Warning: Strong Meat here!!!!!!

[Shimmie]

Are you really for serious?

I mean really really.

Yes gays are spreading sexual diseases. But newsflash, heterosexuals are spreading those same diseases. Sexually active people spread diseases when they have unprotected sex, it's as simple as that.

Any type of unprotected sex is wrong and unsafe. It's not just gays that are involved in unprotected sex. And for this blogger to say that the gay lifestyle is marked by having 10-20 partners a week is just ludicrous and outright propaganda.

Being gay or leading a "gay lifestyle" is not synonymous with changing partners frequently. To believe something like that is just backwards and simple minded.

I'm totally serious! AND I'm fully aware of heterosexuals who are passing STD's around as well. It all falls in line with sexual sin.

To wit... how does any of what you share 'JUSTIFY' homosexuality? It is unrepented sin.

The difference with heterosexuals is that they can repent of their sexual sin...stop; cease from the sinful sexual activity. homosexuals choose not to. Instead they choose to continue with their activity.

Why would any Chrisitian support this?

For any Christian to come to the defense of homosexuality, is denial of the Cross upon where Jesus died for ALL sins, not some but all. Which obviously says that homosexuals do not have to remain in their sinful state of being.

 

[sunnysmyler]

Thanks Shimmie, I'm not trying to start "drama", believe me, but for too long, I was one of those ppl who couldn't imagine my favorite pastor or prophetess actually saying or doing wrong, but I had to take my eyes off man, and put them on GOD!!!!

Regarding Bible Study, it was on the area of DISCERNMENT which means to detect, distinguish between right and wrong.

1. There is not true discernment if there is no WORD, you are "Word Void"
2. Discernment isn't based on "natural" senses, it's insight based on the spirit and
knowledge of the Word.

Proverbs 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Seek- (Hebrew) Baqash: to search out by any method specifically in worship or prayer

3. The more we search GOD out, the more we know who HE is, therefore when we seek the LORD, we understand all things.

4. Discernment will prevent falling because Conviction comes along with it!! JOB 6:30

Job 6:30 Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?KJV

1Kings 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

5. Discernment is governed by LOVE, if it isn't, it's no good!!! 1 Cor 13:1-3
1Corinthians 13: 1-3 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

So what I posted earlier directly relates to Discernment.....Just because someone is popular, well known, can "preach" like no tomorrow, have lots of conferences, is on TBN every time you turn around, ultimately we MUST seek GOD for ourselves.....do NOT rely on someone else to bring understanding of what GOD desires of our lives!!!

 

[msa]

I'm totally serious! AND I'm fully aware of heterosexuals who are passing STD's around as well. It all falls in line with sexual sin.

To wit... how does any of what you share 'JUSTIFY' homosexuality? It is unrepented sin.

The difference with heterosexuals is that they can repent of their sexual sin...stop; cease from the sinful sexual activity. homosexuals choose not to. Instead they choose to continue with their activity.

Why would any Chrisitian support this?

For any Christian to come to the defense of homosexuality, is denial of the Cross upon where Jesus died for ALL sins, not some but all. Which obviously says that homosexuals do not have to remain in their sinful state of being.

I am not justifying or defending homosexuality or any other sexual sin.

My only point was that piece of information was based on stereotypes and was blatant propaganda. Christians should not be spreading lies nor prejudice.

The difference with heterosexuals is that they can repent of their sexual sin...stop; cease from the sinful sexual activity. homosexuals choose not to. Instead they choose to continue with their activity.

Just because homosexuals may choose not to stop their sin, does not mean they cannot repent. They can, just like anyone else.

And please, there are many many heterosexuals out their who choose to continue their sexual sin as well. The sins are both the same, one no greater than the other.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Ok, I'm back, (went to bible study). I did not call T. D Jakes gay, what I said was that I heard with my own ears, when he was asked during an interview, if gay ppl are going to hell, his response was very wishy washy, not clear cut, based on what the word said, it was like "well.....each man......no one knows" not, "he that lies with another man, is an abomination, and his blood will be upon him". Thank you for the clarification.

This is not gossip, the fact is these preachers are influencing ppl everyday, via the television and through their ministries, we as true believers should be aware and SOUND THE ALARM, to those who aren't as strong and are unaware of the wiles of enemy. I was talking about "listening to the source" and "the CF is sounding more and more like a gossip column". Thats what I said and I will stand by what I said. As a pastor, I totally understand what goes on in the "church" as a whole and yes, there are men and woman who proclaim that they are pastors and teachers of God's word who are doing all sorts of things, yet there are many who don't encourage those of us who are doing what we are suppose to do in the pulpit (well, except their own pastors whom they feel are doing right, yet...do you really know???) and there are those who sit in the pews and do the same thing, while wagging their fingers at those who are in the pulpits. What I said also was that WE must be concerned with the souls of mankind, rather than calling out ministers names with their sins or lack thereof. Sounding the Alarm will happen...it has since the church began. I'm not coming against you, sis...I'm just tired of many things that I'm hearing on this forum, and this thread touched on some of that.

And the blog wasn't aimed at the homosexual community at large, it was aimed at Preachers who are in the pulpit, full of sin, leading GODS ppl astray with their sinful lust and their attempts to "ok" or "justify" certain acts of sin. You began this thread, dear sister...talking about the gay community, and then it turned into preachers in the pulpit who are full of sin. I dunno, maybe I'm missing something here.

Yes Shimmie, I touch and agree with you in your prayer. It's not for those who are true to spreading the GOOD NEWS, but for those who are compromising their holiness for fortune and fame!!!

I hope that my words are taken with love and not anger because I happen to disagree with the way it was presented. My goal is to always lead a life of peace with all men...because God MUST get the glory!

Blessings to all!

N&W

 

[sunnysmyler]

N&W....girl, I would never be upset, lol, and it is taken in LOVE, but please realize that the original post wasn't my words, but those of the blog of Elder Lewis, that's the way he chose to "develop" the topic of his blog regarding homosexuality in the pulpit.

"What I said also was that WE must be concerned with the souls of mankind, rather than calling out ministers names with their sins or lack thereof"
I agree with what you are saying to a degree, because you are Aware, there are many out there who are not, who will and can be led astray by false prophets and I feel it is our job to take the blinders off and see whats really going on!

It's like saying, "well I don't care if two men want to marry each other, as long as I can get married to a man, I'm alright", NOT SO!!!
We as believers should be stirred up in our spirit to know that there are men and women, preaching hearsay and false doctrines!!!

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

I totally agree. I've seen and heard many a rumor and folks who are used of satan to 'attack' the Church will use the 'homo accuso' tactic to try and shut them up from preaching the true word of God.

Who cares? People can say what they want. They lied on Jesus too; yet it never stopped Jesus from fulfilling the 'Call' that God had on His life while here on earth.

satan always attacks what / whom he fears the most. Who cares? I surely don't.

God commanded us: "Be not afraid of their faces; speak what I tell you to speak."

Jesus made it plain, 'Shake the dust off your feet and keep it moving'.

Rhett Butler said, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a "

And like one of 'Baby Boys' said: "Evil Shall Not Triumph Over Good".

When it comes to rumors, they have no weight nor power to stop God's Plan and Focus. I pray that these men and women of God never give up and never shut up. For as God shut the mouths of the lions; He'll also stop the mouths of liars.

Precious Wavy, I'm just gonna say it and put it out there to those in ministry who have succombed to fear and polictical compromise.

MINISTERS . . .

Whoever you are out there . . .

Those of You Called of the Lord . . .

Keep ministering God's word and don't you dare stop.... Don't you dare.

For if God be for you, who dare be against you. There are more that be with you, than those who are posed against you.

Don't you dare give up and don't you dare shut up!

God is looking and raising up those who will not give in, succomb to pressure and threats and rumors.

God has hidden you in the cleft of His Rock; God has hidden you from the scourge of the tongue.

God has hidden you from the snare of the fowler and the noisesome pestilence.

How dare you run and flee from the enemy when God has given you total Victory long before the attacks ever came upon you.

Where you are, God has already been there before you. He has made your way perfect. God has prepared a table before you in the presence of thine enemies.

Minister's do not dare give up! Do not dare, shut up! God has given you a mission to cover the earth with His word... Go forth and keep not back.

In Jesus' Name.... Amen and Amen. :Rose:

Those of you, who are called of the Lord...

Thank you, Shimmie. There are many of us who are being persecuted by THE CHURCH, and we are doing what we are suppose to do! It can be very disheartening and discouraging to even hear some of the things that are being said, not just here on the forum, but other places.

I am fully aware that there are those who are in the pulpits that are not correct...but, God will make sure that those that do, get their just rewards.

I always remember the story in John when Jesus and the disciples were sitting together and Peter asked "Lord, and what shall this man do? And Jesus said to him, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to you? follow you me."

ETA: I so appreciate your encouragement to those of us who do minister the Gospel. It's not easy for us and I know so many that are blessed when the church uplifts and encourage and not tear down. You are one of those people that do and you keep me so encouraged....thank you and I love you, sis.

 

[meka]

We have to consider the source. I remember the man who proclaimed and declared that President Obama had sex with him in the back of his limo and we all found out that it wasn't true.

There is so much to do in the Kingdom than to seek out information about what others are doing...we all will be judged according to the deeds done with our bodies. We must try to keep ourselves pure before God, rather than calling others out with their sins or lack thereof.

This forum is beginning to sound more like a gossip column than a Christian Forum.erplexed (I'm not saying its you, I'm speaking in general)

It's beginning to make me nauseous

A to the MEN!!!

 

[Nice & Wavy]

N&W....girl, I would never be upset, lol, and it is taken in LOVE, but please realize that the original post wasn't my words, but those of the blog of Elder Lewis, that's the way he chose to "develop" the topic of his blog regarding homosexuality in the pulpit.

"What I said also was that WE must be concerned with the souls of mankind, rather than calling out ministers names with their sins or lack thereof"
I agree with what you are saying to a degree, because you are Aware, there are many out there who are not, who will and can be led astray by false prophets and I feel it is our job to take the blinders off and see whats really going on!

It's like saying, "well I don't care if two men want to marry each other, as long as I can get married to a man, I'm alright", NOT SO!!!
We as believers should be stirred up in our spirit to know that there are men and women, preaching hearsay and false doctrines!!!

Thanks, sis. I'm happy about that I knew that the original post was from someone else..that's why I said "consider the source." Pastor Ted Haggard also proclaimed against homosexuality, yet was doing it in the pulpit. We must always consider the source.

As a person who evangelizes the lost, I totally understand that there are many people who are being led astray. My point is that almost everyday there is a thread started in this forum by someone speaking against homosexuality, what pastors should or shouldn't be doing, etc...yet, I don't see many posts speaking about those who ARE doing the work of the ministry with the love of God in their hearts and leading many, many people to Christ. I just don't see it here and its disheartening. That's why I said the CF is becoming more like a gossip column.

We must proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ till He comes for His Church. There are those who God has given the directives to tell about the sins of pastors, but I do know that other pastors and leaders are the ones that are to call them out specifically...its a mandate for us to do so.

Have a blessed night, sis.

 

[sunnysmyler]

N&W...this is NOT a personal attack towards you and the MANY other men and women of GOD who are truly SOLD OUT to preaching the UNADULTURATED WORD OF GOD!!!!
I stand with Shimmies prayer!!!!!!

 

[Shimmie]

Thanks Shimmie, I'm not trying to start "drama", believe me, but for too long, I was one of those ppl who couldn't imagine my favorite pastor or prophetess actually saying or doing wrong, but I had to take my eyes off man, and put them on GOD!!!!

Regarding Bible Study, it was on the area of DISCERNMENT which means to detect, distinguish between right and wrong.

1. There is not true discernment if there is no WORD, you are "Word Void"
2. Discernment isn't based on "natural" senses, it's insight based on the spirit and
knowledge of the Word.

Proverbs 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Seek- (Hebrew) Baqash: to search out by any method specifically in worship or prayer

3. The more we search GOD out, the more we know who HE is, therefore when we seek the LORD, we understand all things.

4. Discernment will prevent falling because Conviction comes along with it!! JOB 6:30

Job 6:30 Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?KJV

1Kings 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

5. Discernment is governed by LOVE, if it isn't, it's no good!!! 1 Cor 13:1-3
1Corinthians 13: 1-3 1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

So what I posted earlier directly relates to Discernment.....Just because someone is popular, well known, can "preach" like no tomorrow, have lots of conferences, is on TBN every time you turn around, ultimately we MUST seek GOD for ourselves.....do NOT rely on someone else to bring understanding of what GOD desires of our lives!!!

I 'Knew' you had a Good Word! It's a blessing and I thank you for sharing it. God always knows how to tie the loose ends and bring about clarity... "Discernment."

What's sad about the leaders is that too many 'sheep' will follow. It weakens the Church. We see it already with so many who say they follow Christ, yet deny Him.

You shared an excellent term "Word Void"...

I don't care who tries to come against my stand upon His word, I'm still standing. I'm used to the battle. It doesn't even phase me anymore. And it all ties in to your message from Bible Study, "Discerning'.

Precious Wavy shared a message a few threads back "Open My Eyes", and it all ties in with "Discerning". God has been preparing us, here in this forum; preparing us to open our eyes and to discern. For there is a spirit of anti Christ which is out to deny the faith upon which we behold. The faith which we know to be true, yet many are in denial of it. We must open our eyes and discern what we hear and from whom. We must discern that of which is 'Word Void'.

Blessings :Rose:

 

[meka]

I guess I get what Bishop Jakes is saying, if in fact you heard right. No one knows where ANY sinners heart is at death. They could have made peace with the Lord, turned from their wicked ways. Say if they wake up that morning and had a revelation (someone could have been praying for their deliverance) and they decided to repent AND turn from their wicked ways, and that afternoon, the Lord saw fit to call them home. Are they going to hell? Or do we remember them being homosexual yesterday? There are many people on their deathbed who repent, accept the Lord as their saviour. Do you think the Lord hears them? I think He does and he acts accordingly. Now will they pay for their sins, most definately, we all will. Homosexual, liars, backbiters, idolaters, fornicators and adulterers.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

I'm totally serious! AND I'm fully aware of heterosexuals who are passing STD's around as well. It all falls in line with sexual sin.

To wit... how does any of what you share 'JUSTIFY' homosexuality? It is unrepented sin.

The difference with heterosexuals is that they can repent of their sexual sin...stop; cease from the sinful sexual activity. homosexuals choose not to. Instead they choose to continue with their activity.

Why would any Chrisitian support this?

For any Christian to come to the defense of homosexuality, is denial of the Cross upon where Jesus died for ALL sins, not some but all. Which obviously says that homosexuals do not have to remain in their sinful state of being.

Thank you for this post, sis. You are so on point

 

[Nice & Wavy]

I guess I get what Bishop Jakes is saying, if in fact you heard right. No one knows where ANY sinners heart is at death. They could have made peace with the Lord, turned from their wicked ways. Say if they wake up that morning and had a revelation (someone could have been praying for their deliverance) and they decided to repent AND turn from their wicked ways, and that afternoon, the Lord saw fit to call them home. Are they going to hell? Or do we remember them being homosexual yesterday? There are many people on their deathbed who repent, accept the Lord as their saviour. Do you think the Lord hears them? I think He does and he acts accordingly. Now will they pay for their sins, most definately, we all will. Homosexual, liars, backbiters, idolaters, fornicators and adulterers.

I have been by many a bedside of those who before they have taken their last breath, made the decision to give their hearts to Jesus Christ and make Him Lord of their lives. That's what our goal is as Ministers of Reconcilliation....reconciling those who are lost, back to God.

By any means necessary!

 

[sunnysmyler]

:blowkiss: To You Sis Shimmie and Sis Nice n Wavy!!!! Have a great night ladies....got to be up in at 5am!!!!

 

[Nice & Wavy]

:blowkiss: To You Sis Shimmie and Sis Nice n Wavy!!!! Have a great night ladies....got to be up in at 5am!!!!

And to you, sis sunnysmyler! Blessings to you, always.

 

[Shimmie]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

Thank you, Shimmie. There are many of us who are being persecuted by THE CHURCH, and we are doing what we are suppose to do! It can be very disheartening and discouraging to even hear some of the things that are being said, not just here on the forum, but other places.

I am fully aware that there are those who are in the pulpits that are not correct...but, God will make sure that those that do, get their just rewards.

I always remember the story in John when Jesus and the disciples were sitting together and Peter asked "Lord, and what shall this man do? And Jesus said to him, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to you? follow you me."

ETA: I so appreciate your encouragement to those of us who do minister the Gospel. It's not easy for us and I know so many that are blessed when the church uplifts and encourage and not tear down. You are one of those people that do and you keep me so encouraged....thank you and I love you, sis.

You are among the faithful who never stagger nor waiver at the Truth! Your loyalty as a Friend, Sister and Minister is a great treasure.

I've just had it up to my roots with those who call themselves Christians and come up with the most foolish ideals and concepts and compromises.

Is they is, or is they ain't for Christ?

Too many are wimpers. I'm not backing down from my stand. I've come too far and I paid a great price for my walk in Christ Jesus. I'm not accepting a watered down Gospel from anyone.

I love you and Mr. Wavy with all of my heart. The two of you are pure in Marriage and Ministry.....totally UNCOMPROMISED. Totally for Christ Jesus and for one another.

I Heart you both... :heart2:

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

You are among the faithful who never stagger nor waiver at the Truth! Your loyalty as a Friend, Sister and Minister is a great treasure.

I've just had it up to my roots with those who call themselves Christians and come up with the most foolish ideals and concepts and compromises.

Is they is, or is they ain't for Christ?

Too many are wimpers. I'm not backing down from my stand. I've come too far and I paid a great price for my walk in Christ Jesus. I'm not accepting a watered down Gospel from anyone.

I love you and Mr. Wavy with all of my heart. The two of you are pure in Marriage and Ministry.....totally UNCOMPROMISED. Totally for Christ Jesus and for one another.

I Heart you both... :heart2:

And we :heart2: you too, sis! Thank you for those words of love and encouragement! I so appreciate you...you know I do!

@ the bolded....you go girl!

 

[Almaz]

Please no offense intended. I mean no malintent



Okay Then lets do this. I am not justifying anything but this is bases on stererotypes like saying ALL BLACK women are sexual fiends and video hos. With the rate of Black women being infected with HIV through Hetrosexual sex is rising I am sure someone can use that to say that Look black women spreads AIDS.


We KNOW that is not true and when I am at the hospital 99% of the sexually transmitted diseases I see in women were in hetrosexual relationships not gay sex. 75% percent of these people are Black women. Which breaks my heart. Breaks my heart to the core because it is usually Black men that are doing this. Again breaks my heart. But unfortunately some people in our community don't want to talk about those things but this is something that needs to be brought out because if I see another HIV positive black woman that had NO idea she was infected because she was with the same man for 5+ years I am going to vomit. Because he was infected knew about it and did not tell her. Or he was with a women that was infected and did not tell him. Or he was going to church and living in the DL.

I have 2 Preachers that I deal with right now that are both HIV positive but I don't mess with HIPPA. They both said that got it from Women. 1 I believe the other I question.

I have worked in Churches in Chicago trying to help women with their reproductive health. I have worked with ministers trying to teach abstinance. (which I feel is the best policy) Sometimes people listen and sometimes people are downright against it.


So I guess we don't need to talk about or post any more colouring threads anymore because we don't need to hear how one colours. When they colour. Do they play music while colour, What position you colour in. How many times a month you colour. What music you listen to when you colour. Where you like to colour. How many times you colour in a week, month. How many times do you colour in the bathroom. Where do you like to colour. Do you colour naked or with clothes on. Do you like to colour in Yoga positions. Karma Sutra positions LOLOLOL

And THEN come on the Christian site and talk About HOW SAVED someone is. When I know that a lot of these women probably some posting right now AIN'T married some never have been and some never will be.

Just saying

But I guess that is okay since it is not homosexual sex as far as WE know of. After all this IS the internet. LOLOLOL

No offense intended.


But isn't that a sexual sin. All I am saying is that these are people and just because they spread the word of G-d that does not mean that they alway abide by it. So don't get so disappointed when they screw up because they are human.

I am always wary of Super preachers/Rabbis/Imams anyway cause sometimes their power gets overwhelming and they can be lead astray. Their influence can be overwhelming and it could lead a lot of people astray. I would not ever want to be in that position because that is a hell a burden on your shoulders.

I am not justifying anything I just see the reality in my life dealing with people with these disases. Gay and straight.

We all need to get right with G-d. No matter who we are. And how we treat people Gay or Straight.

As far as gays are concerned they are here they are not going anywhere. Yes they are in your Churches, Mosques and Synagouges. Sometmes we know who they are and sometimes we don't. People in your family. That relative no one talks too. That cousin that is the "Black Sheep" of the family. That nephew that no one ever talks about because he is doing his own thing. The whispers of that cousin in where ever who has had the same room mate for 20 years. That brother that is a "comfirmed Bachelor". The whispers you heard as a child regarding a certain relative.

I get so tired of seeing Gay young men kicked out on the street in Chicago trying to find a way because their so-called "SAVED" family instead of trying to help him kick him out on the street with no money and no place to go. Selling themselves to Straight and GAY men Married with families or single looking for some kick action.

How do we know and what can we do to help them repent if we do know?

If you have suggestions that could help me in my work. I would really appreciate it. Because this is what I deal with on a daily basis. I am in the trenches. Some of the ministers I deal with are in the trenches trying to educate our community gay and straight.

Thank you

 

[Shimmie]

I guess I get what Bishop Jakes is saying, if in fact you heard right. No one knows where ANY sinners heart is at death. They could have made peace with the Lord, turned from their wicked ways. Say if they wake up that morning and had a revelation (someone could have been praying for their deliverance) and they decided to repent AND turn from their wicked ways, and that afternoon, the Lord saw fit to call them home. Are they going to hell? Or do we remember them being homosexual yesterday?

There are many people on their deathbed who repent, accept the Lord as their saviour. Do you think the Lord hears them? I think He does and he acts accordingly. Now will they pay for their sins, most definately, we all will. Homosexual, liars, backbiters, idolaters, fornicators and adulterers.

Meka this is so true... God does hear and accept their sincere prayers of repentance, at any point that one still has life in them.

But many don't have this 'last chance'... some folks go to the very end in their sin.

I will venture to say that many homosexuals are in Heaven with the Lord. They may have been gay, but have chosen to abstain from the gay activity; as well as having a sincere heart that truly loves God and had no desire to be in that situation.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Meka this is so true... God does hear and accept their sincere prayers of repentance, at any point that one still has life in them.

But many don't have this 'last chance'... some folks go to the very end in their sin.

I will venture to say that many homosexuals are in Heaven with the Lord. They may have been gay, but have chosen to abstain from the gay activity; as well as having a sincere heart that truly loves God and had no desire to be in that situation.

 

[Shimmie]

Please no offense intended. I mean no malintent



Okay Then lets do this. I am not justifying anything but this is bases on stererotypes like saying ALL BLACK women are sexual fiends and video hos. With the rate of Black women being infected with HIV through Hetrosexual sex is rising I am sure someone can use that to say that Look black women spreads AIDS.


We KNOW that is not true and when I am at the hospital 99% of the sexually transmitted diseases I see in women were in hetrosexual relationships not gay sex.

75% percent of these people are Black women. Which breaks my heart. Breaks my heart to the core because it is usually Black men that are doing this. Again breaks my heart. But unfortunately some people in our community don't want to talk about those things but this is something that needs to be brought out because if I see another HIV positive black woman that had NO idea she was infected because she was with the same man for 5+ years I am going to vomit. Because he was infected knew about it and did not tell her. Or he was with a women that was infected and did not tell him. Or he was going to church and living in the DL.

I have 2 Preachers that I deal with right now that are both HIV positive but I don't mess with HIPPA. They both said that got it from Women. 1 I believe the other I question.

I have worked in Churches in Chicago trying to help women with their reproductive health. I have worked with ministers trying to teach abstinance. (which I feel is the best policy) Sometimes people listen and sometimes people are downright against it.


So I guess we don't need to talk about or post any more colouring threads anymore because we don't need to hear how one colours. When they colour. Do they play music while colour, What position you colour in. How many times a month you colour. What music you listen to when you colour. Where you like to colour. How many times you colour in a week, month. How many times do you colour in the bathroom. Where do you like to colour. Do you colour naked or with clothes on. Do you like to colour in Yoga positions. Karma Sutra positions LOLOLOL

And THEN come on the Christian site and talk About HOW SAVED someone is. When I know that a lot of these women probably some posting right now AIN'T married some never have been and some never will be.

Just saying

But I guess that is okay since it is not homosexual sex as far as WE know of. After all this IS the internet. LOLOLOL

No offense intended.


But isn't that a sexual sin. All I am saying is that these are people and just because they spread the word of G-d that does not mean that they alway abide by it. So don't get so disappointed when they screw up because they are human.

I am always wary of Super preachers/Rabbis/Imams anyway cause sometimes their power gets overwhelming and they can be lead astray. Their influence can be overwhelming and it could lead a lot of people astray. I would not ever want to be in that position because that is a hell a burden on your shoulders.

I am not justifying anything I just see the reality in my life dealing with people with these disases. Gay and straight.

We all need to get right with G-d. No matter who we are. And how we treat people Gay or Straight.

As far as gays are concerned they are here they are not going anywhere. Yes they are in your Churches, Mosques and Synagouges. Sometmes we know who they are and sometimes we don't. People in your family. That relative no one talks too. That cousin that is the "Black Sheep" of the family. That nephew that no one ever talks about because he is doing his own thing. The whispers of that cousin in where ever who has had the same room mate for 20 years. That brother that is a "comfirmed Bachelor". The whispers you heard as a child regarding a certain relative.

I get so tired of seeing Gay young men kicked out on the street in Chicago trying to find a way because their so-called "SAVED" family instead of trying to help him kick him out on the street with no money and no place to go. Selling themselves to Straight and GAY men Married with families or single looking for some kick action.

How do we know and what can we do to help them repent if we do know?

If you have suggestions that could help me in my work. I would really appreciate it. Because this is what I deal with on a daily basis. I am in the trenches. Some of the ministers I deal with are in the trenches trying to educate our community gay and straight.

Thank you

I mean no malintent either.

AIDs or no AIDs, homosexuality is still wrong. And there is still a higher percentage of AIDs among gay men (homosexual activity) than anyone else. "Straight" men are bringing this disease from prison; infecting their wives or girlfriends or casual sexual encounters, due to homosexual prison activity; which contributes to the maddness of this spread of heterosexual AIDs. Yet it is still gay mainstream related. Somewhere along the line, there was a gay encounter. In all cases, no... the majority of cases, yes.

And this is sad all around, no matter who has this disease. So many lives are being destroyed by it.

Your world is comprised of 'no hope', yet there is. I can see why it's easy for you and others to give up and just accept what you see each day. Yet you don't have to accept it.

Donnie McClurkin has a Ministry for gays.

Dennis Jernigan is a Minister with a powerful testimony...

There's a Ministry called "Love One Out"

If you do a Google Search for Gay Ministry, Deliverance, Understanding, I'm sure you will find much help.

Almaz, I know it looks helpless, but this is why we have Jesus. We don't have to accept the negative we see. Acknowledge it? Yes, of course. But to accept and count it as no hope, or without change, we don't have to.

The reason for what you see and deal with each day is the result of compromise; folks not taking a stand with God. No matter what their 'title's' are, or their sexual activity, or gender, they simply did not adhere to what they knew to be of God.

 

[Shimmie]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

And we :heart2: you too, sis! Thank you for those words of love and encouragement! I so appreciate you...you know I do!

@ the bolded....you go girl!

We've come too far. Jesus didn't waste a drop of His Blood Covenant for us. He stands 'Uncompromised..."

If folks want to straddle the fence, then watch out for the pickets; they have pointed edges which can't be sat upon.

 

[Almaz]

Nope my world is fine. In Hebrew we have a saying that every Jew is supposed to abide by. Called Tikkun Olam. Which means to do your part in repairing the worl.

This is why I choose to work in Medicine to help heal people and this is why I work in the community OUR community because of the problems that are going on there.

Gave up I never said I gave up. And not all diseases that infected the women came from men in prison. Yes some of it is but from what I see a lot of the times it is not. It is from men being irresponsible with their sex lives. Only about 7% of those women got it from men that were in prison.

Most of these women are in their early 20's and they had boyfriends that never been to jail. Just busy. The other women that are older got it from men half had records half didn't. White and Black

I don't accept the negative that I see I work to combat it. As you know I am not Christian I am Jewish but I work with a lot of Churches and I deeply appreciate the help that you gave me in dealing with Infected/Gay/Lesbian/Transgendered members of the Christian community. I will look this information up and pass it along to the ministers.

Its not hopeless people need to be educated. Unfortunately I see the gay community really working hard to educate their community about diseases. But our community sometimes put their heads in the sand like ostriches.

I appreciate you assistance I know this will help and I will let you know how it goes

Thank you Shimmie

I mean no malintent either.

AIDs or no AIDs, homosexuality is still wrong. And there is still a higher percentage of AIDs among gay men (homosexual activity) than anyone else. "Straight" men are bringing this disease from prison; infecting their wives or girlfriends or casual sexual encounters, due to homosexual prison activity; which contributes to the maddness of this spread of heterosexual AIDs. Yet it is still gay mainstream related. Somewhere along the line, there was a gay encounter. In all cases, no... the majority of cases, yes.

And this is sad all around, no matter who has this disease. So many lives are being destroyed by it.

Your world is comprised of 'no hope', yet there is. I can see why it's easy for you and others to give up and just accept what you see each day. Yet you don't have to accept it.

Donnie McClurkin has a Ministry for gays.

Dennis Jernigan is a Minister with a powerful testimony...

There's a Ministry called "Love One Out"

If you do a Google Search for Gay Ministry, Deliverance, Understanding, I'm sure you will find much help.

Almaz, I know it looks helpless, but this is why we have Jesus. We don't have to accept the negative we see. Acknowledge it? Yes, of course. But to accept and count it as no hope, or without change, we don't have to.

The reason for what you see and deal with each day is the result of compromise; folks not taking a stand with God. No matter what their 'title's' are, or their sexual activity, or gender, they simply did not adhere to what they knew to be of God.

 

[msa]

I mean no malintent either.

AIDs or no AIDs, homosexuality is still wrong. And there is still a higher percentage of AIDs among gay men (homosexual activity) than anyone else. "Straight" men are bringing this disease from prison; infecting their wives or girlfriends or casual sexual encounters, due to homosexual prison activity; which contributes to the maddness of this spread of heterosexual AIDs. Yet it is still gay mainstream related. Somewhere along the line, there was a gay encounter. In all cases, no... the majority of cases, yes.

Apparently, I need to do some research. This is new information to me.

And, even if HIV originates with a gay person, according to you it's being spread from "straight" men outta of jail to women...which last time I checked required a heterosexual act. So I don't see how most of the blame is placed on homosexuals.

 

[msa]

Its not hopeless people need to be educated. Unfortunately I see the gay community really working hard to educate their community about diseases. But our community sometimes put their heads in the sand like ostriches.

So true. I see more misinformation and lies from the Christian community than from anyone else. We need to deal in facts, not scare tactics and propaganda.

 

[Shimmie]

Apparently, I need to do some research. This is new information to me.

And, even if HIV originates with a gay person, according to you it's being spread from "straight" men outta of jail to women...which last time I checked required a heterosexual act. So I don't see how most of the blame is placed on homosexuals.

You missed it.

 

[msa]

You missed it.

Yup, I think I did.

I'm going to do some research on it because what you stated is definitely new to me. If you have any links or anything I'd really appreciate it.

 

[Almaz]

okay I have another question again no malintent. So how do you explain this in Africa where homosexuality can get you killed in some places. But yet South Africa has one of the highest rates of AIDS in the world. 99% hetro sex.

Do you think it was blood or do you think it started with sexual contact. What about people who had blood transfusions like Arthur Ashe and passed it on.

 

[momi]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

We've come too far. Jesus didn't waste a drop of His Blood Covenant for us. He stands 'Uncompromised..."

If folks want to straddle the fence, then watch out for the pickets; they have pointed edges which can't be sat upon.

Making note of the bolded for future reference.

On another note: my heart breaks for all sin, but what breaks my heart the most about homosexuality is what it has done do our men and what it is doing to our community. Our communities have so many issues and one of them is a lack of male role models and leadership. I just want to ask the gay guys - dont you see what is happening to our families, our communities? Dont you see that we need you? We need your strength and masculinity! Our young men need to see what it looks like for a man to love and honor "one woman" - to be the head of a strong family unit. They dont need to see you laid up with some man and being softer than a woman. (I know all gay guys are not soft and many are active in the community so dont start)

B Scott - Ru Paul - E Lynn Harris .... those could have been some child's father, some woman's husband! I dont understand the single women that are all giddy about their "gay" guy friends. Dont they see that those guys are subtracting from the number of eligible men??

<<< sigh >>>

I will continue to pray and speak the truth of God's word. His truth will make us all free... besides all is not lost. He always leaves a remnant.

Pastor Foster

 

[Shimmie]

Re: Warning: Strong Meat here !!!!!!

Making note of the bolded for future reference.

On another note: my heart breaks for all sin, but what breaks my heart the most about homosexuality is what it has done do our men and what it is doing to our community. Our communities have so many issues and one of them is a lack of male role models and leadership.

I just want to ask the gay guys - dont you see what is happening to our families, our communities? Dont you see that we need you? We need your strength and masculinity! Our young men need to see what it looks like for a man to love and honor "one woman" - to be the head of a strong family unit. They dont need to see you laid up with some man and being softer than a woman. (I know all gay guys are not soft and many are active in the community so dont start)

B Scott - Ru Paul - E Lynn Harris .... those could have been some child's father, some woman's husband! I dont understand the single women that are all giddy about their "gay" guy friends. Dont they see that those guys are subtracting from the number of eligible men??

<<< sigh >>>

I will continue to pray and speak the truth of God's word. His truth will make us all free... besides all is not lost. He always leaves a remnant.

Pastor Foster

It grieves my spirit as well to see the demise of strong men, especially Black ones.

Not 'all' men have to be gay; neither all women. It's a cop out.