol.
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What does the water have to do with anything? That is nonsensical to me, I'm sorry. Not to take anything away from anyone.

And btw Destiny's Child is not a Christian music group. They make secular music, and sing about booties, wanting thugs and all kinds of stuff. The individual members might be Christians, and they have made some inspirational songs, and their name was taken from the Bible, but overall the do not produce Christian music.

I do think that this is interesting, and that music can be used against people w/o a strong mind, but it doesn't even have to be backwards. People say this artist told them to kill such and such all of the time. I do think we need to not be so quick to judge on someones purported "jealously" of various musicians. As far as the hard baseline goes, some Christian music has a strong beat as well. It's not all soft and flowy. It jsut depends on what you like to hear.

Oh btw EmotionalHigh, what kind of enlightenment were you speaking of that I do not have?

Please let's continue this, it's so interesting. I'm waiting for someone to post a backwards song.

the water shows that you must be careful what you say. the water that has the name mother teresa under it shows that certain names and words make certain paterns.

enlightenment is when you are very careful of what music you listen to, what you say and what you do. also, you are not so critical and name things false right away. you have an open mind and you study and search for the truth for the rest of your life.

It is a very good feeling, you can be completely happy all day everyday because you have no ego anymore. If anyone would like to know of a book that calibrates higher than the bible please let me know and i will tell you what it is. i garantee that when you read it you will be so enlightened to the point where you will never want to be the old you. you will believe that you were good before but great now.

 

[beyondcute]

Its a subliminal message.

Anyhoo they say that back in the days people would write messages backwards and anyone who read the message would speak a curse into their life. If you watch this man's movie that he has out "The truth about hip hop" he show in there how some artist a demonic. One of Bone Thugs & Hormonies albums has a message written backwards on the backside of their cd cover. You would have to hold it up in the mirror to read it. Crazy Stuff!

READ THIS! PLEASE!

Im sorry, Id have to hear it to believe it. And liek another person said, anythign played backwards sounds horrible. Even gospel music. And as far as reading things in a mirror who does that? Who has time to look at somethign as simple as a cd cover and take it to a mirror, hold it up and read it? And if they did, what did it say? Murder Jesus? COME ON! I agree that hip-hop is for the most part very unChirstian-like and there may be some weak minded people that will get brainwashed by the bling bling/fast lifestyles. As a Christian the only thing I can do is witness what he's done for me not attack thier music. I feel like attacking people and spreading rumors about what "so-n-so" heard when she played Jay-Z backwards does not help the mission of a Christian person. The main concern is witnessing. Trust me, after the goodness of God is revealed to a person, they dont want to hear about Miss New Booty or Jay-Z's 99 problems. Get them there first. Worry about the music later.

 

[beyondcute]

BTW did you even read the article you posted? They had these examples listed as "backwards music" and how easily words can become misconstrued....

Easy Examples
The words 'Nastiest Mayo' become 'I am Satan' when played backwards. This is said to work best with a Geordie accent.

Also, "At least not today" will become "Hail this Nazi land" backwards.

"Spartacus show, George" backwards sounds vaguely like "George Bush sucks"
So everytime I tell someone this is the "nastiest mayo" they will have to interpret it as I am satan? Silly and not worth the time it takes to make a program to play words backwards, type it in, slow it down and thenget back to me. People have too much time on thier hands.....

 

[Emotional_High]

If it is negative front wards it is negative backwards (music). I have been taking over nycole's computer for the last couple of days. So i'll talk to you all next week. Nice chatting (going home today)...returning to this forum because i have become addicted

 

[FIRESTARTER]

And as far as reading things in a mirror who does that? Who has time to look at somethign as simple as a cd cover and take it to a mirror, hold it up and read it? And if they did, what did it say? Murder Jesus? COME ON!

So when you get a new cd, you dont look at the cover and the pictures on the outside? Hummm..... ....Thats weird, most people do. And if I was ignorant to what it actually was and actually had that cd I would've read it backwards in the mirror too! Thank God I didnt. And even if it does say murder Jesus or if that is played subliminally constantly dont you know that stuff will penetrate into your brain. Were not gods we dont know what impact that mess can have on us.

I agree that hip-hop is for the most part very unChirstian-like and there may be some weak minded people that will get brainwashed by the bling bling/fast lifestyles. As a Christian the only thing I can do is witness what he's done for me not attack thier music. I feel like attacking people and spreading rumors about what "so-n-so" heard when she played Jay-Z backwards does not help the mission of a Christian person. The main concern is witnessing. Trust me, after the goodness of God is revealed to a person, they dont want to hear about Miss New Booty or Jay-Z's 99 problems. Get them there first. Worry about the music later.

I dont think its spreading rumors because if I had knowledge of it......... and 3 years later you found out that it actually did what its said to do..... and you were now affected, you whould have a problem with me not telling you....no? Id like to call it informing instead of attacking or spreading rumors. Especially to Christian people who would want to know this kind of information.

Im glad that there are some christians are solely sold out for winning souls to the lord, but in addition to that I as a christian believe it is my responsibility to expose the enemy. Some people need enlightenment so the can hit that OH! moment. The devil is real and he is sneaky and he will come disguised so we need to be aware. We all know that that is his tool or was his job(music) so I think its safe to say that we shouldnt ENTIRELY RULE OUT the posibility that the devil is working through some artists no matter how rediculous some may think it is.

 

[UmSumayyah]

It's an interesting article and he makes a few good points.
But the movie thing is stretching it. Have you ever sat and looked at the credits of a movie at the end? There are HUNDREDS of people involved. It's not unbelievable that that one of them will die within a few years of making any given movie.

 

[BerrySweet]

So when you get a new cd, you dont look at the cover and the pictures on the outside? Hummm..... ....Thats weird, most people do. And if I was ignorant to what it actually was and actually had that cd I would've read it backwards in the mirror too! Thank God I didnt. And even if it does say murder Jesus or if that is played subliminally constantly dont you know that stuff will penetrate into your brain. Were not gods we dont know what impact that mess can have on us.
I dont think its spreading rumors because if I had knowledge of it......... and 3 years later you found out that it actually did what its said to do..... and you were now affected, you whould have a problem with me not telling you....no? Id like to call it informing instead of attacking or spreading rumors. Especially to Christian people who would want to know this kind of information.

Im glad that there are some christians are solely sold out for winning souls to the lord, but in addition to that I as a christian believe it is my responsibility to expose the enemy. Some people need enlightenment so the can hit that OH! moment. The devil is real and he is sneaky and he will come disguised so we need to be aware. We all know that that is his tool or was his job(music) so I think its safe to say that we shouldnt ENTIRELY RULE OUT the posibility that the devil is working through some artists no matter how rediculous some may think it is.

To clarify, What I (think) she's saying is, who goes and holds CD covers up to the mirror to see what they say backwards. I don't understand what you're trying to say here about being ignorant.

This also makes no sense. You are saying that you'd be validated if you find out down the road that you were right, and people would have been mad at you for not coming forward, correct? I'm not sure I understand the logic, because I don't see how you've been proven right yet.

I agree with this. I'm uncomfortable with the whole "j-hova" thing myself.

 

[FIRESTARTER]

To clarify, What I (think) she's saying is, who goes and holds CD covers up to the mirror to see what they say backwards. I don't understand what you're trying to say here about being ignorant.

Ok, the back of the cd cover was literally written backwards and it was like a chant(spell) at the bottom of the cover it say you have to read it by holding it in the mirror. I am saying that if I somehow had stumbled over the cd and saw the cover, being ignorant to the fact that in previous centuries satanic people would put a curse on a person by doing that, I would have done it.

This also makes no sense. You are saying that you'd be validated if you find out down the road that you were right, and people would have been mad at you for not coming forward, correct? I'm not sure I understand the logic, because I don't see how you've been proven right yet.

WOW

It was only hypothetically speaking. If someone knew something that could potentially harm you but didn't tell you because they didn't know what others would think about you saying it, how would you feel later when you found out that you had been affected and they didn't tell you. Do you get what I'm saying ? I'm just saying I don't think its spreading "rumors" I just think he's trying to inform Christians about the potential of this music.

ETA: Now that I read the post, it WAS kinda written in e-bonics

 

[beyondcute]

Hold on. I never called you ignorant. Im just trying to pu tmy spin on this. Yes I look at the CD cover. Hva eto to find out what it really is. But that goes to the same thing as a dollar bill. I never thoug to try and decipher the pyramid or the eye ball or any of that other extra stuff they put on it. Why? It doesnt bother me. It says in God we trust. Jay-Z believes in God and hopefully further on in his journey he will realize his vernacular and the things he says in his albums isnt promoting his beliefs. I think some poepl take thinsg too far. I had someone tell me not to call people 'my dog' because it was God spelled backwards. Stuff liek that is too superstitious to me. To go out of the way and play somethign backwards and actually try to interpret it seems to fall in that category with that.

Just as I said before, when the goodness of God is revealed to people they wont want to hear about b!tches or hoes. They wont concern themselves with even buying the music to listen to it backwards. It doesnt take long to realize that a song entitled "I hate my baby mama" isnt Christianly. But to devote time to searching for things and tryign to follow urban myths and conspiracies seems meaningless to me when I could be out spreading the word of my father.

My concern is getting them to the gate first, THEN if for some reason they still find it okay to listen to degrading music Id kindly point out to them that it isnt Christian to sing such disgusting words with the same mouth we use to praise Him with. And if they still find it okay to do so thenId leave it alone. Consiparcies (also known as unproven hypotheses) can make a person run from Christianity. For a long time I ran from the church because people were tryign to strip my identity from me instead just leading me to God. I wanted to dance and go clubbing and go drinking and someone tellign me that the music was brainwashing me led me to belive that THEY were the ones I had to be leery of. They made me uncomfortable with all thier conspiracies and down talk. But once I found a few people that spoke of the goodness of Gad rather than my shortcomings and how I was brainwashed, I felt comfortbale enough to allow myself to experince God in all the good ways I have.

 

[beyondcute]

The devil is real and he is sneaky and he will come disguised so we need to be aware. We all know that that is his tool or was his job(music) so I think its safe to say that we shouldnt ENTIRELY RULE OUT the posibility that the devil is working through some artists no matter how rediculous some may think it is


ITA!!!! This is exactly what I mean The devil is sneaky and he comes thru music very easily. Some o te things I hear children sing makes me wanna cry. No child shoudl be singing "Im in love with a stripper." But put a nice beat behind some catchy tunes and everyone sings it. The devil is the master of disguise and he creeps in, in many ways. Im not sayings its impossible all Im saying is that a true Chistian woudl think twice about listenign to someone who has nick named themselves Jayhova. Although Im not a Jehovah's witness this bothers me alot.

 

[cocoberry10]

I think this whole thing borders on conspiracy theory.

Music, for most artists, is not always a reflection of a current reality. They often admit to using fiction in their work...so even though I see the point (and agree) that Christians should be careful of what they listen to, I don't think it's fair to classify hip-hop as a whole as evil. If rappers really thought they were even remotely close to gods, they wouldn't turn around say things like, "I ain't sh*t" <---direct quote from Jay-Z. I think you have to closely examine the entertainment intent of the music. I totally agree that our children are praising these icons in our culture, but that goes for everything...not just music, and ESPECIALLY not just hip-hop.

And from my recollection, hip hop was born out of competition in the south Bronx...right? If so, that has nothing to do with praising self. That's about an intelligent/poetic challenge to a psychological foe. I don't think it takes on a conceited and self-centered nature on its own. Yes, the form it has taken today is perverted and ungodly, but I don't think that has much to do with its origin.

And speaking of origin, we're born into sin, right? Does that mean that God doesn't embrace us? Sure, he doesn't embrace our sin, but He loves us as His children nonetheless. He even loves the rappers & "evil" people. I don't think it's appropriate to speak on why the deceased have passed. He doesn't REALLY know why Aaliyah died because HE is not God...same with Biggie & Pac.

The Devil is alive in WAY more than just the music in churches. Church folk will KEEP you praying. There is lying, cheating, deceit, stealing, adultery, and other sin going on within some churches...so what does that mean, according to this theory? Music is not the only vehicle in which sin travels into the walls of the church. Sin is not inherent to music...PEOPLE are sinful and therefore commit sins.

And WHO plays songs backwards? I haven't even heard of anyone doing that since like 7th grade. Why are they hunting for evil? I think there are things God will be much more glorified with than "Christians" playing secular music backwards to find the devil.

And wouldn't these 12 years have been better spent spreading the gospel? I mean, really, what have we learned from 12 years of this research? That we should be selective about our entertainment? We've known that since God gave us those instructions in the Bible.

Annie, I am in NO way attacking you. I'm simply analyzing the things you were taught. You asked for opinions...if I were you, I'd closely examine the intent and walk of the messengers. Not everybody in the church is of God. If somebody had told me the things in your post, I would give THEM the hairy eyeball, not a rapper.

Just my $1.00

{DI}

I totally agree