Oh My! Miss California Risks (and possibly loses) the Crown for Her Beliefs

Hey, prettyFine!:grin:

I gotta admit that your post mentioning "heroin" made me chuckle... I know you mean she's a heroine, not a drug addict! (Hope you see me being lighthearted/silly here)....

This scripture is so fitting here, I believe....

Mark 8:35-37
35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

And I agree with the poster who said that maybe she lost because someone performed better than her, not necessarily because of her statements in support of hetero marriages. But then again.... sigh....

Would we have the courage to do the same if we were on an international stage? Hmmmm....
Good word, Foxy and it does fit, perfectly.

I don't think any of us would ahve backed down. My 'No' would have been so firm, quick, and on point, they would have ended the show! :yep:
 
I'm all for standing up for your beliefs but do it right. The answer was just not that great. She stuttered and said "In my country, I my family" huh? I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she was nervous. But a clear answer would have been "No, I do not believe all states should follow suite because of XYZ..." That's why she did not win, not just because people may not believe what she does, but because she did not prove her communication skills...

Thank you. The question was addressing legislation within states, not whether or not she believes gay marriage was wrong or not. She could have added her perspective in the end but address the question. It has nothing to do with whether its "great" that people can choose, because generally people cannot make the individual choice. Personally, I would not have given her the crown either because she did not give the best answer.
 
Thank you. The question was addressing legislation within states, not whether or not she believes gay marriage was wrong or not. She could have added her perspective in the end but address the question. It has nothing to do with whether its "great" that people can choose, because generally people cannot make the individual choice. Personally, I would not have given her the crown either because she did not give the best answer.

Let's call that thing what it is.... Perez Hilton asked the question, yes? Clearly he has an agenda.....

Perez just angled the question as a per-state policy issue to avoid an openly pro-homo inquiry.

I just saw a news clip of the contestant and she didn't use the word "wrong". She said what she stood for: Marriage is between a man and a woman"... which, I suppose, is a wrong answer to Perez.... Which begs the question of whether or not he could "fairly" judge a beauty pagent...excuse me...scholarship program.... Hmmm....
 
Good for Her! Thank you for sharing this Supergirl. :clapping:

You know, I'm just going to say it....

I've had just about enough of PC's (Punked Out Cowards).

If gays and gay supporters can boldly proclaim and take their stand for what they believe, what's the problem with True Christians?

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There is no compromise with this! Absolutely none!


So, I have a couple of questions...

1) I don't believe same-sex marriage is wrong...does that mean I'm not a "true" Christian?

2) Is my belief a sin?

For the record, I don't believe same-sex marriage is any more wrong than 2 other sinners getting married (just like millions of people do everyday). I also don't believe that same-sex marriage affects my salvation in any way, just like any other types of marriage (ex: polygamy).

But, I want to hear your views. If you'd rather pm me, that's fine too!
 
So, I have a couple of questions...

1) I don't believe same-sex marriage is wrong...does that mean I'm not a "true" Christian?

2) Is my belief a sin?

For the record, I don't believe same-sex marriage is any more wrong than 2 other sinners getting married (just like millions of people do everyday). I also don't believe that same-sex marriage affects my salvation in any way, just like any other types of marriage (ex: polygamy).

But, I want to hear your views. If you'd rather pm me, that's fine too!

If the two sinners are male and female, they have every right to be married as God so ordained, for marriage is between a man and a woman.

Homosexuality is an 'ongoing' sin. Liars, can stop lying, Adulterers can stop committing adultery, thiefs can stop sinning, meaning that they have repented and have turned away from that sin.

However, homosexuality is an unrepented 'ongoing' sin. To legalize marriage for it and to support such 'marriage', is in support of keeping this sin 'ongoing', unrepented and further spreading the influence of its acceptance and not seeing it as sin.

True Christians 'repent' from whatever sin they are in. It's just that simple. How on earth can someone 'purposely' chose to support a sin and further it and say they are followers of Jesus Christ?

The major cop out that supporters of homosexuality and same sex marriage, is that they 'divert' facing the truth by switching the focus on other sins, sinners. However, all sin must be repented, not supported.

A True Christian, is one who 'sees' this and acknowledges that no matter what sin is in operation, they will not make it acceptable.

There is nothing that supports homosexuality, not even 'nature' itsself. What woman in her right 'sexual' mind would want her face buried in another woman's anatomy? What man in his right 'sexual' mind would want to do the same to another man? It is against nature. It makes no sense. Especially with the diseases that follow. satan has a spirit over these precious souls which has confused their sexual desires. How could any Chrisitian support that? It's unreal. I'm sorry for being so graphic, but folks have to see the reality of this.
 
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Let's call that thing what it is.... Perez Hilton asked the question, yes? Clearly he has an agenda.....

Perez just angled the question as a per-state policy issue to avoid an openly pro-homo inquiry.

I just saw a news clip of the contestant and she didn't use the word "wrong". She said what she stood for: Marriage is between a man and a woman"... which, I suppose, is a wrong answer to Perez.... Which begs the question of whether or not he could "fairly" judge a beauty pagent...excuse me...scholarship program.... Hmmm....

I definitely agree with you. This Perez fellow is ridiculous, as I recently saw his interview. Ad nauseum. However, she still did not answer the question and someone else answered their question better. She did not deserve to win.
 
OH yeah, not to Hijack this thread, but.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIMMIE, ENJOY YOUR DAY, AND MAY THE LORD GOD UP ABOVE BLESS YOU TO SEE MANY, MANY, MANY MORE WOMAN OF GOD!!!! XOXOX'S

ps. I know we've never met, but I love your spirit!!
 
Guess not to me. It should have been a straight yes or no and the reason why.

ETA:

Also, people don't get to choose to enter into marriage or a same-sex marriage...at least in most states. So that wasn't true.

Thank you. The question was addressing legislation within states, not whether or not she believes gay marriage was wrong or not. She could have added her perspective in the end but address the question.

It has nothing to do with whether its "great" that people can choose, because generally people cannot make the individual choice. Personally,

I would not have given her the crown either because she did not give the best answer.
Hi Divya ... :wave:

I don't understand what the bolded means in both of your posts. Are you saying that no one can 'choose' to get married? How is that?

From my personal experience and understanding, heterosexual people can and do 'choose' to get married. gays can't and shouldn't be able to; it's illogical.

And it's not a controversial question. ;). I'm just trying to understand what you mean by it. That's all. :yep:

Thanks Divya and blessings to you. :love2:
 
OH yeah, not to Hijack this thread, but.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIMMIE, ENJOY YOUR DAY, AND MAY THE LORD GOD UP ABOVE BLESS YOU TO SEE MANY, MANY, MANY MORE WOMAN OF GOD!!!! XOXOX'S

ps. I know we've never met, but I love your spirit!!

:kiss: :bighug:

:thankyou: sunnysmyler. :love3:

I'm trying my best to behave today.... :rolleyes: It'll never happen....:lachen:
 
Hi Divya ... :wave:

I don't understand what the bolded means in both of your posts. Are you saying that no one can 'choose' to get married? How is that?

From my personal experience and understanding, heterosexual people can and do 'choose' to get married. gays can't and shouldn't be able to; it's illogical.

And it's not a controversial question. ;). I'm just trying to understand what you mean by it. That's all. :yep:

Thanks Divya and blessings to you. :love2:

Hi Shimmie,

No, that's not what I'm stating. I'm dealing with under the law. Under the law of most states, an individual cannot choose to marry whoever they want. Marriage in most states is between a man and a woman. In certain states like California and Florida, they have allowed voters to determine whether or not "gay marriage" is available. Therefore, it is not necessarily true that this country allows people to choose whoever they would like to marry based on the majority of laws. Whether or not a person agrees with that, her statement is incorrect.

ETA: Happy Birthday!!!!!!
 
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I definitely agree with you. This Perez fellow is ridiculous, as I recently saw his interview. Ad nauseum. However, she still did not answer the question and someone else answered their question better.

She did not deserve to win.

I don't think she needed to win....'their' fake crown. It was her Destiny to make a statement. Finally someone in the Hollywood spotlight had some guts to say what needed to be said.

According to Hollywood and the media with Vermont, Mass, Iowa, gay marriage is accepted by all.

Ummmmmmm, noooooooooooooo it's not. All because folks won't speak up about it. I've yet to see/hear/read anyone from Hollywood to say they do not support gay marriage. They're scared. And that's a shame. :nono:

If they only realized just how puny and powerless satan really is. And I'm speaking about those who profess to know God and will not speak up.

Even Rick Warren is wimping out...appearing as doing a back peddle. Regarding his interview with Larry King on CNN, he wimped out. Stop stuttering your stand and just stand for God, period!

The devil is nothing and no one to fear. God said in Isaiah 14:16, that we would look at the devil and say, "Wait a ;minute! Just one cotton pickin' minute. Is THIS the one who was causing all the confusion? All of the uproar and the rucous? This puny little imp? And all this time, he had folks afraid of him? This runt of a man?

"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;" (Isaiah 14:16)

I love this scripture! :happydance: devil ain't nobody scared of you!

We are the King's Kids. Why on earth are we fearful of being open with the Truth? And I don't mean that we are to be hurtful or insulting. Gays are not inhuman and Jesus is surely not untouched by their feelings...He indeed cares for them.

But there is still a stand we must take and speak up. The gay agenda has no problem speaking up. Look how nasty Perez spoke about the beauty Pagent. gays can be very 'snarky', snippy, and just plain nasty attitudes.

Look how nasty and cruel they were after Proposition 8 didn't go in their favor. They blamed Blacks for it. Truth being, gays have never had it as hard as Blacks and never will. :nono:
 
Hi Shimmie,

No, that's not what I'm stating. I'm dealing with under the law. Under the law of most states, an individual cannot choose to marry whoever they want. Marriage in most states is between a man and a woman. In certain states like California and Florida, they have allowed voters to determine whether or not "gay marriage" is available. Therefore, it is not necessarily true that this country allows people to choose whoever they would like to marry based on the majority of laws. Whether or not a person agrees with that, her statement is incorrect.

ETA: Happy Birthday!!!!!!



Okay, I get it! Thanks for explaining.

Thank you for the Birthday Wish.... :thankyou: :kiss:
 
Im glad she expressed her belief as well. Its ok that she will not represent the USA, she obviously represents someone far greater than the USA:yep:

She could be an atheist for all you know and just not agree with gay marriage. I think a little of this is taking a comment and running a mile with the story.
 
If the two sinners are male and female, they have every right to be married as God so ordained, for marriage is between a man and a woman.

Homosexuality is an 'ongoing' sin. Liars, can stop lying, Adulterers can stop committing adultery, thiefs can stop sinning, meaning that they have repented and have turned away from that sin.

However, homosexuality is an unrepented 'ongoing' sin. To legalize marriage for it and to support such 'marriage', is in support of keeping this sin 'ongoing', unrepented and further spreading the influence of its acceptance and not seeing it as sin.

True Christians 'repent' from whatever sin they are in. It's just that simple. How on earth can someone 'purposely' chose to support a sin and further it and say they are followers of Jesus Christ?

The major cop out that supporters of homosexuality and same sex marriage, is that they 'divert' facing the truth by switching the focus on other sins, sinners. However, all sin must be repented, not supported.

A True Christian, is one who 'sees' this and acknowledges that no matter what sin is in operation, they will not make it acceptable.

There is nothing that supports homosexuality, not even 'nature' itsself. What woman in her right 'sexual' mind would want her face buried in another woman's anatomy? What man in his right 'sexual' mind would want to do the same to another man? It is against nature. It makes no sense. Especially with the diseases that follow. satan has a spirit over these precious souls which has confused their sexual desires. How could any Chrisitian support that? It's unreal. I'm sorry for being so graphic, but folks have to see the reality of this.


There is a whole bunch I don't agree with here, but I'll just leave it alone. Thank you for answering my question.

I will say this, limiting people's rights/choices based on the group they belong to does not speak of true Christian love, IMO. I try to consider everyone's basic humanity first, and not their sins, because I expect others to treat me the same way.
 
There is a whole bunch I don't agree with here, but I'll just leave it alone. Thank you for answering my question.

I will say this, limiting people's rights/choices based on the group they belong to does not speak of true Christian love, IMO. I try to consider everyone's basic humanity first, and not their sins, because I expect others to treat me the same way.


We are the body of Christ and are limited in what we should or shouldn't do by the conviction of Holy Spirit and the word. Youths, as a group are limited in what they can and can't do because parents have their best interest at heart though they may disagree. Even, the govt has placed limits on certain segments of society because of what they deem is good for all.

I'm not really following you on how limitations and the love of God can't go hand in hand.:)
 
Another perspective on the subject (and is well articulated, IMHO):


THE MO'KELLY REPORT: Perez Hilton is Unready for Gay Marriage in America
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur52596.cfm

*Just in case you haven't heard about the controversy, blogger and now celebrity "judge" Perez Hilton used his "platform" as Miss USA judge to ask finalist Carrie Prejean, Miss California USA her views on gay marriage. To which, Carrie spoke openly and honestly.


Yes, a gay rights activist asks you about your views on gay marriage with a scorecard in hand...an impossible situation. Not surprisingly, Prejean ended up as first runner-up, likely due to the subsequent markdown by Hilton.


“I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anyone out there but that's how I was raised and that's how I think it should be between a man and a woman.” - Miss California USA Carrie Prejean


Perez Hilton in response to Carrie Prejean's answer in the Miss USA pageant, has called Prejean a "*****" on his blog perezhilton.com


In short form, Hilton has once again proven what has been historically wrong and misguided about the gay marriage rights movement. Such has been the paradox of the gay marriage discussion.


In any discussion of "rights, freedoms and liberties" there must be freedom and the right to disagree. Judging by Hilton's behavior, if you don't agree with gay marriage, you're a "*****"..or worse a "****" (his words).


Nothing like arguing for a more progressive nation by falling back on sexist terminology to disrespect those who disagree with you. Such behavior was not unlike what transpired here in California when gay marriage proponents verbally assaulted many African-Americans with "******" to express their displeasure with African-Americans voting in support of Proposition 8.


Yes, calling women "*****es" and Black people "******" to help advance one's "civil rights" agenda. Great strategy there. If that doesn't win over the hearts and minds of people, nothing will.


But speaking of us "Black people."


Mo'Kelly doesn't "agree" with right-wing racial arsonist Pat Buchanan on anything fundamental to African-Americans, but Mo'Kelly more importantly understands that there is a place for people like Buchanan in America...BECAUSE it is America.


Carrie Prejean is not a "*****" because she disagrees with gay marriage and such beliefs are consistent with the definition of freedom and equality in America. There are some people believe it or not who are just fine with being heterosexual. It doesn't a priori mean s/he is a bigot or is "anti-gay." There are some gay people who disagree with Affirmative Action, and Mo'Kelly is smart enough to know, that doesn't make them "anti-Black" either. We should be able to differentiate and discern between the two; disagree without being disagreeable in the process.


Prejean has created no law to abridge the rights of any ethnic or sexual preference group and she's done nothing to personally embarrass the Miss USA pageant as "some" have alleged.


She simply answered the question put before her.


She was asked for her honest opinion and she gave it. She was not supposed to be evaluated on the basis of whether we found her to be "progressive enough" or "politically correct enough." Supposedly, her answer was to be judged on the merits of how thoroughly and well-constructed her answer ultimately was.


Guess not.


It's a beauty pageant, not a political debate. The only person who was unclear was Perez Hilton.


If Rev. Al Sharpton asked a racially charged question to Prejean and she answered the question in the same manner, staying true to her beliefs; Mo'Kelly would feel the same way. She answered the question that was put before her, from a gay-rights activist blogger with an agenda. The only person who should be ashamed was the person who asked the question under those circumstances.


It was a beauty pageant stage, not a political one to advance one's personal platform.


What Hilton fails to understand and refuses to acknowledge is that marriage by definition is a religious ceremony, meaning it has religious overtones and connotations for many people. If you should ask an Islamic man for his religious views and you don't agree with Islam's treatment of women, it's both the man's right to worship as he chooses and our right to disagree and even dislike those beliefs. Freedom is a dialogue, not a monologue by those who may try to shout down all opposing viewpoints.


"Tolerance" is a two-way street.


Parallel: There are plenty people in this country who believe in polygamy. There are a number of religions which observe and encourage polygamy in this the 21st century. Conversely, polygamy is not a legal right. Americans are "free" to worship as they choose, but we still are a society of laws which supersede some worship practices.


Polygamy has been outlawed by most societies, but there are schisms of Mormonism and Hinduism for example which hold it in high regard.


To the point...


What is irrefutable is that marriage is de facto a ceremony, a union borne of religious tradition, and is not a legal right in and of itself in any varying form we may see fit. If it were, polygamy would be equally as viable a marriage union. One can't argue that a man has a "right" to marry a man, and ALSO argue a man doesn't have the "right" to marry two women.


Meaning...


Either there is a strict definition of marriage or there is NO definition of marriage at all. One can't have it both ways. Draw the line somewhere or not at all. Presently Mo'Kelly can't legally "marry" two women simultaneously. Is that discrimination?


Of course not.


In the end, Prejean should not be disrespected and ridiculed (openly or privately) because she does not agree with same-sex marriage. Freedom of speech intimates dialogue, so those who disagree with her should engage her in dialogue not perverse disrespect. Perez Hilton's behavior has only ensured the widening of the gulf between gay marriage supporters and opponents.


He had ample opportunity to at the minimum engage her and the larger public in the debate about same-sex marriage in these subsequent moments. He instead continued on his low-road, opting for "*****" and "****" references.


How "enlightened" and "progressive" of him...


Yes, "persuasive arguments" they are...no doubt. If someone didn't agree with gay marriage before the Miss USA pageant, surely the chants of "*****" and "****" will change their minds...


In addition, the longer people like Perez Hilton continue to help widen this gulf, the longer it will take for the genuine and widespread acceptance of same-sex marriage...assuming that's Hilton's goal. Maybe Mo'Kelly and others have given him too much credit. Acceptance can not be brow-beaten into being.


Respect is earned through demonstration...not demanded.


If the gay marriage movement wants to take anything away from the African-American civil rights movement, take that.


If Perez Hilton desires respect, acceptance and reverence for gay rights, gay marriage and gay people in general, the first prerequisite is to conduct oneself in a way demonstrative and consistent with respect and acceptance. Until that time comes, he's free to keep spinning his wheels and reinforcing all of the negative stereotypes promulgated in regards to same-sex marriage proponents. Perez Hilton is obviously in no way ready for gay marriage in America. And if he isn't...he has no business trying to lecture anybody else on why we should be.


The Mo’Kelly Report is an entertainment journal with a political slant; published weekly at www.eurweb.com. It is meant to inform, infuse and incite meaningful discourse…as well as entertain. The Mo’Kelly Report is syndicated by Blogburst. For more Mo’Kelly, http://mokellyreport.wordpress.com. Mo’Kelly can be reached at [email protected] and he welcomes all commentary.
 
We are the body of Christ and are limited in what we should or shouldn't do by the conviction of Holy Spirit and the word. Youths, as a group are limited in what they can and can't do because parents have their best interest at heart though they may disagree. Even, the govt has placed limits on certain segments of society because of what they deem is good for all.

As the body of Christ we are limited in what we should or shouldn't do. Those millions of people not in the body are not under the same limitations.

I'm not really following you on how limitations and the love of God can't go hand in hand.:)

I believe that it is most important for me as a believer to love others as God loves me. He may not agree with everything I do, but He allows me the free will to do it. I may not agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe that just because I feel something is wrong means that I am allowed to dictate to others what they can and cannot do. (Admittedly, I am only referring to actions that do not harm others and not something like murder.)

There are many people who don't subscribe to the same beliefs that I do but I'm not going to participate in passing/supporting any laws that restrict their choices just because what they're doing is wrong or unacceptable according to my belief system. Because if the tables were turned, how would I want to be treated? I would expect to be treated with love and respect for my humanity, even though my beliefs may be different.
 
As the body of Christ we are limited in what we should or shouldn't do. Those millions of people not in the body are not under the same limitations.

Right, they are not but that statement was based on you equating limitations with a lack of agape love



I believe that it is most important for me as a believer to love others as God loves me. He may not agree with everything I do, but He allows me the free will to do it. I may not agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe that just because I feel something is wrong means that I am allowed to dictate to others what they can and cannot do. (Admittedly, I am only referring to actions that do not harm others and not something like murder.)

And do we not suffer the consequences if we do whatever we want to do? The Prodigal son was allowed to do what he wanted and suffered the consequences. I think we differ because my question on this issue would be "Is it love to let someone go down down a path that leads to no good according to God?"

If we, believers, are His ekklesia then what are we supposed to do if not influence every avenue of society? Someone's going to do it so it should be the ppl of God. The ekklesia are the called out citizens who enforce the policies of the King. This is the term Jesus used and it is translated as church in the bible. It is not a religious term but a political one since other rulers would have had their own ekklesia. The ekkelsia takes the will of the King to the ppl


There are many people who don't subscribe to the same beliefs that I do but I'm not going to participate in passing/supporting any laws that restrict their choices just because what they're doing is wrong or unacceptable according to my belief system. Because if the tables were turned, how would I want to be treated? I would expect to be treated with love and respect for my humanity, even though my beliefs may be different.

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As the body of Christ we are limited in what we should or shouldn't do. Those millions of people not in the body are not under the same limitations.



I believe that it is most important for me as a believer to love others as God loves me. He may not agree with everything I do, but He allows me the free will to do it. I may not agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe that just because I feel something is wrong means that I am allowed to dictate to others what they can and cannot do. (Admittedly, I am only referring to actions that do not harm others and not something like murder.)

There are many people who don't subscribe to the same beliefs that I do but I'm not going to participate in passing/supporting any laws that restrict their choices just because what they're doing is wrong or unacceptable according to my belief system. Because if the tables were turned, how would I want to be treated? I would expect to be treated with love and respect for my humanity, even though my beliefs may be different.

I think another way to look at your point is to consider that we as believers are supposed to DEFEND THE FAITH....

So it's a yin-yang kind of thing....

While you may not dictate to others what they can or cannot do, as a believer, there's a responsibility to uphold the Bible and at anytime if there is a broad attack on the faith, we're to defend it. So instead of thinking of it at the individual level, it's even more critical at the societal/political level.

So, as a voting citizen in the state of Michigan, in 2004 when the marriage definition proposal was put on the ballot, I voted IN FAVOR OF marriage between a man and a woman. My faith informs my politics.

Ask the question a different way, I may have a different answer. Same sex marriage? Nope. Civil unions in which government respects ANYONE (regardless of sexual preference/orientation) sharing property, etc.? That's something I feel does not violate my faith.
 
There is a whole bunch I don't agree with here, but I'll just leave it alone. Thank you for answering my question.

I will say this, limiting people's rights/choices based on the group they belong to does not speak of true Christian love, IMO. I try to consider everyone's basic humanity first, and not their sins, because I expect others to treat me the same way.
Let me say this. I perceive you as speaking from a heart of compassion for gays. It's understandable and I respect you for this.

But compassion does not promote sin and the furthering of it. If you truly have compassion upon gays, which I believe you do, than allow it to go beyond what you see now and into their the future of their eternity.

Homosexuality is unrepented sin. Any sin, that goes unrepented is endangering ones eternal future. It also endangers the lives of young children who are very impressionable and are being taught to see this lifestyle as normal and exceptable. And it is not.

To support such sin and to especially support a gay marriage is totally against God's intent and design for His creation. Two men are not designed, fashioned nor created to come together sexually. Neither are two women. A look in the mirror will tell anyone this.

*sigh* I feel badly for you. I feel badly because satan has you deceived and he is having a hay day with your faith. For if satan can deceive you with this, how much more will he come after you with something greater. satan is a master deceiver and believe it or not, he's attacking your faith and your love for gays will not save you from him. :nono:

We cannot make excuses for homosexuality. It's a denial of Jesus; meaning that one does not believe that His death on the cross has the power to redeem their sin. It's saying that Jesus did not include them on the cross when indeed Jesus did. Jesus paid the price for the sin of homosexuality and it's there for them in full.

It's a dead ringer to deny this. A dead ringer for faith, one's eternity and for life, period.

To perceive that someone lacks in God's love, because they do not advocate homosexuality is only one of satan's attack modes to throw people off the target. For God forbid, no Christian wants to be unloving :rolleyes:.... Please! That's one of the oldest tricks and trips in the book. I'm not falling for it. Neither is God. :nono:

Let me put this out there.

God loves all of His creation. So much so that nothing and no one else, not even the angels in Heaven, merited the Life, Death and Blood of His Son Jesus Christ.

The love of God for us is so strong that He sees us as the jewels and treasures of His heart. Jewels unblimished. Now when He sees us in sin, there must be repentance and / or chastisement. For God chastises those whom He loves. It's principle otherwise, one's life is lost. And because God does not wish that any of us would perish or become lost, He speaks His word through those who are bold enough to speak it.

There will never be acceptance nor excuses for homosexuality. It must be repented. God says it is against the natural use of the body. No matter who agrees or disagrees, that's the way it is. And it's that way because of God's love, not cruelity. :yep:

No one is hatin' on gays. :nono: They deserve to know the fullness of God. satan has stolen that away from them.
 
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What is irrefutable is that marriage is de facto a ceremony, a union borne of religious tradition, and is not a legal right in and of itself in any varying form we may see fit.

nicely stated--I think that's where most Christians are coming from--marriage was created by God, so you can't just put two same-sex people together and call it marriage
 
I feel bad. I feel badly for gays. satan has created such a mess for them and it's so heartbreaking.

homosexuality is a 'spirit' and satan knows that it is a stronghold that has the hearts of these precious lives so entangled with sexual confusion, that they don't know that there is a way out.

Sexual nature in itsself is a very strong element of humanity. It was designed in Beauty by one who is Beautiful, the Beauty of God our Father.

satan with all of his jealousy and pride who is against God, sought to pervert the very element of mankind ...man and woman's sexuality as a slap in God's face. You know it's the devil when the very opposite of what God created is taking place and is fighting so violently to stay in action.

Jesus didn't die for any of us to stay in sin. Yet satan has deceived many that instead of sin, homosexuality is a lifestyle to be accepted no matter what God intended.

This saddens me for so many lives have and are being ruined as a result of this mass demonic deception. :nono:

My prayers are for a mass deliverance of homosexuals and for them to have life and life in Jesus as God so gave them to have.

In Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen. :love3:
 
I believe that it is most important for me as a believer to love others as God loves me. He may not agree with everything I do, but He allows me the free will to do it. I may not agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe that just because I feel something is wrong means that I am allowed to dictate to others what they can and cannot do. (Admittedly, I am only referring to actions that do not harm others and not something like murder.)

There are many people who don't subscribe to the same beliefs that I do but I'm not going to participate in passing/supporting any laws that restrict their choices just because what they're doing is wrong or unacceptable according to my belief system. Because if the tables were turned, how would I want to be treated? I would expect to be treated with love and respect for my humanity, even though my beliefs may be different.

I can say that I understand where you are coming from. I am a soft-hearted person and one day I found myself feeling sorry for homosexuals and realizing that I have not been in their shoes. I came to the board and Shimmie set me straight! :D It is hard to be a Christian and not love and show concern for others. That is our nature. So I do see where you are coming from. But I believe satan would love it for us to be so Christlike and loving about this that we become deceived right along with the homosexual population.
 
I can say that I understand where you are coming from. I am a soft-hearted person and one day I found myself feeling sorry for homosexuals and realizing that I have not been in their shoes. I came to the board and Shimmie set me straight! :D

It is hard to be a Christian and not love and show concern for others. That is our nature. So I do see where you are coming from. But I believe satan would love it for us to be so Christlike and loving about this that we become deceived right along with the homosexual population.

Don't anyone faint, okay?


But I'm extremely soft-hearted. :yep: Very. Marshmallow soft. :yep:

But I've learned that our kindness will be taken for weakness and satan will run all over top of us. That's what he wants. he wants to suppress our power against him and be fearful of taking a stand agains him and his mess. I learned the hard way.
 
Nice. She said that she was not interested in being politically correct, but chose to be biblically correct.

Hopefully, the pageant will reconsider using Perez in the future. Should someone who calls contestants B--es & C--ts if they disagree with his beliefs really be sitting in the judge's chair?
 
Women who win beauty pageants don't win because they give great, eloquent answers, let's be real. She answer it good enough, better than most of the other would have. I'm glad she lost because she is better than that lame title. And she didn't back down, good for her.
 
Like I said in the other thread about this in the off topic forum:

If what she said is a problem for people...this just confirms that we are living in our last days.
 
My fiance said it jumped out at him when she spoke about being Biblically correct, b/c doesn't the Bible talk about vanity? Beauty pageants are seeped in vanity. Not to mention immodesty as so many prance around in skimpy bikinis...

I had to admit...seriously good points.
 
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