Are Vision Boards Satanic??

[Maa Maa omo mti]

All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the LORD.
-Proverbs 16:2

Great verse from the Proverbs.

only problem is that there are too many people playing "Lord/God" who weigh others motives, and don't allow God to weigh it on his own.

 

[Lita]

Good thread!

 

[tocktick]

So did I, but I do have the Secret book and there is a subtle, underlying theme that YOU can do and have anything you want

Well, iirc that's one of the the core principles of Satanism: you do whatever you like.

However, I'm not insinuating that vision boards are inherently "demonic" or the Secret and that mode of thinking is wrong.

 

[Maa Maa omo mti]

Well, iirc that's one of the the core principles of Satanism: you do whatever you like.

However, I'm not insinuating that vision boards are inherently "demonic" or the Secret and that mode of thinking is wrong.

really? how are people even able to know this?

I am way to afraid to even venture into the realm of knowing the principals of satanism, nor do I ever care. and I think it's scary that people do.

But I am fascinated that christians are very well versed in this though.

 

[menina]

Well it is not a vent thread for me. It is what I see. We spend being told how we should live our lives and how our faith should be. In the name of religion and god many have suffered and died. The christians, the jews, the muslims have been killing eachother for centuries over god. They all fight in the name if god. The same god. To me religion comes with so much hypocrisy and and contradictions. I can quote one verse to agree with something and I can quote another to disagree. I have certain beliefs and I do not need religion or verses to back it up. Do good, be kind, respect life, respect eachother, give and live the best life you can without getting in the way of another. Aside from those everything else his BS.

well sounds a little venty to me, but that's good for you and i don't mean to trample on anyone's experiences. the bolded can be taken offensively but i'll leave it alone...

i understand that if most of what we see is negative that the overall conclusion will be that it is negative. i just choose to look past that. i recognize that religion/ancient texts has been used as a tool for people, both negative and positive. and just like anything else in this world, it in itself is not perfect. i don't like the hypocrisy and contradictions i see in people either. it upsets me because i have seen people who are authentic in their faith and actions, so i know it's possible.

 

[menina]

The thing is, who is to say what is expedient or extra?

well it depends on what we believe and sometimes life itself will tell us.

 

[tocktick]

really? how are people even able to know this?

I am way to afraid to even venture into the realm of knowing the principals of satanism, nor do I ever care. and I think it's scary that people do.

But I am fascinated that christians are very well versed in this though.

I'm not Christian. I know this information because I took a sociology class at 16/17 and we studied various belief systems, such as Christianity, Judiam, Humanitarianism, New Ageism and yep, Satanism. I am secure in my personal beliefs and didn't feel some very brief research into Satanism would open me up to anything bad.

Compared to the real evils that are committed everywhere on a daily basis and have happened throughout history, Satantism as a concept for a way of life, doesn't really get a check-in.

 

[menina]

did not say that you said all that. I am speaking to you main point and in essence being on a hair forum member/lurker is according to your main point a form of idolizing.

But I did notice that you cleaned it up by adding center goal. To dedicate years and money on a goal of achieving either healthy hair or long hair that can be considered center goal. whether center, main or low goal it's still a goal when we become a member. It's the very reason why people joined, might not be a reason why people stayed but it is the center of our existence on this forum.

so with that said, logic (according to your statement) would mean that we are involved in something satanic.

okay i understand now. the hair board analogy would make it appear that i'm saying we're all involved in something satanic, but to my knowledge that's untrue.

Basically vision boards can become evil if one starts to idolize it and the goals on it.

Is a piece of cardboard evil, no. Is someone having a goal evil, no. If i put my goal on the piece of cardboard, is it evil, no. Does the daily devotion to my visual aid open itself up to become an obsession, yes.

 

[MissMasala5]

um.... as it applies to the OP...the scripture is out of context. the vision Habakkuk referred to was prophetic meaning directly from God. It wasn't a vision/goal he had for himself. but this one of my favorite portions of scripture though and I'm glad that you mentioned it.

as to the OP, if you are a Christian then I encourage you to do research...starting with the Bible.

I am a Christian and would not create a vision board as it is discussed on the "Vision Board" thread and many other places mainly b/c the goals, dreams, etc represented are often fleshly. basically anything that we desire. It could be a car, education, house...all great things, not necessarily evil in and of themselves. The constant struggle as a Christian is a desire to fulfill God's desires and not our own (even those that are "bad") believing that His time and purpose are best.

We will always want things that aren't a part of God's vision. For me creating a physical representation of those things is not beneficial and spiritually it can be destructive (i.e. i make certain things an idol). Mind you, you can create an idol in your heart w/o a vision board.

That aside I believe if you are called to be a physician or reduce spending to get out of debt and decide to encourage yourself by writing it on a paper and putting in on your dresser mirror then cool. Some things like "I want to stop cursing out folk" needs no scriptural consultation b/c you know that's a goal in alignment with God's word. Writing down what God has called you to do or His word is not evil or satanic. Actually, it is what prophets have done for centuries. Basically, just check your motives.

All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the LORD.
-Proverbs 16:2

Speaking of fleshly things, whenever the Christians I know get "blessings" like a deal on a new luxe vehicle, a promotion, or they hit the jackpot at a casino, they preface these things with, "Look at God!" "God is good!" so understand that it can and does get confusing. Especially those that are hardcore with tithing (beyond what is typical). They seem to think that giving more wins God's favor over giving less, hence, their blessings will be greater. A fool and their money...

And ITA with you about making a VB of the heart and the mind. Not that I find anything wrong with VBs. And also what you wrote about motives, which touches upon what someone else mentioned about intent. If a person wants whatever because they just want to one-up someone, or because they are lacking in some other area in life and will use tangible or material things to fill a void. Not only might they receive those things, they may just get an added extra: a lesson learned. Because as the adage goes: Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it!

 

[ambergirl]

Great discussion ladies! And I think it's a good question.

First off I dont call Satan into existence. Belief in a thing invites that thing into your life and space and I have no desire to have anything like Satan in my life. I'm also not Christian so take my answer with that in mind.

I believe that we are in a cocreative relationship with All There Is and that within the vast expanse of All There Is there is the energy of what we might call evil or demonic.

If in your thoughts, actions, beliefs, you hold the intent of engaging negative energies by wishing ill on others, imposing your will on the universe regardless of the harm it might cause to others, etc then you are on a troublesome path whether you're vision boarding or sitting in church praying and praying and praying for your will to be done. It's about the intent of the action, not the action itself.

That's why in my manifestation and prayer practice I always, always, always end by saying something like "this or something even greater is the truth of my life and serves the greater good of the world and all concerned"

That said, I'm incorporating some new thinking into my spiritual practices and as a result being more selective about my manifestation practices then in the past.

 

[Maa Maa omo mti]

Too lazy to quote. But speaking to intent:

you can not manifest everything just cause you put it on your vision board. I think people have misunderstood the whole secret thing and have ran with the wild crazy idea.


the secret does not say that everything is entirely on you, nor does it advocate that one is more powerful than an omnipresent.

in fact it reinforces the connection between you and the omnipresent.

 

[ambergirl]

^^^ Folks who are approaching it like a shopping list for the universe to fulfill are missing the point and will likely be sorely disappointed, even if they do manage to "manifest" a few material items here and there.

 

[menina]

Great discussion ladies! And I think it's a good question.

If in your thoughts, actions, beliefs, you hold the intent of engaging negative energies by wishing ill on others, imposing your will on the universe regardless of the harm it might cause to others, etc then you are on a troublesome path whether you're vision boarding or sitting in church praying and praying and praying for your will to be done. It's about the intent of the action, not the action itself.

ITA.

 

[fairyhairy]

Is it hurting you or others? Is it wrong for you or are you bothered by others doing it? @ the op

 

[menina]

Too lazy to quote. But speaking to intent:

you can not manifest everything just cause you put it on your vision board. I think people have misunderstood the whole secret thing and have ran with the wild crazy idea.

the secret does not say that everything is entirely on you, nor does it advocate that one is more powerful than an omnipresent.

in fact it reinforces the connection between you and the omnipresent.

good to get that cleared up, because i'm sure people have been thinking that the board is their genie. and that's probably why other's linked it to magic.

the same thing happens with religious text.

 

[Evolving78]

believing pasting pictures on a board will manifest into reality, like praying, wishing, hoping, and idolizing over it is deemed as satanic. you can use a vision board for inspiration and bring visual ideas to goals you want to achieve.

 

[CoilyFields]

Hey Ladies!

I had heard of vision boards and LOA but had not thought much of it. At one point I believed as many of you do that there was nothing wrong with it. Its just putting your goals on a board or the law of reciprocity in effect etc.

BUT NOW...I done seen da light! lol.

God specifically told us to delight in him and HE would give us the desires of our hearts (i.e. He would put His desires in our hearts so that HE could fulfill them).

The reasoning behind the board/LOA is this: YOU can design your own destiny. Its in YOUR hands. All you have to do is WANT it enough. YOU attract what happens to you...good and bad. All of this is contradictory to scripture. God says HE will direct our paths if we acknowledge HIM...not our board. In the instance of LOA: Sin has caused much ruckus in the world and because of it innocent people get hurt. The word says that the ENEMY is seeking to destroy/devour us. Not that all the bad stuff that happens to us is because we attracted it to us. (the 9 y/o that was raped and killed...it was her own fault?)

If we believe LOA then what place have we given to God's mercy? If the vision board is necessary then What place does prayer have?

We have to be careful of compromise ladies. There are so many new age movements that sound good, seem harmless, and are "not that serious" that are gently steering us in the wrong direction. We come to depend on our vision board and our own power to make it happen, rather than depending on God.

It really is a slippery slope. Just think about it...most of us would not accept an actual demon coming to us saying "There is no God". So satan does not try to lure us with that...he takes those "not so serious" things and before we know it we are operating completely outside of Gods will and encourageing others to do it.

We cannot pretend that the Worlds Vision boards or LOA are harmless...even if we try to "white-wash it in the blood" and mold it to vibe it with scripture (or even worse, mold scripture to vibe with it).

I encourage everyone to pray about it. Theres nothing wrong with having goals, or writing them down...but just realize that the worlds message about vision boards/LOA wil NOT change because you try to make it holy. A rose by any other name...

My response from the other thread

 

[CoilyFields]

In response to the question of what's the difference between an action plan vs. Vision board from the other thread :

Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt it called a vision board because the point is to see what you desire and your actually "seeing" it creates some kind of power magnetism/attraction that brings it to pass.

Im a very visual person so I write plans down. Thats how I follow them better. But they were just that...plans. I didnt believe my plan had any special powers for me having written it down nor did I believe that looking at it did anything other than allow me a better grasp of what I needed to do and to keep track of what I'd accomplished so far.

Like I mentioned before, the problem with the vision board is that it was CREATED with principles that based human success on human ability/power alone. Whereas we believe that we can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens us. I see that many are trying to transform its popular use into something that is in line with scripture but forreal forreal its like taking a ouigi (sp) board and trying to use it to get the Holy spirit to make intercession for you.

 

[Kiowa]

Vision boards,LOA etc are just tools..being empowered and focused alone, allows you to manifest...organized religion seems to teach that this is something that comes outside of yourself. What ever you want to program your belief systems with is what you manifest.

 

[candy626]

menina awww right back at ya!

Like I would never in a million years link a vision board to satan. Who came up with that idea?

The same people that believe satanic messages can be heard when you play popular songs backwards. I think some people are looking to find evil and everything and really just need to loosen up.

I am Christian, and put my faith and trust in God first and foremost. But I don't think there's anything wrong with using a vision board (as long as you're using it properly). I have one for my hair goal. I view it from time to time, but have never prayed over it or done anything crazy with it. I just look at it, remind myself of my goal, then return back to my everyday life.

 

[Tamrin]

that's good for you and i don't mean to trample on anyone's experiences.

i understand that if most of what we see is negative that the overall conclusion will be that it is negative. i just choose to look past that. i recognize that religion/ancient texts has been used as a tool for people, both negative and positive. and just like anything else in this world, it in itself is not perfect. i don't like the hypocrisy and contradictions i see in people either. it upsets me because i have seen people who are authentic in their faith and actions, so i know it's possible.

to the bolded, hopefully i won't regret this but may i ask what you would use to back up certain beliefs? and i'm not trying to cause any strife at all, i just know what i would do, but i understand that not everyone is the same.

Conscience and experience. Every human being is born with a sense of right and wrong.

 

[Tamrin]

um.... as it applies to the OP...the scripture is out of context. the vision Habakkuk referred to was prophetic meaning directly from God. It wasn't a vision/goal he had for himself. but this one of my favorite portions of scripture though and I'm glad that you mentioned it.

as to the OP, if you are a Christian then I encourage you to do research...starting with the Bible.

I am a Christian and would not create a vision board as it is discussed on the "Vision Board" thread and many other places mainly b/c the goals, dreams, etc represented are often fleshly. basically anything that we desire. It could be a car, education, house...all great things, not necessarily evil in and of themselves. The constant struggle as a Christian is a desire to fulfill God's desires and not our own (even those that are "bad") believing that His time and purpose are best.

We will always want things that aren't a part of God's vision. For me creating a physical representation of those things is not beneficial and spiritually it can be destructive (i.e. i make certain things an idol). Mind you, you can create an idol in your heart w/o a vision board.

That aside I believe if you are called to be a physician or reduce spending to get out of debt and decide to encourage yourself by writing it on a paper and putting in on your dresser mirror then cool. Some things like "I want to stop cursing out folk" needs no scriptural consultation b/c you know that's a goal in alignment with God's word. Writing down what God has called you to do or His word is not evil or satanic. Actually, it is what prophets have done for centuries. Basically, just check your motives.

All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the LORD.
-Proverbs 16:2

Who is to say my thoughts, needs, wants, are not inspired by god? Everything is up to the reader's interpretation, yours may not necessarily be mine. I do not believe the bible is a credible text. A great reference point yes. Too many versions exists, too many interpretations, too many chapters missing. "Written by men inspired by God" always bothered me.

 

[FemmeFatale]

I'm going to go with no, unless you have pictures of satan on your vision board or if your goals involve or related to satanism.

But isn't that rather obvious though? When the devil wants to steer you away from God, do you really think he would be obvious with it? The devil is insidious by nature, he lures us into temptation.

 

[ambergirl]

But isn't that rather obvious though? When the devil wants to steer you away from God, do you really think he would be obvious with it? The devil is insidious by nature, he lures us into temptation.

I don't know, seems like if that's your belief, all of life is just one big temptation not just vision boards. Seems to me it depends on what's in your heart regardless of what you're doing.

 

[RegaLady]

But isn't that rather obvious though? When the devil wants to steer you away from God, do you really think he would be obvious with it? The devil is insidious by nature, he lures us into temptation.

Can Christians put pictures of church, living Holy, Jesus, WWTD on their boards? You know, to give them a vision how what they need to be. Would that make everything alright? I honestly think some Christians need to print Bible versus and post them around the house to keep them in the right mindset

 

[Tamrin]

But isn't that rather obvious though? When the devil wants to steer you away from God, do you really think he would be obvious with it? The devil is insidious by nature, he lures us into temptation.

Why is the devil's purpose so important to you? This really bother's me. If you really believe in a god you should be more concerned about his purpose in your life rather than what the devil is trying to do. SMH And how do you know so much about the devil's nature? Have you had a conversation?

All I can do is send some positive thoughts your way to take away all this negativity.

 

[Maa Maa omo mti]

I'm guessing the op intent is to show it is satanic. But she knows not what she is talking about. Poor Lost soul.

 

[Enyo]

Why is the devil's purpose so important to you? This really bother's me. If you really believe in a god you should be more concerned about his purpose in your life rather than what the devil is trying to do. SMH

I see this a lot with very religious Christians and Muslims. It's really a shame. It's almost like God is just a way to avoid the devil instead of being the main focus. I always thought it was weird that in Islam, you say "I seek refused from Shayatan the Accursed" during the ritual prayer (salaat). That means AT LEAST 5 times a day you ask Allah to protect you from the devil. It's no wonder than there is a massive paranoia that Satan is lurking around every corner. Even when you're offering your prayers to Allah (swt), the devil gets a cameo.

 

[ambergirl]

I see this a lot with very religious Christians and Muslims. It's really a shame. It's almost like God is just a way to avoid the devil instead of being the main focus. I always thought it was weird that in Islam, you say "I seek refused from Shayatan the Accursed" during the ritual prayer (salaat). That means AT LEAST 5 times a day you ask Allah to protect you from the devil. It's no wonder than there is a massive paranoia that Satan is lurking around every corner. Even when you're offering your prayers to Allah (swt), the devil gets a cameo.

And from an LOA perspective talk about an anti-productive affirmation! The more you invoke and affirm the thing you don't want the more of it you see and experience.

If folks were really not interested in what the devil was doing they would just stop giving him/it their thought and energy

 

[DarkJoy]

Not Satanic. Just a tool.