PREACH IT!!!!!! Ruth, Orpah, Naomi----That's a sermon by itself! Wow.Oprah is not just some "black chick".... There's more to Oprah than this, and it's more so what she represents.
Oprah has a TV channel called Oxygen and a magazine called "O".
Scientifically, oxygen is the element with atomic number 8 and represented by the symbol "O".
The element's name derives from the Greek roots (oxys) ("acid", literally "sharp", referring to the sour taste of acids) and (-genēs) ("producer", literally "begetter"). At standard temperature it's a very pale blue, odorless, tasteless diatomic gas with the formula O2, and it's the most abundant chemical element - by mass - in our biosphere.[Wikipedia]
So what does this all mean?
Let's look at the significance of the number 8 in the Bible:
In the Bible, 8 has referenced new beginnings.
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1 Peter 3:20
Circumcision, the sign of belonging to the covenant people, was to be performed on the eighth day.
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. Genesis 17:12
The story of Ruth, Orpah (Oprah) and Naomi bears witness to choosing whom to serve. When Orpah's husband (Naomi's son) died, she had the choice of going back to her people and her gods or serving God and going with Ruth and Naomi to serve God. She chose to go back and I believe Ruth and Naomi respected her choice. It WAS her choice, but whatever befell her was the judgment of HER CHOICE. Ruth and Naomi moved on to serve the true living God. We are at this place today.
A brief look at her "OXYGEN" channel shows programming that glorify sin/lust:
The World according to Paris (Hilton) - she represents all the carnality and inherent "wealth" to be desired of this world
BAD GIRLS - need I say more?
Snapped - about who-dunnits on female murderers
America's Next Top Model Obsessed - all about vanity
Dance Your A** off - a show that emphasizes losing weight, being transformed, to "fit in" to the "norm/standard"...
Love Games (Bad girls need love too) - huh?
Not many other people on the planet has the type of influence Oprah has on the innocents. Her influence reaches way beyond the United States, beyond North America... it's WORLDwide.
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PREACH IT!!!!!! Ruth, Orpah, Naomi----That's a sermon by itself! Wow.
EricaJoyce
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^^^Oh gosh! No no no!!! Let's not misinform people here. Some of this is a matter of opinion but THIS here is just plain wrong! Oprah doesn't own the Oxygen Network, she was part owner, but left the network because she felt that the programming didn't match her views/goals. She now owns the "Own" network, which is, I gotta say, more boring and sometimes a whole lot more depressing than anything shown on Oxygen. It is more of an extension of her show. (Which I love) Except 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. (Which I'm not sure I'm interested in yet. LOL)
There was an article about how her network isn't doing well because people don't want all the positivity all the time. The want "Reality" television. They want people acting a fool, they want the latest celebrity gossip, etc...
Okay I hope I've cleared that up for ya!
There was an article about how her network isn't doing well because people don't want all the positivity all the time. The want "Reality" television. They want people acting a fool, they want the latest celebrity gossip, etc...
Okay I hope I've cleared that up for ya!
Farida
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"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven." Matthew 5:16
IMO, there's no greater way to lead people to God than by example. We're not perfect, but the way we deal with others, especially non-believers has a HUGE impact on whether or not they try and seek God, or to learn more about the Christian faith.
IMO, there's no greater way to lead people to God than by example. We're not perfect, but the way we deal with others, especially non-believers has a HUGE impact on whether or not they try and seek God, or to learn more about the Christian faith.
Kurlee
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Unfortunately, I agree with the bolded. People want the same crap that they complain they are tired of. I think she would do well adding some scripted shows and movies
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I love the Book of Ruth...
Naomi said, "Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her god. Follow your sister-in-law."
But Ruth replied:
Do not persuade me to leave you
or go back and not follow you.
For wherever you go, I will go,
and wherever you live, I will live;
your people will be my people,
and your God will be my God.
Where you die, I will die, and there I will be buried.
May the LORD do this to me, and even more,
if anything but death separates you and me.
*** Ruth 1:15-17
Yes Shimmie, I know. I love that Book too. It's really a beautiful story.
The whole Orpah/Oprah thing blew me away; how Orpah, like Oprah, chose to turn away from the living God. Reminds me of a sermon I heard once that talked about being careful what you name your children. Interesting.
And without taking up extra bandwith with a separate post or thread, I just want to say to you, Shimmie, I think you are such a beautiful woman of God. And what a powerful, woman of God you are! My goodness. You have such a gift of love that just pours out like a flood. That's beautiful. :Rose:I really admire you and I love reading your posts. I wanna be like Shimmie when I grow up. Lololol.
j/k God bless you, girl.
The whole Orpah/Oprah thing blew me away; how Orpah, like Oprah, chose to turn away from the living God. Reminds me of a sermon I heard once that talked about being careful what you name your children. Interesting.
And without taking up extra bandwith with a separate post or thread, I just want to say to you, Shimmie, I think you are such a beautiful woman of God. And what a powerful, woman of God you are! My goodness. You have such a gift of love that just pours out like a flood. That's beautiful. :Rose:I really admire you and I love reading your posts. I wanna be like Shimmie when I grow up. Lololol.
j/k God bless you, girl.I love the Book of Ruth...
Naomi said, "Look, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her god. Follow your sister-in-law."
But Ruth replied:
Do not persuade me to leave you
or go back and not follow you.
For wherever you go, I will go,
and wherever you live, I will live;
your people will be my people,
and your God will be my God.
Where you die, I will die, and there I will be buried.
May the LORD do this to me, and even more,
if anything but death separates you and me.
*** Ruth 1:15-17
AtlantaJJ
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Yes Shimmie, I know. I love that Book too. It's really a beautiful story.
The whole Orpah/Oprah thing blew me away; how Orpah, like Oprah, chose to turn away from the living God. Reminds me of a sermon I heard once that talked about being careful what you name your children. Interesting.
And without taking up extra bandwith with a separate post or thread, I just want to say to you, Shimmie, I think you are such a beautiful woman of God. And what a powerful, woman of God you are! My goodness. You have such a gift of love that just pours out like a flood. That's beautiful. :Rose:I really admire you and I love reading your posts. I wanna be like Shimmie when I grow up. Lololol.
The Orpah/Oprah thing got me too!
I have an aunt that named her first born son Ishmale.
ETA: I just read The Book of Ruth, I love that book now also! I agree Shimmie is wonderful!
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Yes Shimmie, I know. I love that Book too. It's really a beautiful story.
The whole Orpah/Oprah thing blew me away; how Orpah, like Oprah, chose to turn away from the living God. Reminds me of a sermon I heard once that talked about being careful what you name your children. Interesting.
And without taking up extra bandwith with a separate post or thread, I just want to say to you, Shimmie, I think you are such a beautiful woman of God. And what a powerful, woman of God you are! My goodness. You have such a gift of love that just pours out like a flood. That's beautiful. :Rose:I really admire you and I love reading your posts. I wanna be like Shimmie when I grow up. Lololol.
Thank you I love you, too, Lovely 'J'. You are anything but 'plain'. You brighten the lives of many more people than you will ever know. 
The Orpah/Oprah thing got me too!
I have an aunt that named her first born son Ishmale.
ETA: I just read The Book of Ruth, I love that book now also! I agree Shimmie is wonderful!
Precious Atlanta, I agree that you are more than wonderful.
As for naming our children, we speak those meanings over them, each time we address them by their name. We have to be so careful.
AtlantaJJ
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Precious Atlanta, I agree that you are more than wonderful.
As for naming our children, we speak those meanings over them, each time we address them by their name. We have to be so careful.
I named my son Matthew!! We both love that name
My son is truly a gift from God as his name indicates!!
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Prudent1
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Speaking of... I know someone who named their sons after Mahlon (meaning sickness) and Chilion (meaning pining or wasting away)
because they sounded masculine and were in the bible
. **sighs**
I named my son Matthew!! We both love that name
My son is truly a gift from God as his name indicates!!
Matthew... one who follows Jesus.
My daughter's name is 'Dara'. It's Hebrew and it means 'heart of wisdom'.
My son's middle name is 'Michael'... "God-like'.
Speaking of... I know someone who named their sons after Mahlon (meaning sickness) and Chilion (meaning pining or wasting away)
Oh my goodness...
I'm a little concerned about the meanings of most of the names given to our children of color (i.e. with all of the tay's; niqua's; and so on.
MsLi@512
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I Respectfully need to add here that:
As a Christian, I think that we are forgetting the most important commandment of all: TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER "love your neighbour as yourself"..Mark 12:28
No matter how well versed in the Word we are, God understood that kind words and loving gestures even in the face of disagreement speak louder, reaches wider, goes further, and makes serving Christ more attractive than any threats, overuse of King James dialect, scripture quotes, or insincere usage of names of endearment. Our jobs are to draw people to Christ and be the Salt of the earth. We must ask, if our discussions fulfil our ultimate purpose which is to bring souls to the Father. We must be mindful if our methods are just defending the word at the cost of turning people away. I believe an air of humility and love is in order not just for those who agree with us, but to all. This is our duty, our walk. The judgemental nature of some Christians is what turns people off and make them not want anything to do with our God. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone... John 8:7 (please remember this in all all ways)
Unfortunately, I agree with the bolded. People want the same crap that they complain they are tired of. I think she would do well adding some scripted shows and movies
I agree Kurlee. Folks want a lot of mess for TV entertainment. While Oprah was still involved with her regular show, I don't think she had much time to focus on the line-up for 'OWN' as her new TV network. However, now that she is no longer tied up with her longrunning talk show, she may be putting more of her efforts on her new network station.
'We' (and I say 'we' in general) already know that this will be a network to further her agenda. Already Public TV is sponsoring / supporting the gay lifestyle. They had a special on the other night "Out in America' and for 'x' number of dollars, folks who contributed to support PBS received other gay agenda materials to support their cause.
In 2009 PBS chose to eliminate all public broadcasting of any type of Christian progaming.
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I see them as being bias ...
In that respect, PBS will never get a dime out of me to support their station... ever.
I tried to keep this short but obviously
The point I'm making is that if PBS chose to eliminate Christian positve programing, I see Oprah doing the same with 'OWN''.
Right now, Gail (Oprah's friend) who is on OWN is wasting no time at all, placing a negative on Christianity.
I DO see Oprah doing this. Self-praising God and putting her own spin upon it. Mis-leading others with a false gospel. i.e. to continue with what she's been doing all along. Creating and endorsing programing which furthers her false beliefs.
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Guitarhero
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People do need to show humility and love but on the other hand, christians are being cast down worldwide. There's currently a debate going on over Ensinito, CA (town??) and a graffiti mural of the Virgin Mary on a surf board on a wave. 
I think it's disrespectful and that the original apparition/heavenly icon cannot be "improved" by man. As long as they don't come into our services and disrupt anything, it's business as usual. Wolves are all around but be wise as a serpent.
I think it's disrespectful and that the original apparition/heavenly icon cannot be "improved" by man. As long as they don't come into our services and disrupt anything, it's business as usual. Wolves are all around but be wise as a serpent.
Nice & Wavy
Well-Known Member
I know this isn't directed towards me, since you did quote Shimmie, but I'd like to ask you...how is she being judgemental in bringing correction to the person she responded too in her post? Walking in love also means to bring correction.
I think what happens is that people forget that when Jesus had His ministry here on the earth, He said whatever He needed to say and do and then He said "greater works shall we do". Christians shouldn't walk as if they are on eggshells every time they say something that doesn't line up with what the mainstream may think. People are saying that being judgemental, is when a christian says "Jesus loves you!"
Our job as believers in Jesus is to lead people to the foot of the cross...there will be times when bringing correction to someone will be in order...it's not that she doesn't love another...she does, that's why correction was brought.
As Jesus prayed to the Father "let them be one, even as we are one."
Blessings to the forum...always.
N&W
Nice & Wavy
Well-Known Member
PBS is temporary...subject to change!
While Oprah was still involved with her regular show, I don't think she had much time to focus on the line-up for 'OWN' as her new TV network. However, now that she is no longer tied up with her longrunning talk show, she may be putting more of her efforts on her new network station.
'We' (and I say 'we' in general) already know that this will be a network to further her agenda. Already Public TV is sponsoring / supporting the gay lifestyle. They had a special on the other night "Out in America' and for 'x' number of dollars, folks who contributed to support PBS received other gay agenda materials to support their cause.
In 2009 PBS chose to eliminate all public broadcasting of any type of Christian progaming.
-------
I see them as being bias ...
In that respect, PBS will never get a dime out of me to support their station... ever.
I tried to keep this short but obviously
The point I'm making is that if PBS chose to eliminate Christian positve programing, I see Oprah doing the same with 'OWN''.
Right now, Gail (Oprah's friend) who is on OWN is wasting no time at all, placing a negative on Christianity.
I DO see Oprah doing this. Self-praising God and putting her own spin upon it. Mis-leading others with a false gospel. i.e. to continue with what she's been doing all along. Creating and endorsing programing which furthers her false beliefs.
Brace yourself... Because I am just getting started.
What right did 'said poster' have to come into this Christian forum with profanity? That was not only unnecessary, but totally inappropriate and disrespectful. She knew exactly what she was doing and why she chose to do so. People DO have to be careful and need to know that this is not a game.
You can talk Christian Love all day long, howerver, there are different levels of love and there will always be some people who need 'tough love'. Otherwise they will never learn.
Now if you personally wish to put up with that foolishness, then do so. Cradle the devil and his foolishness like a baby, feed it, burp it and I can guarantee that he will mess all over you.
I am not here to impress anyone nor to prove how much I love someone; those who know me, know that I love them and will fight for them and not against them.
If nothing more, everyone who knows me here, are always fully aware of what I'm thinking; I don't bite my tongue or kiss up to foolishness. I appease no one.
One last thing. Please stop pretending that your reaction to the unfavorable behaviour of others is always, tender, loving, gentle and sweet. If you want everyone to believe that you embrace and tenderly admonish everyone who uses offensive language or behaviour in your presence or towards your loved ones, who are you kidding?
If you've never been offended or put off by someone, or if you've never told someone what you think regarding what they said or did...
Bottomline... your posted reply to me says it all.
Angel, your post isn't about Christianity.
It's more about you simply did not like what I said. And that's okay.
I'm just putting the truth out there. You tried to camophlage your feelings with the 'Christian's behave in Love' cover, but that's not what it's about. You simply do not like what I said to the poster who used profanity in this forum. And again, it's okay. I'm not upset. I have been here too long to not recognize when someone takes offense at what I say. That's just life.
ETA - June 10, 2011:
My daughter 'read' the words to this post I quoted and her first response was...
"You being stalked"... ? How long have they been watching you and holding this in. They mentioned too much about your endearments, etc....
I told her it was all good and I meant it.
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Really? What did I miss.
BTW: Your siggy is so BEAUTIFUL !!!
I have another Keratese email special to send you.
Nice & Wavy
Well-Known Member
I'm speaking prophetically! The Lord showed me something as I was reading the post about what they are doing.Really? What did I miss.
BTW: Your siggy is so BEAUTIFUL !!!
I have another Keratese email special to send you.
Thank you...it's an older picture because I'm on a 'no show' for a year!
You sent me an email about Kerastase? I don't remember it...but, I will look out for the email you are sending now. Thanks for thinking of me!
It's gorgeous anyway.
Kerastase has travel sizes. I just sent it both of your home emails.
Nice & Wavy
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Thanks, sisIt's gorgeous anyway.
Kerastase has travel sizes. I just sent it both of your home emails.
Ok...checking now!
ETA: Thanks...those are perfect!
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paradise1975
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Oprah's last show and farewell did not sit well with me. As I would see clips of "Oprah saving starving children" "Oprah healing relationships" "Oprahs being the one who saved the day" I was literally turned off.
Oprah was and has been idolized for the 25 years she has been on the air. I was actually offended that she would have the nerve to to say on her LAST SHOW that people questioned her religion and to set the record straight she was talking about the one and only omnipotent one, then at the end she said to GOD be the glory. She is not fooling anyone.
God deserves the glory, honor and praise in everything we do. He is to be the first, we're to give him the first fruits of everything not the last.
I had a strange feeling as I watched, (I did watch the farewell) I mean literally these people were worshiping her, their god. it was like they were entranced by the spirit behind Oprah.
I agree with what everyone else has said about her next agenda with the OWN network. Also her and Gail are very pro-gay, I have seen Gail's show and she is quick to mention how much support she has for the gay community. I pray that the blinders are removed from her followers eyes and that the agenda will never prosper.
Oprah was and has been idolized for the 25 years she has been on the air. I was actually offended that she would have the nerve to to say on her LAST SHOW that people questioned her religion and to set the record straight she was talking about the one and only omnipotent one, then at the end she said to GOD be the glory. She is not fooling anyone.
God deserves the glory, honor and praise in everything we do. He is to be the first, we're to give him the first fruits of everything not the last.
I had a strange feeling as I watched, (I did watch the farewell) I mean literally these people were worshiping her, their god. it was like they were entranced by the spirit behind Oprah.
I agree with what everyone else has said about her next agenda with the OWN network. Also her and Gail are very pro-gay, I have seen Gail's show and she is quick to mention how much support she has for the gay community. I pray that the blinders are removed from her followers eyes and that the agenda will never prosper.
Farida
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I was talking to an Muslim soldier one time and I was asking him to tell me about his faith and some stupid dude came over and started spewing crap about Islam and the soldier was like, "See, this is why I don't discuss my religion with others and why I am not interested in converting to theirs." That made me very sad.
I am very well-versed in Islam and I think learning to understand where people are coming from, why they believe what they believe is very important for conversion. A lot of people approach people of other faiths (or even Christian denominations) in a very patronizing, disrespectful and belittling manner. Yes, there are people who chose their faith because that's how they were raised. There are those whose religion is nothing more than cultural to them, those whose religion is all about appearance but not substance. However, there are very many people who logically, emotionally and spiritually connect with whatever it is they believe or do not believe. If you go ahead and start by insulting, pontificating your faith and belief there is no way to reach them.
If one's faith is so important and so real to him, you making the person feel stupid, pagan damned or insincere is just a nail on the coffin. It is so much better to be nuanced in your approach, get people witnessing you, reflecting on their own faith, asking those difficult questions of how and why they believe. Looking for what's missing in their lives, looking for comfort, looking for support...IMO, then is when you really reach out and touch someone.
I am very well-versed in Islam and I think learning to understand where people are coming from, why they believe what they believe is very important for conversion. A lot of people approach people of other faiths (or even Christian denominations) in a very patronizing, disrespectful and belittling manner. Yes, there are people who chose their faith because that's how they were raised. There are those whose religion is nothing more than cultural to them, those whose religion is all about appearance but not substance. However, there are very many people who logically, emotionally and spiritually connect with whatever it is they believe or do not believe. If you go ahead and start by insulting, pontificating your faith and belief there is no way to reach them.
If one's faith is so important and so real to him, you making the person feel stupid, pagan damned or insincere is just a nail on the coffin. It is so much better to be nuanced in your approach, get people witnessing you, reflecting on their own faith, asking those difficult questions of how and why they believe. Looking for what's missing in their lives, looking for comfort, looking for support...IMO, then is when you really reach out and touch someone.
When people are hurting, they reach for what heals the fastest. satan knows this and is using so many false paths for people to seek redemption from their sorrows in life.
Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Farida,
I have some experience that reflects the other side of this. It really doesn't take any effort to get rejected by a non-believer. Some people will go off on the mere mention -- whisper -- of the name "Jesus".. We all know there is power in that name. Once a person gets saved, they become the enemy to the world. Family members, friends, buddies, etc. It's all FEAR-based, IMHO.
An athiest I know enjoyed 'beefing' with Christians to always try to shut them up or get them all worked up explaining their beliefs. He would get off on that, actually, because he knows the Bible and can recite it in his sleep. He opened his mouth and told me God doesn't exist KNOWING better, because he grew up in the holiness church. Luke 12:48 is a powerful Scripture. Jesus turned over tables in the temple when he confronted those who knew better.
God is not mocked. Someone like him may think think they did something great because they made a Christian 'shut up' or back off, when the work was done by the Holy Spirit. God instructs us to dust off our feet. But woe to those of us who are compelled to speak and remain quiet!
The devil is a prowler... Just because a Christian is passionate about their Savior doesn't mean they are insincere. I'm not picking on you..but people of different faiths will always clash, until the end of time. People have different personalities and that's part of it as well. God is in control yet he respects the will of man. What I love is that He is a God of many chances. He may use one Christian to plant a seed and move on. Another will come along and water that same seed, and grow it. Some of the greatest stories in the Bible are about the salvation of thieves, murderers, prostitutes, idolaters, etc.
At the bolded, ITA, it really is about respecting others' opinions. It doesn't translate to agreeing or believing.
I have some experience that reflects the other side of this. It really doesn't take any effort to get rejected by a non-believer. Some people will go off on the mere mention -- whisper -- of the name "Jesus".. We all know there is power in that name. Once a person gets saved, they become the enemy to the world. Family members, friends, buddies, etc. It's all FEAR-based, IMHO.
An athiest I know enjoyed 'beefing' with Christians to always try to shut them up or get them all worked up explaining their beliefs. He would get off on that, actually, because he knows the Bible and can recite it in his sleep. He opened his mouth and told me God doesn't exist KNOWING better, because he grew up in the holiness church. Luke 12:48 is a powerful Scripture. Jesus turned over tables in the temple when he confronted those who knew better.
God is not mocked. Someone like him may think think they did something great because they made a Christian 'shut up' or back off, when the work was done by the Holy Spirit. God instructs us to dust off our feet. But woe to those of us who are compelled to speak and remain quiet!
The devil is a prowler... Just because a Christian is passionate about their Savior doesn't mean they are insincere. I'm not picking on you..but people of different faiths will always clash, until the end of time. People have different personalities and that's part of it as well. God is in control yet he respects the will of man. What I love is that He is a God of many chances. He may use one Christian to plant a seed and move on. Another will come along and water that same seed, and grow it. Some of the greatest stories in the Bible are about the salvation of thieves, murderers, prostitutes, idolaters, etc.
At the bolded, ITA, it really is about respecting others' opinions. It doesn't translate to agreeing or believing.
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