Masturbation and the Word of God

[Thiends]

I know where the Catholics stand on this, but I have never been clear on Protestant doctrine on solo masturbation (as opposed to "mutual masturbation," i.e., partners masturbating each other, which the bible condemns outside of marriage).

Is solo masturbation wrong according to non-Catholic Christian views?

For both the Catholics and non-Catholics, if solo masturbation is wrong, then why?

I am asking seriously, as a fellow Christian very confused on this topic.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

WOW. I learn something new everyday. Where in the Bible does it speak against masturbation?

 

[Thiends]

WOW. I learn something new everyday. Where in the Bible does it speak against masturbation?

If you mean my reference to mutual masturbation, then the bible does not say anywhere "thou shalt not masturbate your partner and have him masturbate you." However, the bible bans fornication, admonishes us to refrain from sexual immorality and impurity, and commands us to flee temptation (rather than walking right up to the line and dancing on it). I believe that all of those things put together make mutual masturbation by unwed couples a highly unChristian activity.

If you are referring to solo masturbation, then, well, that is the whole point of this thread: I am asking because I don't know.

 

[CoilyFields]

That is an excellant question and one I have wondered about myself. I can understand how solo masturbation would most definately be a sin if it is accompanied by porn or sexual fantasies or memories. And I can also see one making the argument that God created sexual pleasure in ALL ITS FORMS for marriage and declared the marriage bed undefiled. Hence, anything outside of that, whether with a partner, alone, or with inanimate objects as wrong.

Another question though, is whether it is a sin if you ARE married and still masterbate solo (and if it depends on the partners knowledge or consent)?

 

[Thiends]

I can understand how solo masturbation would most definately be a sin if it is accompanied by porn or sexual fantasies or memories.

Wow, you might have answered the question for both of us. Even with no porn, masturbation requires impure thoughts and therein lies the sin.

Any thoughts on this, anyone?

And I can also see one making the argument that God created sexual pleasure in ALL ITS FORMS for marriage and declared the marriage bed undefiled. Hence, anything outside of that, whether with a partner, alone, or with inanimate objects as wrong.

I can see this too. :yes: It makes life much harder, but I see it.

Another question though, is whether it is a sin if you ARE married and still masterbate solo (and if it depends on the partners knowledge or consent)?

Gosh, this is another toughie. I could see it being wrong because God created intimacy to bring married couples closer, not to permit one to go off by himself or herself. I could see masturbation in marriage being seen as exploiting or making a goal in itself what God intended to be a means (to bring couples together). Goodness, this is tough.

 

[Poohbear]

Leviticus 15 (New International Version)

Leviticus 15

Discharges Causing Uncleanness

1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:
4 " 'Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. 5 Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 6 Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

7 " 'Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

8 " 'If the man with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, that person must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

9 " 'Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, 10 and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

11 " 'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

12 " 'A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

13 " 'When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. 14 On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and give them to the priest. 15 The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

16 " 'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

19 " 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

24 " 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

25 " 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

28 " 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.

31 " 'You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.' "

32 These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, 33 for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who lies with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

 

[Guitarhero]

Is solo masturbation wrong according to non-Catholic Christian views?

For both the Catholics and non-Catholics, if solo masturbation is wrong, then why?

I am asking seriously, as a fellow Christian very confused on this topic.

It's impurity. Sex with self. It's the most selfish act a human can perform. Wasting seed is strictly prohibited in the bible and it reversely applies to women (not talking about night emissions, that's natural but deliberate sexual stimulation). Sexuality is reserved for marriage to welcome the natural result, new life. We're also to perfect our minds and keep them clean. Engaging in sexual fantasies is impurity. Do we all do it? Hell yes. Can we repent? Absolutely. Is it hard? Very much so, depending upon the state a person is in and the development of the habit. There's always forgiveness but the scriptures make it clear. Tradition of the christian faith is that it is wrong.

2Corinthian:12
21 I fear that when I come again my God may humble me before you, and I may have to mourn over many of those who sinned before and have not repented of the impurity, immorality, and licentiousness which they have practiced.


Lev 15:16-18
"And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bath his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bath themselves in water and be unclean until the evening."

I Corinthians 6:9-11 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Matthew 5:27-30 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.




You asked the catholic stance. This, from the catechism, which is the guide explaining the doctrines as well a why:

• 2351: "Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes."
• 2352: "By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. 'Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.' 'The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.' For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of 'the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved'."
  
  "To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability." 4

 

[Prudent1]

It's impurity. Sex with self. It's the most selfish act a human can perform. Wasting seed is strictly prohibited in the bible and it reversely applies to women (not talking about night emissions, that's natural but deliberate sexual stimulation). Sexuality is reserved for marriage to welcome the natural result, new life. We're also to perfect our minds and keep them clean. Engaging in sexual fantasies is impurity. Do we all do it? H*** yes. Can we repent? Absolutely. Is it hard? Very much so, depending upon the state a person is in and the development of the habit. There's always forgiveness but the scriptures make it clear. Tradition of the christian faith is that it is wrong.

That is the way that it has been explained to me as well. Masturbation and fornication both as being selfish acts b/c they purely gratify no one but self. They also do not glorify God in any way. All I can say is thank God for repenence and forgiveness:blush3:. I was taught masturbation could help me keep myself before marriage and that during marriage it could help me stay faithful. I liked that justification and went at it whole-heartedly. Anyway, you live and you learn. Point being any form of selfish is very dangerous. While the bible does mention God's displeasure with spilling of seed, it does not say specifically don't masturbate but it says plenty about selfishness. Don't take my word for it, pray and ask God what he thinks about it-then listen. Those that have ears and want to hear will hear.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

Wow. Outside of the belief that fornication is wrong, I never got that deeply into it concerning masturbation. If a married woman masturbates while thinking about her husband, I don't really see how that is impure.

Either way, I'm still not completely convinced that masturbation is a sin.

And to be honest, very few people really think about glorifying God while having sex.

 

[Sharpened]

Wow. Outside of the belief that fornication is wrong, I never got that deeply into it concerning masturbation. If a married woman masturbates while thinking about her husband, I don't really see how that is impure.

Either way, I'm still not completely convinced that masturbation is a sin.

I tried that and got checked with the quickness, several times. We are trying to get away from focusing on self and self-satisfaction, remember? If you don't believe it is a sin, ask Him.

And to be honest, very few people really think about glorifying God while having sex.

I have prayed for a certain outcome in the midst of and receive it...and thanked Him. Sleep is important at my age.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

I tried that and got checked with the quickness, several times. We are trying to get away from focusing on self and self-satisfaction, remember? If you don't believe it is a sin, ask Him.

Why are we trying to get away from self-satisfaction? And if she is thinking about her husband and not another man, where is the impurity? I feel like this is yet another area where man has imposed more strict guidelines than God.

I have prayed for a certain outcome in the midst of and receive it...and thanked Him. Sleep is important at my age.

Yeah, but that's not glorifying God.

 

[Sharpened]

It is that whole "death to self" thing. If I don't get that outcome, DH won't leave me alone until I do.

Hey, what can we say? Ask Him.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

It is that whole "death to self" thing. If I don't get that outcome, DH won't leave me alone until I do.

I guess. I think that is taking it too far though. That is more about your husband and his ego than about glorifying God IMO. I think the God aspect comes from the intimacy and becoming one. That outcome is just something society focuses on. I don't think the two should be confused.


And I don't get the interpretation that masturbation is a sin from the scriptures that were quoted. I just find this stuff to be confusing.

 

[Sharpened]

I guess. I think that is taking it too far though. That is more about your husband and his ego than about glorifying God IMO. I think the God aspect comes from the intimacy and becoming one. That outcome is just something society focuses on. I don't think the two should be confused.

Ego? I was being factious. The "death to self" thing works both ways in a marriage, if you catch my drift. Considering that most women cannot get off, you best believe I am going to be thanking Him. Giving glory can be as simple as a heart-rendered thank you; the best form is obedience.

And I don't get the interpretation that masturbation is a sin from the scriptures that were quoted. I just find this stuff to be confusing.

Then don't depend on man's knowledge. Ask the Father! He will tell you.

 

[Guitarhero]

Why are we trying to get away from self-satisfaction? And if she is thinking about her husband and not another man, where is the impurity? I feel like this is yet another area where man has imposed more strict guidelines than God.



Yeah, but that's not glorifying God.

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Because in the marriage, it's selfish. That is a sin that produces a host of other sins and wrong attitudes. Nothing wrong with pleasure but like anything, there is a formula for it. Just like sex outside of marriage is wrong, self-satisfaction is wrong. People can lust after their marital partner because they are not including them in the sharing of sex but are looking for only selfish release.

If thy eye offend thee, poke it out. If thy right hand offend thee.....squeak, squeak, squeak Cut it off/out!!! About scriptures directly referring to wanking, well, not. But it is biblical tradition that it is wrong in the three Abrahamic faiths.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

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Because in the marriage, it's selfish. That is a sin that produces a host of other sins and wrong attitudes. Nothing wrong with pleasure but like anything, there is a formula for it. Just like sex outside of marriage is wrong, self-satisfaction is wrong. People can lust after their marital partner because they are not including them in the sharing of sex but are looking for only selfish release.

If thy eye offend thee, poke it out. If thy right hand offend thee.....squeak, squeak, squeak Cut it off/out!!! About scriptures directly referring to wanking, well, not. But it is biblical tradition that it is wrong in the three Abrahamic faiths.

Perhaps. But all of this just seems to be determined by man. Not God. I tend to err on the cautious side when it comes to things like this.

 

[nathansgirl1908]

Ego? I was being factious. The "death to self" thing works both ways in a marriage, if you catch my drift. Considering that most women cannot get off, you best believe I am going to be thanking Him. Giving glory can be as simple as a heart-rendered thank you; the best form is obedience.

Then don't depend on man's knowledge. Ask the Father! He will tell you.

I am still awaiting God's response on this matter.

 

[Crown]

A balanced view :

http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_masturbation.html

 

[Guitarhero]

Perhaps. But all of this just seems to be determined by man. Not God. I tend to err on the cautious side when it comes to things like this.

Hey, that's quite alright. You have to be accountable for you and it's all a journey. You will know what it is you need to do because this walk is customized.

 

[Angelicus]

This is just me: I quit because I trust that God will provide a mate for me so that I won't have to play pretend.

 

[Guitarhero]

A balanced view :

http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_masturbation.html

But what if no illicit fantasies are included in masturbation? Is the act then sinful? By scripture, there is nothing to indicate that it is. Specifically, if the act is done merely as a hedge against temptation and as the body requires then there is no need for the above sinful "crutches". This is hardly exciting, and a rote act of keeping the body in submission. It cannot be done often, as the body is not that demanding if left alone by a perverted imagination. On the other hand, if we attempt a pent-up self-sex life, then we find that the body needs help from the soul through illicit fantasies, and then sin is clearly being committed.
I hope this is clear. Were it not for our perverted imaginations and lustful sense of expectation, our bodies would not cause us much trouble.



And masturbation, never forbidden by God, can be used as one of the ways that we can "learn to control our bodies"; not by inflaming the body with pornography or fantasies so that it can be done too often, but in using it to keep ourselves from dangerous, physical temptation when it can (rarely) be done without sinning in any way.

Commit yourself to a certain amount of pain, and commit yourself not to sin in thought, and I think you will find that masturbation cannot be done that often, but when it is needed it is a true blessing as a way to keep your body under control. We should not indulge our bodies, but we should "honor" them and learn to live in them properly in this sinful world. For singles, God has given the ability to masturbate, and has not forbidden it. For married couples who are apart and who are thinking of each other, the same applies. But God has most definitely forbidden sinful thoughts that so often accompany masturbation, and for this we all need to die to self and commit ourselves to the fact that living holy in this world will involve pain.

I looked at the article and am confused by what he is saying. How can somebody masturbate to bring the body into submission but not attach a fantasy to it? Is that possible??? The scenario I can think of is trying to keep from having sex with somebody. Now, what if you went home already and he's not there. You wank off but you don't think of him? I'm truly scratching my head on this one because I can't fathom it.

So, he's basically saying that if the body has need to release itself and you're trying to keep from committing a sexual act with another person, this is ok and less wrong than the mental, lustful emotional side of masturbating? See, I thought lust combined mind plus flesh. His perspective is a new one for me and I've not heard it that way before.

 

[Prudent1]

Good discussion y'all. I like that we can discuss the unknown gray areas in our lives. Now to the matter at hand...

I am still awaiting God's response on this matter.

And that is precisely what you need to continue to do. Just like with anything else God will not impose his view on you. He will answer you when you are ready to hear from him. It can be hard for some to give this up. No different than anything else (alcohol, drugs etc.). All areas of our lives need to be shared with God. There is no area too small. We as believers must also remember that while it is fine and highly desired to consider all things in the end, the bible must be the period at the end of every sentence. IOW, it doesn't matter what we think. I tried to find loopholes here too. Most ppl masturbating are not thinking of their spouse no more than most women choosing abortion as a means to an end are not under-aged, rape victims, or in danger of dying. For the few who are, if we don't understand every small detail, it still doesn't matter. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Never has been, never will be. All who want to hear will hear.
James 1:5


5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

 

[Thiends]

I love the lively discussion. Like Nathansgirl, I actually do not find the bible verses clear, especially with the link that Crown posted. I do feel, however, that God is leading me to be against masturbation...which, added to abstinence, makes life that much harder.

How has not masturbating worked out for those of you who do not masturbate? Do you feel loser to God? Less tempted to sexual sin?

Does anyone know why Catholics came to be so strongly against masturbation while most Protestant churches are pretty much silent on it?

 

[Thiends]

I looked at the article and am confused by what he is saying. How can somebody masturbate to bring the body into submission but not attach a fantasy to it? Is that possible??? The scenario I can think of is trying to keep from having sex with somebody. Now, what if you went home already and he's not there. You wank off but you don't think of him? I'm truly scratching my head on this one because I can't fathom it.

Yea, I am really confused on that too.

 

[Thiends]

Good discussion y'all. I like that we can discuss the unknown gray areas in our lives. Now to the matter at hand...

I agree.

And that is precisely what you need to continue to do. Just like with anything else God will not impose his view on you. He will answer you when you are ready to hear from him. It can be hard for some to give this up. No different than anything else (alcohol, drugs etc.). All areas of our lives need to be shared with God. There is no area too small. We as believers must also remember that while it is fine and highly desired to consider all things in the end, the bible must be the period at the end of every sentence. IOW, it doesn't matter what we think. I tried to find loopholes here too. Most ppl masturbating are not thinking of their spouse no more than most women choosing abortion as a means to an end are not under-aged, rape victims, or in danger of dying. For the few who are, if we don't understand every small detail, it still doesn't matter. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Never has been, never will be. All who want to hear will hear.
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

Very well explained. I hear ya.

 

[Guitarhero]

I love the lively discussion. Like Nathansgirl, I actually do not find the bible verses clear, especially with the link that Crown posted. I do feel, however, that God is leading me to be against masturbation...which, added to abstinence, makes life that much harder.

How has not masturbating worked out for those of you who do not masturbate? Do you feel loser to God? Less tempted to sexual sin?

Does anyone know why Catholics came to be so strongly against masturbation while most Protestant churches are pretty much silent on it?

Refer to my earlier post on the catechism. I don't want to go find it again lol. But since it's such a disordered act, it constitutes mortal sin and in such a state, you cannot receive the communion because we believe it to be the real live body and blood of Jesus through transformation when consumed. Mortal sin (full knowledge and willfully doing a grave sin) removes the grace of salvation from a person, ending their relationship with God and you have to repent and confess (celebration of returning from sin through absolution which Christ gave the church in authority) before returning to communion. You break your communing with Him and have to be restored. It's kinda complicated sounding, I know. But that's why. So if you wank, you have to confess. Yeah, it's complicated

This is one reason you will see people not receiving the eucharist...but it's not the only reason and you cannot judge or try and imagine. There are a variety of reasons. But for those with a spiritually minded heart, they won't dare take eucharist to insult Him. It's tough but there for our benefit. Protestants don't have confession (some do, though, like Lutherans and Presbyterians, maybe Anglicans, I think???) and they are not bound in their doctrine to going through a priest like in the "Old" Testament for absolution or sin offerings. They confess straight to God. Catholics do too, but they have the added law to confess to a priest. Repentance begins and ends in the contrite heart for Prostestants. For catholics and orthodox, it begins with a contrite heart and ends in the confessional. I hope I explained the why's well.

 

[Thiends]

Refer to my earlier post on the catechism.

Your explanation is great, but it does not quite answer my question. I know the Catholic church's stance and how things work with that church. What I am wondering about is the why of the difference between the attention that Catholics and Protestants pay to masturbation. I am not even sure there is any clear Protestant doctrine on masturbation, and I have never heard it preached on. Maybe the reasons behind the difference can't be figured out w/out years of research.

A related pt is that maybe the fact that the Catholic stance is in the catechism, not the bible, implies that being anti-masturb is a matter of tradition, not biblical mandate.

 

[Guitarhero]

Your explanation is great, but it does not quite answer my question. I know the Catholic church's stance and how things work with that church. What I am wondering about is the why of the difference between the attention that Catholics and Protestants pay to masturbation. I am not even sure there is any clear Protestant doctrine on masturbation, and I have never heard it preached on. Maybe the reasons behind the difference can't be figured out w/out years of research.

A related pt is that maybe the fact that the Catholic stance is in the catechism, not the bible, implies that being anti-masturb is a matter of tradition, not biblical mandate.

Earlier I explained that it's tradition in the 3 Abrahamic faiths. For Jews and chrisians, scriptural and oral. In the RCC,whatever is bound on earth is also bound on heaven and you know - authority was given. But the attention paid to it has got to be linked to the mortal sin issue imho. Protestant tradition fell away from that over the centuries. Actually, I think it's only recently since the last century that masturbation (Freud, Jung etc.) is even seen as a "healthy" human function. I know one thing, it's a b!tch to confess especially if you forget which confessional and go face-to-face

 

[Uber]

A lot of the reasoning given above to not masturbating is quite true.

I've read that masturbation is mainly wrong because of the impure thoughts it requires. I have also read that masturbation between married couples or even caressing of the genitals parts against themselves should not be encouraged. It may be necessary to do the aforementioned when first learning about lovemaking between one another and for the man to learn how to make his wife climax. However as the couples mature they should leave it alone because (and i am just writing this from memory) it can invoke similar pleasures as when sole masturbation was performed therefore allowing entry of the enemy. I personally believe this. God has a reason from telling us NOT to do things usually because it has a negative repercussion.


Without going into details, from personal experience I feel masturbation and sex which does not involve full penetration can allow attack from Satan.

 

[Thiends]

A lot of the reasoning given above to not masturbating is quite true.

I've read that masturbation is mainly wrong because of the impure thoughts it requires. I have also read that masturbation between married couples or even caressing of the genitals parts against themselves should not be encouraged. It may be necessary to do the aforementioned when first learning about lovemaking between one another and for the man to learn how to make his wife climax. However as the couples mature they should leave it alone because (and i am just writing this from memory) it can invoke similar pleasures as when sole masturbation was performed therefore allowing entry of the enemy. I personally believe this. God has a reason from telling us NOT to do things usually because it has a negative repercussion.


Without going into details, from personal experience I feel masturbation and sex which does not involve full penetration can allow attack from Satan.

Now, this is a bit odd to me. Married couples should not touch each other's genitals beyond what is needed to 'permit entry,' so to speak? This would even mean no oral sex even in marriage. In what way will this permit Satan's entry any more than having sex will? Thank you for sharing this. Could you (or anyone who has heard of this) elaborate?